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Correct hitch and advice on rigging a flag needed
Blue Ensign replied to Gabek's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Gabe, I have been looking at the question of Ensign rigging myself today in connection with my own build. Here's a schematic of the arrangement on British ships that I did some time ago on a different forum. Essentially it follows the narrative answer given by Kester, hope it helps. B.E. -
Hi Glenn I recall your informative log and beautifully finished Pegasus from the old site and have Just picked up on this your current build. Vanguard is coming along very well and looks impressive; nice job on the broadside painting, and useful and relevant comments in your log, one to follow I would say. Cheers, B.E.
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Annoying but I've every confidence that it will come right in your hands Ray, if nothing else a good 'heads up' for those who follow with that particular modification. B.E.
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Great detailing John, love the look of her B.E.
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Nicely done Jason, you're so right about that serving business, it surely does slow things up and like you I find I have to do a mock up on each item to hopefully gauge the correct length to serve. So glad I invested in a serving tool, doubt I would have had the stamina to do it otherwise. Cheers, B.E.
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Your Victory looks very impressive Mike. Re the long pennant; it wasn't attached to a stay as you show it in your diagram, rather it was worn directly at the Main Mast head with the halliard passing thro' the sheaves in the trucks atop the mast. The arrangement with the triangular attachment to the hoist of the pennant seems to be to keep the hoist rigid by attaching it to a short wooden pole to which the hoist was attached to the halliard. These shot from my French Seventy-four build may assist to show what I mean. The small diameter of the masthead on my build prevented the fitting of sheaves through the masthead truck which is the proper arrangement. Hope this helps. B.E.
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Hi Grant, this is what I have: Hope these help Like your method of construction, will bear that in mind for Pegasus. M.
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I'll have a look thro' my photo collection Grant, and see if I have any shroud cleat photos whch may help to assist with scale adjustment for your Victory Cheers, M
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First class work Gary, love the finish, it looks like it could function as a stove. Well done. B.E.
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You’re welcome Brenticus and thank you for looking in and for your generous comments. The crewmen were ‘N’ scale Railway figures modified to suit. These are widely available from online sources, I recall I got most of mine off e-bay. The sheep were also ‘N’ scale from the Faller range. Re the sea base, I wanted a fairly placid effect simply as a vehicle in which to place the model, but really there is plenty of scope for artistry in sea making. Certainly in terms of a sailing ship there would not be the pronounced wake created by fast prop driven ships, and paintings are probably as good a guide as any. Here’s a link within MSW on the subject that may give you some ideas. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3952-dioramas-water-related-photos-hints-tips-and-videos/ Enjoy your Superbe when she arrives. Cheers, B.E.
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I've used that thread idea for the top chain link in the past Ray and it works just fine. If you then paint the thread matt black it fills in the lay of the line and improves the 'metal' look to the arrangemment. Cheers, B.E.
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A great mini project that Gary, the stove does look wonderful, I trust it won't be completely lost to view when fitted on the Upper Deck. B.E.
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Great job on those scuppers Bob, and a very wise decision to tackle them from both sides, simply too scary to try and drill thro' and hope the angle is correct. I'm all for faking it if it looks good. Is one of the scuppers relative to the pump dales, on Pegasus that one is slightly larger than the others. B.E.
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I would have to agree it makes no sense to cut the wale which was an important and integral strengthening of the ship. None of the Admiralty plans I have indicate such a feature, and in reality any decoration certainly on a sixth rate would have been painted on, and wouldn't have lasted very long in that position. B.E.
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Hi Grant, just to re-visit the question of Yard Tackles:- I came across this post by dvm on the Longridge Victory. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/968-hms-victory-model-by-longridge-science-museum/ You can see the yard tackles hooked into eye bolts in the channels on a couple of the photos. Cheers M.
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Impressive paint job Kriss, a great model in the making, look forward to more progress. B.E.
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Hi Mike, re the White pennant, it is the same as the Union version at the hoist - a cross of St George, the rest is plain white. About moving the Union Flag from the Jack, it was suspended from the Fore Topmast Stay, not to be confused with the Foremast Backstay, and only during the Battle. I think it would be unusual to display the Union flag in this way on a bare stick model, but obviously the choice is yours. B.E.
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That looks like a fish Davit you're fitting there Michael, is a cut out to be made on the Port side to allow for corresponding use? B.E.
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Nice job on the Great Cabin Vitus, a touch of luxuy for the Commander. Do you intend the partition and fit out the Bed Space and Coach also? Those carriages are a great improvement, I never thought the metal ones very convincing, and you will also be able to attach the necessary ironwork. B.E.
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That's bad news Grant, hope the fix holds. It's an ever present risk once the jib and tophamper are rigged. Trouble is you will always be nervous of that join throughout the rest of the build. Been there myself in the past but couldn't live with the tension and had to get the riggers in to re-do the t'gallant in the end. M.
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Hello Mike, I think I can help with the flags. Nelson was a Vice Admiral of the White, and certainly at Trafalgar Victory would have worn the White Ensign at the Gaff as you have indicated. The St George's Cross was the rank flag for a Vice Admiral of the White and was worn at the Fore topmast head. The long pennant was worn at the Main topmast head and was kept flying at all times a ship was in commission. Whether the Union Pennant as you show, or the White Pennant as applicable to Nelson, was worn is not certain, although personally I would go with a White Pennant. The Union Flag was usually only worn at the Jack staff when a ship was in harbour, and I would certainly have it at the Jack Staff on a bare stick model. At Trafalgar however, Nelson ordered all ships to suspend the jack from the Fore topmast stays, to aid identification. Hope this helps. B.E.
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What a beautiful clean deck Bob, great stuff B.E.
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