captainbob Posted July 9, 2014 Author #301 Posted July 9, 2014 Thanks Nils but I don’t think the brass comes close to yours. It's all in the camera. Thanks Pete I was starting to work on wood hoops when I remembered the admiral said black and gold so the hoops are now slices of brass tubing and the pins may be brass also. Bob Mirabell61, Omega1234, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
captainbob Posted July 26, 2014 Author #302 Posted July 26, 2014 After many hours of research, mostly in reading and re-reading the last half of Chapelle’s book on fishing schooners and many hours on the web. I finally think I know the rigging of a fishing schooner, at least the way the Lettie G. Howard will be rigged. I also decided that the saying, ‘Each part is a model’ is true. So I made a holder for the main mast. I mounted the fittings and pulled thread through the blocks to check everything. When the mast is on the boat, the thread will be replaced with rope. I will also add the shrouds at that time. So here are pictures of the main mast, boom and gaff. Relooking at the pictures I just realized I need to add fairleads, one or two on the boom and a couple at the crosstree. I have new respect for you who build the square rigged ships with all their rigging. Bob cog, mtaylor, Elia and 16 others 19 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
dgbot Posted July 26, 2014 #303 Posted July 26, 2014 Keep it up Bob. I have read Chappelle's book many times. As far as I am concerned that is the place to go for schooners. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Omega1234 Posted July 27, 2014 #304 Posted July 27, 2014 Hi CapNBob The blocks and rigging look great. This is one very beautiful model. Look forward to continuing to follow your progress. Kind regards and all the best? Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
michael mott Posted July 27, 2014 #305 Posted July 27, 2014 Bob that is a neat way to sort out the rigging I will have to remember that one. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
pete48 Posted July 27, 2014 #306 Posted July 27, 2014 Hi Bob, Nice work, the mast and rigging look Fantastic , I agree with Michael Mott, I will have to remember that one Best Regards,, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
mtaylor Posted July 27, 2014 #307 Posted July 27, 2014 I'm thinking it would be a very worthwhile way to pre-rig and 3-masted man-of-war.... Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Bedford Posted July 27, 2014 #308 Posted July 27, 2014 I'll join in on the rigging jig, nice idea. This is going to be a beauty, hope the Commodore is impressed ! Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
themadchemist Posted July 27, 2014 #309 Posted July 27, 2014 Great mock up on the Main rigging, Cap'n'Bob. I love the detail on your rig. The metal work and blocks on the peak and throat halyards are beautifully detailed and I especially love that you included the jaw clapper, which appears to be coated. (In tmc's most appreciative voice) I personally could use more pictures as you captured a lot of what I wanted to do to the DSotM's rigging. For example what did you use for parrels. Close ups of the boom, gaff and mast ends would be very much appreciated. Plus a picture of the Parrel attachment to the gaff and a top view of the throat halyard attachment to the upper gaff jaws. Sorry not trying to be bossy or demanding, just wanting more of a good thing, so I can learn. You've become a great mentor to me and I'm sure many others, that appreciate your work and fine attention to detail. Oh a close up of the boom jaws also would be great. Anyway, excellent work as always. I think maybe I've been stalling on building so I could borrow (steal) all your great rigging ideas. The double/sister block throat halyard is remarkable. Chapelles fishing Schooner book is such a great source, its rigging diagrams are what caused me to slow way down and think details. Seeing your work become reality, really has me wanting to build again. Thank Cap'n'Bob for sharing. Quote
SGraham Posted July 27, 2014 #310 Posted July 27, 2014 Bob, that mockup is a great idea. I'm not sure I've got the patience to take a step like that, which is probably why I do so much tearing apart what I've put together wrong. You've got me seriously thinking about coming over to the "dark side." Steve Quote completed models: Shenandoah (Corel) waiting on the shelf: La Sirene (Corel) Half Moon (Corel) Puritan (Mamoli) Patsy (derisively): "It's only a model." Arthur: "Sshhh."
