michael mott Posted February 23, 2021 Author #2041 Posted February 23, 2021 I started my new vocation today after visiting this build log Seriously the log of the Young America by bitao7697 is stunning. I worked on the handle design for the port side cupboard had a few trials to come close to what I was after. I will start the kitchen area tomorrow once I put the needles down. Michael ccoyle, oneslim, Keith Black and 16 others 19 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Keith Black Posted February 23, 2021 #2042 Posted February 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, michael mott said: I started my new vocation today after visiting this build log Unfortunately one can't give a thumps up and a laugh emoji for the same post, Michael but your quote above is funny I don't care who you are. Your work is every bit as amazing, we're blessed to have some truly gifted artist/craftsman here in MSW of which you are one. michael mott, FriedClams, WalrusGuy and 1 other 2 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
WalrusGuy Posted February 23, 2021 #2043 Posted February 23, 2021 I agree with Keith. Both of your builds are nothing short of amazing. I always look forward to seeing the progress you and Bitao make. The handle design looks great btw!! 🙂 michael mott, Keith Black and mtaylor 2 1 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways
TBlack Posted February 23, 2021 #2044 Posted February 23, 2021 I'll second the previous 2 posts in admiration of your skills. But more importantly, you show us how it's done. Tom WalrusGuy, Keith Black, mtaylor and 2 others 4 1 Quote
michael mott Posted February 23, 2021 Author #2045 Posted February 23, 2021 Now I know why Kitchen reno's and rebuilds are so expensive. Time for a coffee break, My arms ache from all that handsawing. Michael Keith Black, Jack12477, realworkingsailor and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bob Cleek Posted February 23, 2021 #2046 Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) If I may be so bold as to presume to make another recommendation... Such grab handles would not likely be seen on any well-found seagoing vessel. All accommodation lockers require positive latching mechanisms to keep them from flying open when the vessel heels in a seaway, especially when a locker's weighty contents are thrown against the door. (Magnets, spring clips, and spring-loaded detent balls are sometimes seen on power boats, but simply won't cut it on a sailing vessel that will routinely be thrashing around at a significant angle of heel.) Given the period, these may be a finger-hole through the door with an elbow latch behind it, so the the finger can be inserted to press down on a spring-loaded latch to unlatch the door, which would latch when pushed shut, or a "button knob" which was a knob with a button in the middle which, when pressed, released the spring-loaded latch. Less complex latches were also used, such at the usual barrel bolts and sliding or swinging bars. Elbow catch for finger-hole access: Push-button knob locker latch (also available with a keyed locking mechanism. Alternate, larger wardrobe latch: Or, in keeping with your "theme," there are flush spring catches with finger ring pulls: See generally: Toplicht (Hamburg) https://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/innenbeschlaege/schnappverschluss-und-schnaepper/?p=3 and Davey and Co. (London) http://davey.co.uk/pdf/interior_fittings.pdf my favorite go-to sources for fine traditional yacht fittings (and priced like Tiffany's jewelry, unfortunately.) Edited February 23, 2021 by Bob Cleek Psyi, michael mott, EricWilliamMarshall and 3 others 5 1 Quote
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2047 Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Bob Cleek said: Such grab handles would not likely be seen on any well-found seagoing vessel. Bob, so I'm guessing that Stirling and Sons would have probably not have liked your comment. That said they could have been cleverly disguised latch handles that needed a slight twist to open them, by having the top rotate a 1/2 inch or less sort of like a lever type handle only vertical. Michael Keith Black, Psyi, Bob Cleek and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bob Cleek Posted February 24, 2021 #2048 Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, michael mott said: Bob, so I'm guessing that Stirling and Sons would have probably not have liked your comment. That said they could have been cleverly disguised latch handles that needed a slight twist to open them, by having the top rotate a 1/2 inch or less sort of like a lever type handle only vertical. Michael I'm sure I'd have driven Stirling and Sons batty if they were building her for me. I'd make sure they provided for ventilation in the locker doors as well, whether that were a decorative cut-out scroll sawed into the face of the door, a row of holes along the top edge, or a panel of bronze wire or woven cane mesh to make sure things in the locker didn't get all musty and moldy, too. True, a disguised swinging latch handle could be done, but from a stress distribution standpoint, that would probably be considered some pretty poor engineering. If one was thrown off balance by a wave while holding on to such a moveable handle, I'd expect it would be pretty easy to bend the shaft of the handle. I'd file that idea under "If it's such a good idea, how come nobody else thought of it before?" The options pictured in the Toplicht and Davey and Co. catalogs have been "state of the art" since at least the late 1800's. I've probably been aboard hundreds of fine (and not so fine) yachts over the years. I've never seen a disguised "grab and twist" locker handle. They do make one like this, though: https://www.toplicht.de/en/shop/innenbeschlaege/vorreiber-und-riegel/vorreiber/vorreiber-1 These are the sorts