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I received my copy of this book on the 16th December,a beautifully illustrated book but as I pointed out in the `what have you received today thread' there is a factual error on page 70. Admiral Sir Cloudisley Shovell did not die on the HMS Prince George but on his flagship the HMS Association. I did send an email to Seawatch Books pointing this error out, however so far have not had the courtesy of a reply. I will however be purchasing the next volume if and when it is published. Dave
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Skylight
davyboy replied to gthursby's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Hi again gthursby, It was I think standard practice to have metal bars fitted for glass protection both on skylights and low side windows. There are many old photos on the net which show these on working sail vessels. There are some pics of how to fit bars to skylights in Mike Motts' and Nenads' build logs here in the scratch build section,the Bristol Pilot Cutter and Cutty Sark respectively. Might be of some help Also, many ships had thick round glass lights let into the deck to let some light in below. As you live in Scotland it may be worthwhile to contact the Aberdeen Maritime Museum they may be able to give you some info.The Scottish Maid was built in Aberdeen by Archibald Hall and Russell which closed down 20 odd years ago. They may have plans or a model,I know that they have the builders model of The Thermopylae which was built by the same firm,I've seen it several times as I lived in Aberdeen for 28 years. I'm a long time expat Jock. Hope this is of some help to you, Dave ps, Just a thought but I have it in my mind that they may have got most of Hall Russels' plans after the firm closed down. -
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davyboy replied to gthursby's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Hi gthursby, I'm pretty sure that the brown areas inbetween parts 122 & 123 should be glazed,it shouldn't be difficult to cut these out and fit some glazing. Artesania Latina are NOT noted for accuracy in their kits by the way. Dave -
Crackers, the red diagonal is the Irish Saltire which was added to the union flag in 1801,my date of 1805 was incorrect. My apologies for getting that date wrong. Nils has the correct flag for the time of the HMS Pegasus. Dave
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Crackers,the flag pic you have posted is incorrect for the period. Before 1805 there was no red diagonal stripe on the Ensign. Not sure but I believe White or Red depended on which command or theatre of operations the ship was in. Dave
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Yes it does as Amateur has written. In reality single shrouds were often joined together by a cut splice on either side of the masthead. Dave
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If you are fitting Burton tackles a good dodge is to incorporate the tackle pendant with the single shroud. Then you don't have to try and splice/sieze the single shrouds together. Most ships had these tackles (sometimes named masthead tackles) fitted,often not shown on kit plans. I use the forward shroud when I do this,BTW,shrouds were fitted Stbd pair first then Port and so on. Dave
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Daniel,definitely a companionway and probably a Binnacle. Dave
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I still bear the scar from a very sharp Exacto knife from 60 years ago. I was shaping one of the wings (hardwood) of a 1/72nd scale B 17g flying fortress from a kit when the knife slipped cutting me to the bone from the thumb lower joint 2/3 of the way to my wrist Fortunately no tendon damage `MORAL',never cut towards yourself. When I was working in Aviation on the repair and manufacture of Carbon fibre, GRP,Kevlar and plastic components one of my colleagues brought in a pair of "Butchers gloves"for us to use in the workshop. These were made from very finely woven stainless steel mesh,very similar to chain mail. Light weight and very useful protection when working with pneumatic power saws,grinders,cutters and very sharp blades. Dave
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Jeff, Chuck Passaros Syren Ship Model Company have black plastic hooks in sizes 3mm upwards. RHS home page among the advertisers. They look authentic,a lot easier than bending bits of wire which usually look crappy Dave
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Jim, I made my cleats from pieces of the thinner plywood leftovers from the kit. Painted the centres of the yards black so you couldn't see they were made from ply anyway I do the same as you,cut a shallow slot to glue the cleat in. For Yardarm cleats I cut a narrow slot all the way through,glue a suitable piece of wood in then cut it down to form the cleat. Much easier than trying to glue tiny wedges of wood on Dave
