HMS Victory by dafi - Heller - PLASTIC - To Victory and beyond ...

[Sailcat]

Hey dafi, checking in on some build logs after my absence - I have to say, Holy Cow!!!!   I am stunned and I also can't wait to see what happens next

[amateur]

next will presumably be destruction, of some part hitherto unknown

Give him a decade or so, and his lower deck will be better than the original.

 

Jan

[dafi]

And now some other important steps in life :-)

 

Applied a very thin layer of paint to judge the situation ...

 

 

... and realised immediately that some steps were applied a bit crooked. So taking them down carefully, reglueing and filling the gaps.

(see                                           #573                          )

 

Prepared the doorway of the port ...

 

 

 

... carved the panelling ...

 

 

... and it looks already more friendly than some days ago :-)

 

 

 

XXXDAn

[foxy]

Nice work Daniel as usual

 

 

foxy

[NAZGÛL]

Nice!

 

/Matti

[dafi]

Thank you!!!

 

Painted the side parts of the entry port, first yellow ochre ...

 

 

... added the gold ...

 

 

... starts to look quite noble :-)

 

 

Then the old question about closing the port:

 

Just for discussion: once like a gunport lid solid ...

 

 

... and once painted sailcloth on a wooden frame like the bulkheads.

 

 

Both Versions ...

 

 

... on the backside once a solid board, once as a frame, both with eyebolts to hold.

 

 

And now again the question - how was the side entry port closed?!?

 

Asked Karl Heinz Marquardt, he knows of no system, even speculates on leaving the port open. I believe there must have been something as there were sleeping hammocks just beside. As all doors or other permanent fittings were sooner or later represented in models, I guess upon a flexible solution, a board or a frame with sailcloth, logically fixed on the outside like a gunport lid but held towards the inner side by eyebolts and rope.

 

So any idea or even better proves how it was fixed ?!?

 

Cheers Daniel

 

XXXDAn

[mtaylor]

It wasn't a sliding door like those on many ship's stern galleries, was it?   I guess we'd need to access the real ship's frames (if they haven't been replaced) to find out.

[dafi]

Thank you Mark, i think there are no proves for a sliding door in this area. I had a small discussion already here:

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/333-side-entry-ports-on-british-first-and-second-rates/?hl=%2Bside+%2Bentry+%2Bport

 

And as I was on the gooooooooooooooo, the old paneling on the other side ...

 

 

... was thrown out too and replaced.

 

But as a goody ...

 

 

... I fixed the ropes to help to go aloft :-)

 

XXXDAn

Edited October 4, 2014 by dafi

[mtaylor]

I remember that discussion, Daniel.  The door for that entry port is going to haunt us until our dying days it seems.  That's a nice touch on the boarding ropes.

[willz]

there was never a door for the entry port, simply because the was never an entry port. i cant find one single painting or photo before she was restored in dry dock with one.  if anyone can find a painting or photo of victory with a entry port pre dry dock please post it

[Kevin]

lol - i never thought of the ladder ropes, dam something i now need to think off

[Kevin]

 

This artist’s impression from about 1779 shows Victory’s original appearance a few years after launch. There are some significant differences from how she looks today. The artist has described her as His Majesty’s ship Victory, a First Rate carrying 116 guns and a crew of 960. She is shown sailing by the White Cliffs of Dover.

[dafi]

The side entry port is seen on all the pictures after 1870 - just one port more aft :-)

 

Vic was planned with a side entry port of the old fashion. Until then it is widely seen in models, drafts, painings and drawings. In about 1760 it disappears on paintings (painters convention?) and also drafts (unimportant detail?) perhaps a side effect of the war of independence and others? 

 

But on the other side, the reported armament of the Vic always is one gun per side short, so one "good" gunport always was to stay empty.

 

By 1800´s the side entry port reappears in drawings and models, so it is pure speculation if or if not she was fitted with one in 1803 while the great repair. But it is a toooooo nice detail to build so I take this place of liberty :-)

 

Cheers, Daniel

[dafi]

Thank you Kevin, did not know this one. The only one of this time is the famous painting from Monamy Swain with no port, but this was the other side of the ship.

 

So this leaves the question: port or no port or just one sided? You have the choice :-)

 

XXDAn

[foxy]

Yep, boarding ropes are common on first rate ships.

 

But were unshipped at sea ie, seized .

 

So you have an option on this.

 

foxy

[dafi]

After the second side entry port here another "unfinished business": One of the 4 rows of draughtmarks was still missing.

 

After some fights with the other rows I tried  a new way ...

 

... glued the parts face down on both sided tape ...

 

 

 

.. and sprayed the back with spray glue. Then cut loose ...

 

 

... flipped up and grabbed with pliers (no tweezers!) ...

 

 

... placed it and pressed in place with some tweezers. 

 

 

Still can be moved around and be turned in peace and quiet ...

 

 

...and applied some very thin CA with a pointed wooden stick for permanent fixation. 

