Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht by Omega1234 - (18 cms long overall) - Finished

[Mirabell61]

Hi everyone

 

A quick update.  Before the rigging commences proper, I needed to add a few of the last details whilst access to the deck is still possible.  These are, the rear deck hatch (shown in the open position), the foredeck hatch to the focsle (Bob if you're reading this, I finally found the hatch!) and the life raft.  The life raft is the funny white rectangle with black lines on it which is located immediately behind the skylight on the mid-deck.  

 

Finally, on the mast, I also added the radar dome.

 

I hope you enjoy the photos.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

 

 

Patrick,

 

so many fine and amazing details in this mini scale, it realy takes some time to let the eyes wander over your pics to identify all the fitting out below deck.....

Great work

 

Nils

[IgorSky]

Hi Patrick

Another my solution

 

If you have a problem with sail's material you can try with the paper which can find in cloth or shoe boxes, not the exclusive ones with monograms, but simply ones without anything.

That paper is thin but strong and perfectly imitate sail material in small scales.

Just for indication here is my Fly fish 1/200

Hi Leo-zd,

Great advice! How could I forget about this kind of paper? How did you do the seams? It's like a thread with glue.

Best Regards!

Igor.

Edited April 5, 2015 by IgorSky

[Leo-zd]

Yep... if the sail is too small I use to put just a half of seams on one side (for ex. the 1,3,5...) and the other half on the other side (2,4,6..) as the paper is partially transparent it's ok.

[Omega1234]

Hello everyone, especially thanks to Lawrence, Nils, Leo-zd and Igor and those who hit the Like button!

 

Nils, thanks for your comments about the interior details. I really enjoyed doing it and the fact that people such as yourself and others on this Forum like it, is deeply satisfying for me.

 

Leo and Igor - thanks for the tips about the sails and sail making techniques. Your Flying Fish model is superb! I'm especially curious as how to best replicate the multi-faceted geometric panels which are so characteristic of modern racing sails such as Rainbow's (see photo below).

 

Do you think drawing them in lightly with a pencil would be ok? If not, what other advice/tips could you suggest?

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited April 5, 2015 by Omega1234

[Leo-zd]

I think so, on the simple junctions only draw the line and on the angles and on the boards attach one or more peaces in dimension of reinforcements. You can use a paper glue in stick.

[Omega1234]

Hi Leo

 

Thanks. I'll give it a go and hopefully it'll look good. The challenge will be to make the lines appear faint enough to be realistic and not too dark that they stand out too much. Trial and error, I guess!

 

Thanks once again.

 

Patrick

 

Cheers and thanks

 

Patrick

Edited April 6, 2015 by Omega1234

[michael mott]

Just catching up Patrick, the amount of detail in the model is amazing, the mast and rigging are coming together well I see.

 

Michael

[Omega1234]

Hi Michael

 

Thanks and greatly appreciated.

 

Also....Happy Birthday. 50'ish, I presume?

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[pete48]

Incredible work Patrick, she's looking great 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Leo-zd]

Me again
For lines, look in artistic shops but also in comercial centers the artistic colour pencils (I hope I wrote and explain right) thid pencils are a bit different of normal colour pencil that is in use at school, it's a bit bigger and the color substance is a bit greasy, it's  perfect for that works but also for something that plastic modellers call "dry brush" especially as this colors came in tonality of gold, bras, chrome, silver, gunmetal and similar, and in usually tonalities

[Omega1234]

Hi Leo

 

Many thanks for the info on the pencils. What colour would you think is best to use? Maybe a grey'ish colour? Black would stand out too much, I'd think?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[BenF89]

Hi Leo

 

Many thanks for the info on the pencils. What colour would you think is best to use? Maybe a grey'ish colour? Black would stand out too much, I'd think?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

 

Colored pencils may work - probably a light gray. You could also look into artist's drawing pencils. They come in different 'hardnesses' - your typical #2 office pencil is hardness 'HB'; higher letters (F, H) are harder (with increasing numeric serial indicating increasing hardness - 2H, 3H, 4H, etc), and lower letters with increasing numbers (B, 2B) are softer. HB is in the middle. 

