Mirabell61 Posted January 4, 2015 #61 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Tip - Joining Clamp In this small scale model, the spacing between frames is very narrow, sometimes less than 1mm, holding parts after gluing is somewhat difficult. For this, I made special clamping tool and found that it is quite useful and handy, so I introduce it to all. As can be seen at last pic, it can be made easily with paper clip and small wood block and wedge without special tools. Cheers Lee, Very nice work, I`ve looked into yours (1:64) and Christian`s build ( 1:32) several times now, and because being on the watch, highly inspirated, and gathering information on a 18th century naval cutter decided to obtain a rare "revised version" of Goodwin`s book, with a great bit of luck at Ebay, for scratch-building the cutter "Alert" in 1:48 scale with lapstrake planking. That spanning clamp you designed is a very smart little jig I like very much. Trust that many fans of your build will be watching your progress with great interest, well done so far, it is a very ambitious task in that scale, but looks wonderful Nils Edited January 9, 2015 by Mirabell61 Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jaekon Lee Posted January 5, 2015 Author #62 Posted January 5, 2015 Thank you Antony and Nils for your encouraging words and interesting. I'm learning lots of things through this building though I made many mistakes. I hope this practice makes me better for the next project. Regards Mirabell61 and Cap'n Rat Fink 2 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 6, 2015 Author #63 Posted January 6, 2015 Little progress of lower deck planking. Cheers . Leo-zd, Mirabell61, ccoyle and 10 others 13 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted January 6, 2015 #64 Posted January 6, 2015 beautiful work Lee, I`d love to see some Close ups of the floor you just did, it Looks great.... Nils Jaekon Lee, WackoWolf and AnobiumPunctatum 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jaekon Lee Posted January 7, 2015 Author #65 Posted January 7, 2015 Lower deck planking Half of lower deck (port side) has covered with plank boards and oil finished. During planking, blackened glue was used between the plank boards to simulate the calking. Treenailing was disguised by pointing with awl before oil finishing. Rao A.L.G., Mirabell61, AnobiumPunctatum and 16 others 19 Quote
mtaylor Posted January 7, 2015 #66 Posted January 7, 2015 That's beautiful, Lee. Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
michael mott Posted January 7, 2015 #67 Posted January 7, 2015 Lee I have just finished going through your build, what a beautiful job you are doing. Your workmanship is very clean and crisp, I shall continue to follow along. Michael Jaekon Lee and Mirabell61 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Mirabell61 Posted January 7, 2015 #68 Posted January 7, 2015 Lee, very nice build, also the dark Background of the photos in contrast to the wooden tones looks great Very inspiring ! Nils Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Mirabell61 Posted January 7, 2015 #69 Posted January 7, 2015 Lee, just a question, I remember you mentioned that only one hull-side will be Planked on in- and outside for leaving the Frame disposal for sight to the inside. This will be wonderful, and is completely on my wave as well......, but due to the Frames Standing quite Close this will narrow the sight very much. Do you have something arranged for a better sight inside. Will the upper deck be semi-planked, with perhaps reduced number of deckbeams or so ? Nils Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jaekon Lee Posted January 9, 2015 Author #70 Posted January 9, 2015 Thank you Nils, Mark and Michael for your generous compliments and "like"s. Nils, I stumbled on small black blanket is so effective for making contrast of model ship with my mobile phone camera. No special tech. Cap'n Rat Fink and Mirabell61 2 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 9, 2015 Author #71 Posted January 9, 2015 Question about planking line As shown in the pictures, flat lower deck plane at the midship is almost coincide with upper thick stuff plank line, however, at the fore most deck plane is far below from the line, ie., inner hull plank line seems too much curved upward at the fore section. Is it generally right or I made mistake? In Goodwin's book, he did show very little information about inner hull planking. He only commented thick stuff placed over the chock of futtock joint. So I followed that as possible as I can. AntonyUK, tadheus, harvey1847 and 3 others 6 Quote
druxey Posted January 9, 2015 #72 Posted January 9, 2015 The inner planking must end up with the deck clamps at the correct height for the weather deck, JK. Hopefully that will be the case! mtaylor and Jaekon Lee 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jaekon Lee Posted January 12, 2015 Author #73 Posted January 12, 2015 Upper deck clamp, deck hook, inner hull planking between deck clamp and thick stuff. Upper deck hook was joined directly to the stem and hawse pieces at the height of upper deck line. The deck clamps were also placed at both side of inner hull following the deck plane line. Then, inner hull between clamp and thick stuff of port side was covered with normal planking boards as was done below the thick stuff. Cheers, Lee . dgbot, Cap'n Rat Fink, Rao A.L.G. and 8 others 11 Quote
wyz Posted January 12, 2015 #74 Posted January 12, 2015 Lee Really nice job Lee. It will be fun to follow your model to completion. Jaekon Lee 1 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 12, 2015 Author #75 Posted January 12, 2015 Thank you Wyzwyk for your interest on my building log. Thank you Druxey for your kind comments on the planking line. Though the upper thick stuff lines are much curved upward, they ended just below the upper deck hook fortunately. I think the ends should be terminated at around upper breast hook to get more reasonable result. fatih79, AntonyUK, harvey1847 and 5 others 8 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 16, 2015 Author #76 Posted January 16, 2015 Upper deck beam Cambered upper deck beam were prepared by steam bending method and joined on the deck clamp temporarily. Bending was more simple than cutting curved beam, however, it is not easy keeping bending radius constantly for each beam. As can be seen on the following pics, some of beams are needed rectifying the curvature. After marking the position of carling, they will be removed for scoring recesses, attaching hanging and lodging knees and so on. Regards, Lee . archjofo, avsjerome2003, qwerty2008 and 15 others 18 Quote