Mirabell61 Posted July 27, 2014 #311 Posted July 27, 2014 Bob, nice Little mock up, that gives you necessary room for Trials with the block Arrangement, thread thicknesses, etc, and for all adjustments impprovements ( if any ) before you go on to the model, a good idea Nils SGraham and avsjerome2003 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
themadchemist Posted July 27, 2014 #312 Posted July 27, 2014 Oh just for reference, What size throat and peak blocks did you use? Thanks Quote
captainbob Posted July 27, 2014 Author #313 Posted July 27, 2014 Thanks to all of you who thought the rigging of the main mast separately was a good idea. To me it was a necessity. Looking at rigging the whole boat became too overwhelming. This was a way to break it down into smaller parts that I was able to handle. Nils, you’re right there were parts that were changed as I built. For one thing, on the peak halyard, I wanted to have a jig halyard coming from the top mast block but it pulled the block down too low and crossed the lines. So I left it with a single halyard. Bob Mirabell61 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
captainbob Posted July 27, 2014 Author #314 Posted July 27, 2014 Keith, this one’s for you. First, thanks for your appreciative words and wanting to know more. For the size of the blocks, the sheet blocks are 18”, the throat halyard blocks are 15” and all others are 10”. Now on to the pictures. The admiral wanted lots of gold color on the boat, so the hoops are slices of tubing. Since the boom does not travel up and down so it is captured with a simple bail. There should be a plate on top of the shelf for the boom to ride on. Pins are just splinters for now. More to follow. Bob cog, Omega1234, hexnut and 13 others 16 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
captainbob Posted July 27, 2014 Author #315 Posted July 27, 2014 Part two: Front block of the boom guy. When going down wind this would be fastened forward on the rail to prevent jibing. Aft boom guy block and upper sheet block. End of boom showing band for sail clew and topping lift rigging. I'm trying to break this up so it makes sense. More to follow. Bob canoe21, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 12 others 15 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
captainbob Posted July 27, 2014 Author #316 Posted July 27, 2014 Part three: Crosstree area. Metal work. Gaff halyard blocks are mounted with open hooks. Throat Halyard. Shackled at the top with a heart iron and at the bottom hooks into the spectacle iron. Bottom of boom showing the eye for the sail throat, also a good view of the spectacle iron. At present the parrals are just tiny beads. The end of the gaff fitting for peak of main sail, side block for the top sail clew halyard and an eye for the gaff vang. That’s it for now. If anyone wants more, just ask. Bob SGraham, Elia, shipmodel and 18 others 21 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
russ Posted July 27, 2014 #317 Posted July 27, 2014 The blocks and metal work are excellent. Very nice work. I especially like the metal work on the throat halyard. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
themadchemist Posted July 27, 2014 #318 Posted July 27, 2014 Thanks for the extra pictures Cap'n'Bob. I agree with Russ, the throat halyard is a fine piece of work. Looking at it mechanically it also appears an efficient rig as it has two halyards for drawing the gaff up into position. Quote
mtaylor Posted July 28, 2014 #319 Posted July 28, 2014 Beautiful work, Bob. I can't wait to see it moved to the Lettie. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Walter Biles Posted July 28, 2014 #320 Posted July 28, 2014 Beautiful job, Bob Glad I stopped over to get a closeup view of things. Your brass work is great. Walt Biles Quote Current: America Schooner https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/10887-america-schooner-pof-by-walter-biles-radio-pof-scale-148-from-blue-jacket-plan/ Prior: MERIDEA https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/140-meridea-by-walter-biles-radio-34-scratch-cad-of-boat-at-usn-severn-river-repair-station-ca-1969/ SAMSON First build: Scratch POF Spanish Galleon
JesseLee Posted July 28, 2014 #321 Posted July 28, 2014 Thats some pretty good brass work! Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
captainbob Posted July 28, 2014 Author #322 Posted July 28, 2014 So many are following this log and saying such nice things about my work that I would have a hard time naming you all, so let me just say thanks to all entries and likes. And to you new viewers, welcome aboard. Just a word about the brass, all blocks are stropped with .020” (1” scale) as well as hooks and most eyes. The crosstree support is .030” wire, annealed and flattened in the middle and ends. All sheet brass is .005” and cut with scissors. Now I’m off to do the same with the fore mast. Bob mtaylor, Omega1234 and JesseLee 3 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
michael mott Posted July 29, 2014 #323 Posted July 29, 2014 Excellent work and explanations Bob. One thing that I am curious about is the use of the two sets of blocks for the Gaff up-haul, was it because the weight was to much for just a triple block? Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
popeye the sailor Posted July 29, 2014 #324 Posted July 29, 2014 you gotta be careful Bob.......while mock-ups like these are a big help.......they can accidentally turn into models themselves :D I hope you made two of everything.....it looks superb! cog 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
captainbob Posted July 29, 2014 Author #325 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Michael, According to Chapelle’s book multiple blocks were needed to lift the heavy gaff and sails. Because the pull was all from one side that side would be pulled up and the jaws would cock sideways and jam against the mast. The spectacle iron and links helped the jaws to stay square. Thanks Popeye, I keep telling myself, “I will put it on the boat.” “I will put it on the boat.” “I will put it on the boat.” Bob Edited August 12, 2014 by Cap'n'Bob cog, popeye the sailor, themadchemist and 2 others 5 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
pete48 Posted July 29, 2014 #326 Posted July 29, 2014 Hi Bob, I cant wait to see it on the boat Best Regards, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
captainbob Posted July 29, 2014 Author #327 Posted July 29, 2014 Michael, I just found this picture on Keith’s, “Swift by themadchemist”. At the top you can just see the bottom of the two blocks and how one is higher than the other. They are hooked onto the spectacle iron which is also higher on one side than the other. The links, alowed to move on the round part of spectacle iron, straighten everything out so the jaws pull up square. Bob Mirabell61, druxey, Elmer Cornish and 5 others 8 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
dgbot Posted July 29, 2014 #328 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) When people are look at rigging many do not understand the why and the reason for it. Not realizing that much of it was learned through trial and error for the centruries. Your model is a case in point. Once more a nice job. David B Edited July 29, 2014 by dgbot Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
captainbob Posted July 29, 2014 Author #329 Posted July 29, 2014 Hey Pete, Looks like we were logging at the same time. It's hard for me to wait also. Maybe I should mount the main before I start the fore mast. I’ll have to consider that. David Thanks. MSW seems to be a place to spread knowledge. Just trying to do my share. Bob pete48 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
michael mott Posted July 29, 2014 #330 Posted July 29, 2014 Bob thank you for the detailed explanation. michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
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