ggrieco Posted October 3, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 3, 2015 Hello Everyone, Several years after the excavation, we think we have enough information to attempt the reconstruction model of this early steamboat. The excavation provided some wonderful information about the hull up to and including the deck and Dr. Kevin Crisman's research has provided the details of the appearance and arrangement of the upper works. I've already started on two 1:24 waterline models for the Oklahoma Historical Society. The finished models will be complete reconstructions with cutaways highlighting the machinery and other artifacts recovered during the excavation on the hull. The next couple of months I will be focusing on the engine and boilers. The research is ongoing and I'd love input from anyone interested in steamboats and steam engines. Although we have a good idea about the overall appearance and layout of the vessel, there is very little info out there about construction details, joinery etc. I would like to make these detailed and accurate as possible so any ideas that anyone has would be greatly appreciated. hexnut, Omega1234, avsjerome2003 and 36 others 39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted October 3, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 3, 2015 Welcome to the forum Glenn. This looks like a very interesting project, so I'm taking a front row seat to follow along here. wyz, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 3, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 3, 2015 Impressive start, and nice 'toolkit'. I like those western river paddle wheelers, so I'll be along for the 'ride'. Omega1234, mtaylor and wyz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted October 3, 2015 Share #4 Posted October 3, 2015 GG, Welcome aboard. I have followed a couple of Dr. Crisman's projects and actually had an opportunity to hear him speak at an SMA Conference many years ago. Maybe we can get him to speak at an upcoming NRG Conference. I am also enamored with riverboats...mostly the off-Mississippi versions of the Mississippi boats (like the Missouri boats). Currently there is an ongoing build of Steamboat Bertrand by Cathead that may be helpful to you. Omega1234, avsjerome2003 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 3, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Great start(s) to your project, Glenn! There were a lot of board feet of wood in those vessels. Edited October 3, 2015 by druxey wyz, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted October 3, 2015 Thanks Grant, Carl, and Chuck! yes, I just saw the Bertrand post and look forward to following it. I sure there will be many similarities. wyz, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted October 3, 2015 yes druxey, in the model as well. I greatly underestimated how much I would need. It looks like my material costs are going to be double! michael mott, wyz, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted October 17, 2015 Machining the engine parts so far Engine valves and flywheel flanges Paddlewheel flanges Valve cams, Sole plates for engine, buttress plates for sole plates and bearings and crossheads and packing glands for the piston Engine cylinders and feedwater pumps (minus the flanges) Geoff Matson, tadheus, Keith Simmons and 30 others 33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcmdrvr Posted October 17, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 17, 2015 Very impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 17, 2015 Lovely work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted October 18, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 18, 2015 Welcome aboard and thank you for showing us your build of Heroine. She was of such interesting design. A side wheeler with the wheels within the hull instead of outside like in later boats and a single poppet type engine, mainly used later on sternwheelers. I will gladly follow along. Bob mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted October 30, 2015 The mill has been running non-stop and I had forgotten how many pieces this engine has. i have finally gotten around to a little bit of assembly of the parts. I'm hoping to complete the engine in November and then move onto the boilers in December. The nine pieces that make up the feedwater pump The nine pieces soldered together awaiting clean-up and blackening The six pieces that make up the Starboard Flywheel The completed fdlywheel awaiting clean-up and blackening Completed flywheels for the two models. The differences in the styles of the port and starboard flywheels can be seen. Evidence of a possible repair during her life on the river. Checking the fit of the engine cylinder to the sole plate before the plate is let into the top of the cylinder timber. kvnrykvn, Bobstrake, Geoff Matson and 22 others 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted October 30, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 30, 2015 Hi ggrieco, a very impressive start to your build log. The brass parts look like they have been milled with a CNC mill is this the case? I ask because the other tools in the shop background all look like simple manual tools. Michael Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted October 30, 2015 Thanks, Michael, Yes, the TAIG cnc mill is in the other corner of the room. The Enco mill that you can see is set up as a thickness planer and I only occasionally use it on larger projects. Sometimes I feel like I'm cheating with the cnc though. druxey, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted October 30, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Nice metalwork. How did you color those parts? David B Edited October 30, 2015 by dgbot mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted October 31, 2015 Thanks