 

The harder the graphite core, the lighter the resultant line (less graphite is deposited). So, you could get a couple of the harder variety of drawing pencils, and fake in the seams and geometry that way. And, different hardnesses = subtly different 'shades of gray' that may provide a means of getting those different shades of geometry seen in the picture. But I think you could pull it off without overpowering or 'breaking the fourth wall' of the scale, so to speak.

 

An example of a package of pencils like i'm describing can be found here: http://www.michaels.com/derwent-graphic-pencil-set-of-12-hard/10169872.html#start=29. I'm sure you can get a similar type product wherever you are located. And, you can likely buy them one-off if you only need 3 or so to get a good range of shades of gray. 

 

The other nice thing is that the harder cores stay sharp longer, so you don't need to sharpen as often. They can be made quite sharp too - sharper than you can get (operationally) with a normal pencil or colored pencil (if you make either of those that sharp, the tip crumbles and creates a mess of graphite dust (or wax, in the case of colored pencils) as soon as you touch it to paper.)

[Omega1234]

Hi Ben

Thanks for the info. I'll need to head off to the Art shops soon!

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[Piet]

Good advice by Ben.  I'm also an artist and certified draftsman, among many other things, and suggest to pick one each between 4H and 2B.  Start out with the 2H first on a pice of scrap and see how it looks.  The softer pencils can be used for extra accents whenever or wherever needed.  Just keep the points sharp.  I have used that method on both my sloop models with satisfying results.

 

If you want to try colored pencils then my choice will be Prismacolor Veithin, they are harder then the regular Prismacolor artists pencils with excellent light vastness.  A dark grey might work great.  I use these for fine detail work like hair and nerve lines in flowers and leaves.

Steadler is another good artists color pencil that holds a point quite well.   I have four different makes of artists color pencils and all are rated high in color fastness.  BTW, I am a member of the Colored Pencil Society Of America and active in a local chapter in Palm Coast, FL.

 

For a model like you are building, which is a jewel, a little patience in selecting "tools" for the sail lines is important and many trials before you can actually make the sails.  Good luck with it.

 

Cheers, 

[Omega1234]

Hi Piet

 

Many thanks for the advice. I'll go shopping this week to see what I can get.

 

Cheers and all the best

 

Patrick

Edited April 7, 2015 by Omega1234

[popeye the sailor]

gee.......you know that sparked an idea.   Leo said the paper is thin.......make two sails exactly the same size.    lay the first one on a board and with pins and thread {very small thread} ,  starting at a pinnacle at the top,  span the thread out to simulate the pleats,  over the sail.  use a spray bottle with diluted white glue and spray {atomize}over the sail and thread {lightly......not saturated}.  then lay the other sail directly over it and press with a roller of sorts {or a long enough piece of large dowel.  it will sandwich the thread between the layers and create the pleats.....puffed out a tiny bit.  if you use black thread,  it will show through the material and give you the color you desire.   you could even get away with using tracing paper,  but if not,  I guess your going to need to go on a shoe buying expedition 

 

nice........now I think we started him off on a shoe fetish   

[Omega1234]

Dennis!!!

 

That's brilliant! Now I can see how you can do what you do in super quick time, because that's really smart thinking there.

 

Thanks

 

Patrick

[popeye the sailor]

I hope it works.........I've never tried it.  Leo has a neat idea there.......I think it can be expanded on.  you go first......I'll cover you  {famous last words}   

   they would be very close to scale too!   that's the cool part 

[Omega1234]

Yep, thanks Dennis.  I'll experiment with all the methods put forward here, whilst I await Igor's sail material to arrive.  Hopefully by that time I'll have a pretty good idea what will work and what won't work  Also,  I'll have the shapes and measurements of the sails worked out.  