 

Better result than the other ones and in record time and no part flew int nirvana :-)

 

 

XXXDAn

Edited October 6, 2014 by dafi

[foxy]

Still to do this, so thanks for showing Daniel .

 

Great to see you back on deck again with your ship.

 

I have been trying to find some Information on the side ports.

 

I believe as I think you do that there must have been a cover of some sort for bad weather and in action.

 

I have seen on the real Victory, a canvas door that rolls up and seized with ropes.

 

Also it protrudes out to let any rain/water deflect back into the sea.

 

Again On the Victory there are partitions that hinge up to the beams, this also could have been the method for securing the side port entrance's.

 

Again lovely detail and thanks for showing the way.

 

Frank

[popeye the sailor]

very nice progress Daniel........the upgrades and detail really adds to the build.    those depth markers look great!

[dafi]

I proudly and honestly request the honor award medal for most useless efforts in model building ...

 

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... master of futile extra work ...

 

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... chief of rip offs and rip downs ...

 

...

 

...

 

XXXDAn

Edited October 17, 2014 by dafi

[mtaylor]

And your name will be permanently engraved on the award once Dirk finds it.

[themadchemist]

just exactly What determines a useless effort in model building.  

 

Once that award gets engraved,

it shouldn't look nice on the mantle.... wasn't that puny    

[dafi]

Slowly coming back to normal ...

 

... and immediately the question: What the hell is he building now ?!?

 

 

...hihihihihihi...

 

XXXDAn

[Kevin]

snow shoes

[dafi]

A hint:

No waterski for the hold rats either ;-)

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

And here I go again.

 

Wanted to do something easy for once ...

 

... took some sheet and made the lids for the stern ports ...

 

... rememberd not to do a rabbet on all sides ...

 

... after having done it si cured it with 05 mm x 5 mm Evergreen.

 

 

Was happy mac to finally use some of my etch parts on my own build :-)

 

Made 0,7 mm ringlets ...

 

 

... mounted them on the eyebolts, blackened them, mounted them , painted the lids ...

 

 

... fixed them on the appropriate place and put the lanyards.

 

 

And what can one already see on the picture? Break, Intermezzo, short review

 

Sometimes in spring 2011 (it was April 11., at 14.41 o´clock) I pimped my rudder ...

 

 

... but what has it to do with my actual build?

 

Ok, here we go. Nicely into the groove, I wanted to do the rudder pendants. Realised that the eyebolt to hold them - fixed somehow years ago and now hidden underneath the port lid and therefor inaccessible - and replaced it beside the port on stemwards. Fixed the pendants as seen on the Vic in P., taking care that the sweep of the rudder is not limited by it ...

 

 

... und gleich den fehlenden oberen Beschlag des oberen Fingerlings entdeckt und ergänzt.

 

 

 

One can guess, troubles were already waiting to strike!

 

If one looks close, one can see three things: Why is the pendant dragging the waters? Why is the end of the tiller pointing out that far? And why did me stupid make the rudder blade that high for that now canvas cover can be fixed ?!?

 

Questions over questions ...

 

If you look at the picture before the intermezzo, one can see already the shortened tiller - no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles - and also the rudder blade was shortened by some 5 mm - one can guess also no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles.

 

Both me and the model survived and the pendants were fixed with some freshly repositioned eyebolts as seen on contemporary models and also as described by Lee.

 

The ropes leading to the channels are not the real ones yet - those should have 11 inch (after Steel) as they should hold some things in case of emergency. By the way the same size as the buoy rope!

 

 

So are these enough hints for the question?

 

Cheers, DAniel

[davyboy]

Hello Daniel,

 

I have a question for you. How can the rudder pendants be used for emergency steering as shown ? In your photos here and the ones you posted of models (and the Victory) in the other thread all show the chains lashed to eyebolts thus preventing the chain from moving. It stands to reason that there should be ringbolts here to allow movement of the chain    Unless of course some hapless matelot was hung over the stern to cut the lashings in an emergency to allow movement and the ship to be steered   Or am I missing something  

 

Kind regards and keep up the good work

 

Dave

[JerryTodd]

When you need to use them, you cut the lashings, or unshakle them, as the case may be.  There's a section on such things in Steel (hsna.org & books.google.com)

[dafi]

Still owe you the solution of the "What the hell is this":

 

 

 

 

It is simply the wooden lock to avoid the unshipping of the rudder!

 

Here in place ...

 

 

... and as it looks too nice, the whole ensemble :-)

 

 

Cheers, Daniel

Edited October 19, 2014 by dafi

[dafi]

Please do NOT make me go red Robin!

 

Old flatterer ;-)

 

Thank you, Daniel

[dafi]

To commemorate Trafalgar Day my little display was featured on the daily german model makers blog Modelmarine :-)

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4044:linienschiff-hms-victory-1100-hellereigenbau-von-daniel-fischer&catid=491:daniel-fischer

 

*happy*

 

Cheers, Daniel