David, The brass is a little discolored from soldering but it will be cleaned up and given a more even black finish with Birchwood Casey's brass black. mtaylor, druxey, Mirabell61 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriceMachine&Design Posted October 31, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 31, 2015 nice looking mill work! I wouldn't feel like your cheating using a cnc, im positive nobody complained when they first introduced a power feed on a manual mill or even further back when manual mills replaced a bunch of file work.....your just living in the present time. druxey, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted October 31, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 31, 2015 You've made an impressive start to the model. She's really going to look "the ant's pants"! John Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 31, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 31, 2015 Thanks for my smile for today, Glenn! Beautifully machined. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted October 31, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 31, 2015 That is fantastic work! How do you operate your mill? Is it CNC controlled, or do you hand crank it like the rest of us? Dimitris71, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted October 31, 2015 Share #21 Posted October 31, 2015 Hi Glenn, very interesting model and impressive metal parts as well. Will love to see when you get to mounting the steam engine and Boiler. Wish you all the best with your steam riverboat. The large scale will give you lots of space for finest details Nils mtaylor, Dimitris71 and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks PriceMachine&Design, John, druxey,Keith and Nils, I got a little sloppy with the hubs for the flywheels and didn't realize my end mill had lost a flute. I quickly jogged the x axis and reran the program after each part without inspecting the finish. It will require a little more file work before finishing. I appreciate the positive comments. Canute, Dimitris71, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris71 Posted November 1, 2015 Share #23 Posted November 1, 2015 Hello Glenn, I haven't seen a build log of a riverboat again... Like Nils said, it is a very interesting project. You are of to a great start with your build.. I will follow along if you don't mind. Kind Regards Dimitris mtaylor, Mirabell61 and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted November 1, 2015 Share #24 Posted November 1, 2015 I am in awe of the beautiful parts you have managed to fabricate with your CNC setup. This has convinced me, I need to acquire one of these for myself. If you don't mind, could you tell us what you are using? Dimitris71, Canute, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #25 Posted November 1, 2015 Hello Dimitris, I'm happy to have you along. I would love any input or suggestions you might have as well. Canute, Dimitris71 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #26 Posted November 1, 2015 Hello Keith, Thank you for your kind words. I am using a TAIG cnc mill from TAIG tools. http://www.taigtools.com/cmill.html I have two of the mills, one for home and one for the office, and it seems like they are always running. You'll find no end of uses for them. I use AutoCAD to design my parts and an old version of BobCAD to create my mill routines. If I have to create a more organic shape such as a figure, MeshLab works pretty well. The mills comes with everything you need except the design program. Canute, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted November 1, 2015 Share #27 Posted November 1, 2015 Glen: Another great model in the making. I am avidly following your posts. After hearing your presentation at the 2015 NRG Conference in St. Louis on the Heroine I was hoping you would post your work on the model here. Thanks for sharing with us. Kurt Jack12477, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #28 Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks Kurt, I had a great time at the conference and am really enjoying being back in touch again. This site is a wonderful asset to have. In the past I never had much opportunity to get on-line but I got a new iPad and it makes it so much easier to keep up with everything. I'm really looking forward to getting to know everyone. Glenn mtaylor, druxey, Dimitris71 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Not a lot of visible progress this week. I spent most of my time finishing the hull planking on the second model. I was able to start milling the sixteen bearings that will be needed for the flywheel and paddlewheel shafts. Roughing cuts on the main flywheel bearing Last few passes of the finishing cuts. Used a 10% stepover, probably should have used 5% Bearings and buttress plates before drilling the bolt holes. Bearings before being notched into cylinder timbers. The buttress plates were mounted forward and aft of both the main flywheel bearing and the engine sole plate. The sole plate, bearings and buttresses were all notched into and bolted directly to the cylinder timber and wedges were driven into the notches in the buttresses. An interesting feature of this wreck was that the buttresses were only fitted on the bearing and sole plate on the starboard side of the vessel. Kevin an I were curious to know if this was typical for steam engines. If anyone has an idea about this arrangement, we would love to hear it. Edited November 7, 2015 by ggrieco michael mott, avsjerome2003, mtaylor and 23 others 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 7, 2015 Share #30 Posted November 7, 2015 Lovely work and progress this week, as usual! Canute, Dimitris71, igorcap and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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