of details that the great designers like Nathaniel and L. Francis Herreshoff, Fife, Camper and Nicholson's, and J. Laurent Giles so enjoyed inventing, many of which became trademarks of the yachts they designed. There's a lot of room for artistic license in modeling, so go for it! It's such an amazingly beautiful build. Wouldn't it be wonderful when it's done to be able to walk into one of the premier yards with it in hand and tell them, "Build me one just like it full size!" Parenthetically, my own "dream yacht," which will forever remain just that, in this life, at least, is Giles' Dyarchy, a cutter quite similar to your model. I have copies of all Giles' original drawings and a license to build one model of her. One of these years, I hope to do so. Your build log is plowing the hard soil ahead of me! Your model's saloon reminds me of a very similar old British cutter I crewed on close to fifty years ago in a classic yacht race. As is often the case, the owners had no racing experience, and so recruited a bunch of us "young bucks" thinking we'd bring home the silver for them. As it wasn't our boat, we weren't particularly concerned about "babying" her. The owners lived aboard and, unbeknownst to us, the wife had a big bowl of soured milk covered with a dish towel out of which she was trying to make her own cheese. (I kid you not!) She'd stowed it chocked in with towels and whatever else on the pilot berth above and behind the saloon settee. As we were plowing along, we had to cross the wake of a large ship and, when we did, that bowl of curds and whey became airborne with quite a bit of velocity, flying across the saloon and coming to rest on the sole after bouncing off the base of the settee on the opposite side. It wasn't pretty, but the worst thing about for the crew was trying to keep a straight face while we continued to race along despite the cries of dismay from below! Edited February 24, 2021 by Bob Cleek EricWilliamMarshall, billocrates, mtaylor and 2 others 2 3 Quote
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2049 Posted February 24, 2021 Bob I,ll go back to this post for the inspiration for the handles. Michael Ryland Craze, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bob Cleek Posted February 24, 2021 #2050 Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, michael mott said: Bob I,ll go back to this post for the inspiration for the handles. Michael Why not? If you're faithful to the prototype, your conscience is clear. I doubt it will cost you any points in a competition, that's for sure! The judges will be so overwhelmed by the gestalt of it all, they'll never notice that the prototype accommodation was built by a kitchen cabinetmaker and not a marine joiner. Edited February 24, 2021 by Bob Cleek michael mott, mtaylor and EricWilliamMarshall 1 2 Quote
G.L. Posted February 24, 2021 #2051 Posted February 24, 2021 9 hours ago, michael mott said: Time for a coffee break, My arms ache from all that handsawing. Michael Michael, I think it's very brave how you saw through your deck and cockpit. Wintergreen, michael mott, Keith Black and 2 others 4 1 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2052 Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, G.L. said: I think it's very brave how you saw through your deck and cockpit. Or daft depending on which school of Design one subscribes to. The reason of course is that if I had known back in 2012 what I current know (a little more) I would have designed the cockpit and deck openings differently. Because this model is not of a particular vessel but a combination of ideas from the type along with the current ideas of modern yachts being built as recreational boats for the pleasure of those with deep enough pockets, but alluding to the traditional working craft of the previous centuries. Basically this model is my apprenticeship for plank on frame model boats and rigging. My next model sailboat is likely going to be a Gill Smith catboat which will be an accurate model This is my tracing of a drawing from a book. That will need to wait though I still have a few things to learn and a trip down east to see the gill smith boats that are in a museum. once all the Covid issues are sorted. The Cat boats have such a beautiful and simple rig. back in 1970's I cannot remember the year I made a half model of a cat boat from a drawing that was in a scan from an early issue of Rudder that a friend send me. The future looks exciting. Michael Keith Black, G.L., EricWilliamMarshall and 11 others 14 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Keith Black Posted February 24, 2021 #2053 Posted February 24, 2021 Michael, gorgeous half hull. FriedClams and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
WalrusGuy Posted February 24, 2021 #2054 Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, michael mott said: That's just pretty! I look forward to your catboat build! I hope to be one of the first to follow your log (if you decide to set one up), just can't wait!! 😄 I just searched it up, she looks very beautiful dvm27, EricWilliamMarshall, JpR62 and 4 others 7 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways
FlyingFish Posted February 24, 2021 #2055 Posted February 24, 2021 Tremendous work Michael; the accuracy of your work is very inspiring! Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Andy 'You're gonna need a bigger boat!' Completed Build: Orca from the film 'Jaws'. Current Build: Sailing Trawler Vigilance BM76