Alex M Posted January 16, 2015 #77 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Hi Lee, looks very good! It's a lovely little and fine model!According to beams: I would highly recommend to cut them instead of bending. It's not soo much more work. Otherwise this can end with bad surprises later... Now it's a state where you can avoid some problems. Alex Edited January 16, 2015 by Alex M mtaylor and Jaekon Lee 2 Quote Current build: HMS Sphynx, 20 gun ship launched in 1775 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. On the drawing board: HMS Anson, 64 gun third rate ship of the line, launched in 1781 at Plymouth
AntonyUK Posted January 18, 2015 #78 Posted January 18, 2015 Hi Lee. As always you continue to produce outstanding work which amazes me. This will be a splendid model and I wonder on how someone can put so much detail into such a beautiful ship. Just outstanding. Regards Antony. Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section
Mirabell61 Posted January 18, 2015 #79 Posted January 18, 2015 Lee, excellent looking deck beams, but I`m with Alex, and would`nt take the risk of those beams remembering that were straight once, to slowly creep into that straight Position again. Suggest that you fit some pillars midships in order to safely and permanently Keep the curvature of those beams example... Nils avsjerome2003, Jeronimo, tarbrush and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jaekon Lee Posted January 19, 2015 Author #80 Posted January 19, 2015 Hi, I always appreciate your kind words and "like"s. Alex and Nils, thank you for the kind recommends about deck beam and I agree with you. At this moment, I removed all the beams from the ship and will observe closely the shape change, however, I'm not so worry about the flattening of beams because the hull wall will act as the constraint of shape change. Anyway, this is a good chance of experiment and in the next project, I may take the method of shape cutting. Regards. Lee Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 19, 2015 Author #81 Posted January 19, 2015 Treenail simulation and finishing of inner hull After removing upper deck beams, I tried treenail simulation with hypodermic syringe needle on the inner hull planking boards. It is the good place of experiment because this place will be invisible after upper deck planking. tarbrush, fatih79, AntonyUK and 11 others 14 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted January 22, 2015 Author #82 Posted January 22, 2015 Going outside of hull By the lots of joining long stuffs, she became strong enough to work on outside of hull. First, stepped and rough starboard side surface of frame was smoothened with rasp, file and scraper was used for final finishing. Port side frame surface, where the planking will be scheduled, was only finished with rasp. The main wale was prepared with 2mm thick ebony strake. They were steam bent and joined at the same height of upper deck clamp. Next step will be the planking of port side by clinker type. Cheers, Lee . EdT, fatih79, firdajan and 21 others 24 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted January 22, 2015 #83 Posted January 22, 2015 beautiful Lee, clinkered port side....., that will be a treat... Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jaekon Lee Posted February 2, 2015 Author #84 Posted February 2, 2015 Garboard Thank you Nils. Small update after long break. For the start of clinker type planking of port side, the garbord strakes were attached along the keel. Rabbet was scored at the upper side of strake to receive the plank strake above. Cheers, Lee druxey, Chuck, AnobiumPunctatum and 13 others 16 Quote
Jaekon Lee Posted February 9, 2015 Author #85 Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Progress of port side hull planking About half of port side hull has been planked up to now. It takes so many time and rework than I expected. I thought there will be a little chance of fairing of clinker type planking, I was careful on work. However, I found there are many unsatisfied area. I learn that "Do not believe the view by eye." and taking picture is much helpful to check the result. Cheers, Lee . Edited February 9, 2015 by JK Lee druxey, Mfelinger, Mike Y and 19 others 22 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted February 9, 2015 #86 Posted February 9, 2015 Good work Lee, ist going to look beautiful when the portside planking is completed Nils Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
mcpwilk Posted February 9, 2015 #87 Posted February 9, 2015 Beautiful to date. I find a clinker hull easier to plank than a carvel one.... Mike Quote
Alex M Posted February 9, 2015 #88 Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Very good planking, Lee! I find a clinker hull easier to plank than a carvel one.... How many clinked hulls you have build? Can you show us fotos? Alex Edited February 9, 2015 by Alex M Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Current build: HMS Sphynx, 20 gun ship launched in 1775 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. On the drawing board: HMS Anson, 64 gun third rate ship of the line, launched in 1781 at Plymouth
AntonyUK Posted February 10, 2015 #89 Posted February 10, 2015 Hello Lee. This is most excellent work. And your ship is looking very good. Is it possible to have a close up of the planking overlap. I am very interested in this method of planking. Many thanks Antony. Jaekon Lee 1 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section
Jaekon Lee Posted February 11, 2015 Author #90 Posted February 11, 2015 Thank you Nils, Mike, Alex and Antony for your compliment. Antony, I took pictures of planking procedure. I hope they are helpful. I usually use miniature shoulder plane to make a rabbet at the top side of strake. Cheers, Lee Dubz, fatih79, mikegerber and 13 others 16 Quote
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