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Hi Apollo, In larger ships the Cable was stowed in the Cable Tier which was on the Orlop Deck. When the Cable came off the Capstan it would be led forward by crew members,passed down the hatch and stowed in the Cable Tier. It was I believe not coiled up but laid out in lines to facilitate drainage. You mention about the Jeer Capstan being used,it was in larger ships but in conjunction with the Viol and would have likely been a double Capstan. The Viol cable was similar to the messenger cable but was led aft to a very large snatch block called the Viol Block which was lashed to the foot of the Mainmast then forward,turned around the Jeer Capstan several times forward again then nipped to the Anchor cable. This was to allow proper fitting of the nippers to the Cable due to the Jeer Capstan being too close to the Hawse holes and Bitts. (Hope this makes sense ) I can recommend this book :- The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600-1815 by Brian Lavery, a mine of information. Out of print but available from online 2nd hand book dealers,several copies at the moment starting at $60 US on Abe books. No doubt can also be found on other sellers websites,maybe cheaper Kind regards, Dave
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Hi Apollo, At the time of the Revenge the anchor cable was led directly to the main capstan. The Messenger did not appear until around the 1730's replacing the Viol which had been in use for several decades. Kind regards, Dave
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Interesting article,I may well be wrong but it seems the gun barrel attached with a whacking big bolt to the sliding carriage and elevating screw are in effect a single unit. On discharge of the gun everything moves rearwards simultaneously. Cant see the elevating screw being bent bent by this although there may be a slight downward force caused by the muzzle tending to rise on firing. Of course a wedge if inserted before firing would alleviate this. Funnily enough Lavery mentions in his `Arming and Fitting' that the screw thread through the button allowed elevation/depression without the use of quoins and wedges. This happened when trunnions were superceded on carronades by the loop under the barrel. Can't see them using both. We really need a time machine Dave
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Hi Karl. In English Ships these were called Masthead or Burton tackles and pendants and were fitted on both Fore and Mainmasts They were used for moving/lifting heavy objects on/off the deck and also were used to tension the shroud lanyards. They also gave some additional support to the lower masts. I would imagine this was also the same purpose in French Ships. The pendant would have a large thimble spliced in the end which the Tackle hooked into. These were (in English Ships) rigged on the mast before the shrouds were rigged. Sorry,can't speak for French ships but they look to be underneath the shrouds on your plan I noticed on your rigging plan that there is a number 7 and 27. That appears (to me) to be another masthead tackle with a long tackle block hooked into the pendant thimble. Sorry I can only quote about English practice but hope it is of some help to you. Kind regards, Dave
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Keith,have you seen the build log of Doris for this ship in the Scratchbuild section. Her work and photography is outstanding,you may well find some useful information there. Dave
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Hi Gregor, That is a beautiful model,love your depiction of the anchor Fish Tackle. For info,The Fish Davit Beam length should be 3/10th of the ships extreme breadth according to Goodwins' Sailing Man of War. It fitted into a shoe located between the 1st and 2nd deadeyes. Regards, Dave
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Malc, The lower yards were held close to their masts with either a Truss or a Parrel,not sure which one would have been used on the Bounty. With the yard sling fitted you should have no problem with rigging the jeers as the yard will stay in place. Dave
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types of ships that sailed to Tampa and the gulf before USA
davyboy replied to figuerres's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Hi figuerres, Have a look here www.enchantedlearning.com/explorers/namerica.shtml Many names of early explorers,French,Spanish et al over a period of 200 years or so. May be of some use to you in your quest as some were in your locale. Dave -
Hi Wayne, I had both copies (one of which I sold to a forum member) which had the same content as far as I could see. Check out Abe Books using both titles,Sailing MoW is described by all booksellers therein as published by Conway. Conversely English MoW is described as PUBLISHED not distributed by Naval Institute Press. Just sayin'. Kind regards and best wishes for 2015. Dave
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Richard,The Sailing Man of War was published by Conway Maritime Press in the UK. The English Man of War was published by the Naval Institute Press in America. I rather think that was only a decision by the U.S. publisher to alter the title slightly,the contents are the same. Dave
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Hi Alan, No,they stop at the futtock stave and continue upwards only on the futtock shrouds. Dave
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Hi J.C. Frankie, I have the Conway 1985 edition Bellona and the 1987 edition Diana books. Neither has a fold out plan unfortunately. Dave
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I have heard of Tobacco Pipe cleaners being used to simulate Baggywrinkles by wrapping them around the Stays,Shrouds etc where required. Dave
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