 

Incidentally, earlier tonight I was pondering your advice and I thought it wouldn't do any ahrm to at least make a tentative start on experimenting with the sails, etc.  So, I roughly cut out the genoa on normal A4 paper and drew in the patterns on the sail.  When I held it up against Rainbow's mast, I thought wow, that really does look good {even though it was only a temporary mock up of the sail},

 

Of course, having done that now, I really can't wait to do the final versions, incorporating as many ideas as possible from yourself, Igor, Piet and Leo and Ben.

 

Cheers and thanks

 

Patrick

Edited April 7, 2015 by Omega1234

[michael mott]

 

you go first......I'll cover you  {famous last words}

:D

 

Great ideas for the thin sails and thanks for the info on the coloured pencils Piet

 

Patrick I am looking forward to seeing how the sails turn out, something I have been holding off myself for quite some time on my little cutter.

Incidentally i was thinking about the very fine wrapping on some #36 gauge wire that I have last night, when I get out to the shop today i will measure it I think it is extremely fine.

 

Michael

[Omega1234]

 

Thanks, Michael.

 

Many thanks. I hope I can make it work. If I succeed, then, I probably won't hesitate doing sails for my future models.

 

Incidentally, the wrapping paper that you're referring to..is that for your cutter's sails? If so, I'll definitely look forward to seeing your updates.

 

All the best

 

Patrick

[michael mott]

Hi Patrick, the wrapping I was referring to was a cotton like wrapping, it had no integrity after taking it off the wire . I then looked at some polyester thread and pulled a strand out of it and it is .01 mm, I have some black polyester so tomorrow I will measure a strand from it .

 

this picture shows the strand that just slipped through the bench micrometer that is set up with 100ths of a millimeter

 

 

The colour is too light so some black thread would work well I think, and yes it would be for the rigging on the 1/500 cutter.

 

Michael

[Omega1234]

Ahhh. Okay. Thanks Michael. It's always tricky trying to find what would look good as rigging on tiny scale models, such as your cutter. It'd be good to hear what you come up with.

 

Thanks

 

Patrick

[popeye the sailor]

either that.........raid your sister's hair brush!   

[Omega1234]

Hi everyone and thanks especially for all your Advice, Likes and compliments.

 

I've progressed a little bit on the rigging (my favourite bit...not!!). The latest photos are provided below. Admittedly, the rigging looks really messy at the moment because it's all pretty much temporary. Still lots of work to go.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[captainbob]

Ah she's getting dressed up.  What a beauty she is becoming.

 

Bob

[IgorSky]

Hi Patrick,

It is cool! Bravo!

 

Best Regards!

Igor.

[Piet]

Looks about right, scale wise Patric.  I think you have nailed it.

 

Cheers,

[Omega1234]

Hi everyone, especially Piet, Bob and Igor and everyone else that 'Liked' Rainbow's progress so far.

 

Well, tonight a major milestone has been reached!  Earlier today I went to the local Art Supplies store.  I showed them all the info and advice that I received from Igor, Leo-zd, Row, Piet, Dennis, Michael, etc about the coloured pencils.  They agreed that the 6H graphite pencil was indeed the best to use for the lines and the 2B graphite was best for the shading.  I was glad and promptly bought the pencils.  I also bought some drafting film to draw the templates for the sails.

 

A short while ago, using the graphite pencils, I drew the templates of the sails onto the drafting film.  The results are shown in the photos.  Doesn't look too bad, I must admit.  

 

I'm still eagerly awaiting Igor's packing film, but in the meantime, at least I've got the temporary templates done.  I'll still experiment with Leo-zd's and Dennis' methods in the meantime. 

 

Anyhow, here're the photos of the temporary templates.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

 

 

[IgorSky]

Hi Patrick,

It already now looks excellently!

 

Best Regards!

Igor.