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2056 Posted February 24, 2021 The document I used for my tracing of Pauline's hull lines is this one. I would love to get a hard copy of this thesis. Michael Ryland Craze, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Keith Black Posted February 24, 2021 #2057 Posted February 24, 2021 Michael, I couldn't find that a hard copy of the thesis is available. This maybe something you have do yourself through FedEx Office Print & Go or Office Depot. I did come across the link below....... https://maineboats.com/print/issue-156/drawing-board-new-catboat-project mtaylor and FriedClams 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2058 Posted February 24, 2021 Keith, thanks for this information. I am guessing that the Merwin Thesis that was submitted to the Office of Graduate studies is likely not published for general distribution. I am going to open a new thread about this boat as a start so that any research materials and references can be discussed there. Michael Ryland Craze, WalrusGuy, FriedClams and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted February 24, 2021 #2059 Posted February 24, 2021 Contact Texas A & M? mtaylor, Keith Black and FriedClams 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2060 Posted February 24, 2021 Yes thanks Druxey a good idea, I will do that. All further references to the cat boat can now be posted here Michael mtaylor, Keith Black and FriedClams 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted February 26, 2021 Author #2061 Posted February 26, 2021 The rebuild of the companionway is starting to come together. The walls are a sandwich of Maple and Mahogany with an Apple cap rail. The companionway will go back to having doors like these ones. Michael EricWilliamMarshall, FriedClams, mtaylor and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bedford Posted February 26, 2021 #2062 Posted February 26, 2021 I tend to forget how big this build is and then you post a pic with a clutch pencil on the deck! mtaylor, michael mott, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
wefalck Posted February 26, 2021 #2063 Posted February 26, 2021 Would have frightened the wits out of me to cut into the impeccable previous work, but it has come out nicely - who dares, wins ! FriedClams, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 2 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
BANYAN Posted February 26, 2021 #2064 Posted February 26, 2021 You're a braver man than me 'Gunga Din' - great results though Michael - look forward to to seeing the new doors. cheers Pat FriedClams, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
michael mott Posted February 28, 2021 Author #2065 Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Thanks for the comments and likes, The are encouraging. As the work continues with the refit of the cockpit cum companionway. I needed to add enough wood to create the jams for the doors I cut up some small strips with the jewelers saw, it seems to be just as fast as setting up the table saw and wastes far less wood, and I am loath to waste Mahogany anyway. A couple of strokes with the Veritas low angle block plane on the thicknessing jig to prepare them for gluing. A stop was added after the filler pieces had been glued. I still need to add the piece across the bottom, and then I noticed that the back beam across the hatch was going to interfere with the top of the doors so out with the alcohol. Reposition the part after a bit of clean up. Now the stage it set for the doors. Yes I noticed the scratch and the misaligned screws. Michael Edited February 28, 2021 by michael mott spelling correction Jack12477, EricWilliamMarshall, dvm27 and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
BANYAN Posted February 28, 2021 #2066 Posted February 28, 2021 Ah, but that scratch adds some real authenticity Looks good Michael. cheers Pat mtaylor, Keith Black, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
michael mott Posted March 1, 2021 Author #2067 Posted March 1, 2021 Thanks Pat, and to everyone for registering a nod with the like button. I keep thinking I should have made a lot more hinges when I was making them earlier. Also one of the troubles with Cad is that it took me ages to discover what the problem was with getting an accurate drawing of the doors to the companionway. Cad is much too accurate! I was taking measurements and putting them into the drawing, and then the next measurements were conflicting, and things seemed to be mismatching. I even set up a sting datum line from stem to stern to double check the details of the cockpit and companionway, Printed out the doors cut them out and they did not fit cleanly. Went back did more and different measurements, printed it out again, another different slight mismatch. Then I discovered that the deck is 3/64ths lower on the port side than the starboard and that there is a 1/32nd parallelogram to the companionway relative to the deck. A final adjustment to the drawing "as built" Ah then it fit. Then I was able to prepare the wood for the doors. The rough elements still a lot to do shaping the panels, but at least some progress after a frustrating morning drawing. Michael Keith Black, gjdale, FriedClams and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bedford Posted March 1, 2021 #2068 Posted March 1, 2021 A master class as usual Michael but you're making me glad I don't have CAD michael mott, FriedClams, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
BANYAN Posted March 1, 2021 #2069 Posted March 1, 2021 Michael, to the eye those mismatched dimensions are not discernible, so more kudos your way in figuring all that out. Looks like you have a nice fit now. cheers Pat FriedClams, mtaylor, michael mott and 1 other 4 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
michael mott Posted March 2, 2021 Author #2070 Posted March 2, 2021 The beveled, panels looked a bit heavy so opted for a different style. I planed up some thinner panels and put a bevel into the stiles and rails. Now I need to sort out a locking mechanism. Michael vaddoc, FriedClams, Bedford and 17 others 20 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
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