SkerryAmp Posted September 21, 2015 #211 Posted September 21, 2015 Great Stuff!!! BobF 1 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
BobF Posted January 23, 2016 Author #212 Posted January 23, 2016 Ever since I saw samueljr's model on this forum, I've been intrigued with the possibility of incorporating a pulley into the cap rail at the bow. Samuel's model has the bowsprit to the port side, and the pulley on the starboard side, which is also correct. Apparently, it was done both ways. It wasn't until I saw photos of two contemporary models that had the pulley on the port side that I decided to go for it. One model was rigged, and the other was not. As much as I would like to show you those photos, I thought better of it, considering the current ongoing discussion on copyrights. Once I got passed the decision to do surgery on the painted model, the modification was not that difficult. The cap rail overhang was trimmed down, and the new piece was fabricated. Contemporary models seem to indicate that these pieces were actually separate from the cap rail, so the modification did not impact the accuracy of the model. On some contemporary models, this piece feathers nicely into the cap rail edge, and on others there is a distinct slight bump at the aft end. I opted for the latter version. A closer study of the reference photos showed that the starboard side also had the same shaped piece, but no allowances were made for a pulley, since the bowsprit would have been mounted on that side. I'm currently working on that piece. BobF Ryland Craze, egkb, Mike Y and 10 others 13 Quote
JSGerson Posted January 23, 2016 #213 Posted January 23, 2016 As much as I would like to show you those photos, I thought better of it, considering the current ongoing discussion on copyrights. The discussion I saw was on the Amazing Photos Forum and in there Chuck did state that you could post a link to the site where the original photo exists. Canute, Jack12477, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild
BobF Posted January 27, 2016 Author #214 Posted January 27, 2016 JS: If you go back to my post #178, you'll see a photo of a contemporary model that happens to have the pulley at the bow. Although not quite as clear, you can also see that the starboard side seems to have the same shaped piece with no pulley. Could it have been for the sake of symmetry, or did it provide additional support for the bowsprit? BobF Canute, Stuntflyer and mtaylor 3 Quote
JSGerson Posted January 27, 2016 #215 Posted January 27, 2016 Thanks Bob, I did see that photo before but I never noticed the pulley. Stuntflyer, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild
BobF Posted January 29, 2016 Author #216 Posted January 29, 2016 Here are a few photos of the modified bow. The thole pins have also been installed. For the pins, I used small quantities of five minute epoxy to glue them in place. This gave me time to align them and make sure they were at a uniform height. BobF fatih79, Stuntflyer, tlevine and 13 others 16 Quote
Erik W Posted January 29, 2016 #217 Posted January 29, 2016 Bob, I think you win the award for cleanest longboat build! Truly. Your longboat is flawless. Erik Canute 1 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48
BobF Posted January 29, 2016 Author #218 Posted January 29, 2016 Erik, Thanks, but I'll tell you a secret. I keep the camera slightly out of focus. That hides a lot of flaws. The bow modifications will be the last kit bashing I do on this model. I get a lot of grief from my fellow club members about how long I've been working on this longboat. It's definitely time to get it in a case! BobF Erik W, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
Justin P. Posted January 29, 2016 #219 Posted January 29, 2016 It is honestly, quite beautiful to see such workmanship. Canute, BobF, Erik W and 1 other 4 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery
Erik W Posted January 29, 2016 #220 Posted January 29, 2016 Bob, Long build time = getting your money's worth! Erik BobF, dgbot, gjdale and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48
tlevine Posted January 31, 2016 #221 Posted January 31, 2016 OK, Bob, you are now on record saying no more bashing. Beautiful work. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
BobF Posted January 31, 2016 Author #222 Posted January 31, 2016 Thanks, Toni. I have to admit that I was already having second thoughts. I noticed this odd fitting at the bow. What could it be for? Hmmmm. I wonder if there is a support group for addicted kit bashers? BobF mtaylor, dgbot and Canute 3 Quote
mtaylor Posted January 31, 2016 #223 Posted January 31, 2016 I wonder if there is a support group for addicted kit bashers? BobF There is Bob. It's called MSW. dgbot, Ryland Craze, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
mpeltier Posted July 6, 2016 #224 Posted July 6, 2016 Bob how is the model coming along? I haven't seen any recent posts. Best Regards, Mike peltier mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote
BobF Posted July 8, 2016 Author #225 Posted July 8, 2016 Hi Mike, The model hasn't changed much since my last post. When I have worked on it, I've been concentrating on items off the model such as the oars and the case. I wanted to have the case ready to go when the model is finished. The case base has some features you might find interesting. I'll try to post some photos soon. Thanks for your inquiry. Regards, BobF Ryland Craze, Canute, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote
dgbot Posted July 8, 2016 #226 Posted July 8, 2016 Bob, I wish I could attend a meeting and get some great and close phots of your Longboat. I have learned a lot from watchig you build her. and envy the way you can get it so clean and neat. David B Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
BobF Posted July 8, 2016 Author #227 Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) Bob how is the model coming along? I haven't seen any recent posts. Best Regards, Mike peltier Mike: Although not the best quality, here are a few photos of the completed oars. I used a technique described by Steve Wheeler in the January/February 2009 issue of Ships in Scale. Based on contemporary long boat models, I decided to paint the oars completely red. BobF Edited July 8, 2016 by BobF kier, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 7 others 10 Quote
JSGerson Posted July 8, 2016 #228 Posted July 8, 2016 Always a pleasure to read your build log. You mentioned you "used a technique described by Steve Wheeler in the January/February 2009 issue of Ships in Scale." I bought the CD archive of Ships n Scale and thought I was in luck because it goes as recent as 2009. Unfortunately I could not find the article you referenced. I searched the keyword oars and got zip. Searching for Steve Wheeler generated a lot of articles, but nothing stood out as the article on oars. Could it be hidden in some article on a different subject with a side reference to oars? Jon mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild
BobF Posted July 8, 2016 Author #229 Posted July 8, 2016 Hi Jon, The article is featured under "Shipwright's Apprentice," pages 82 - 86 The entire piece is devoted to making oars. Hope that helps. Bob mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote
JSGerson Posted July 8, 2016 #230 Posted July 8, 2016 Got it, thank you! Canute, BobF and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild
BobF Posted July 9, 2016 Author #231 Posted July 9, 2016 Here are a few photos of the case base, which was primarily made out of cherry. I'm not sure if it really works, but I try to construct my cases so they can breathe. That's what the 1 1/2" hole in the center is for. My theory is that changes in atmospheric pressure allow some air to pass back and forth from inside the case. In order to keep dust and insects from getting inside, I mounted a filter on the underside composed of some fine material, backed up by a piece of screening. The filter was mounted with four small hex-head screws. In the future, if necessary, this will allow me to remove the filter with a nut driver without tipping the case over. Note the four triangular blocks in the corners. They elevate the base about 1/8", which allows air to pass underneath. That small gap also makes it a little easier to lift the case. Although the plastic enclosure will be sitting inside a somewhat deep groove, I'm always concerned that it could become dislodged. To prevent this, I drill a 1/16" hole at each end of the base that passes through the plastic enclosure. This will allow me to insert a brass rod about 1 3/4" long that will prevent any accidents. The dimension of the brass rod is not critical, as long as it reaches an opening in the bottom of the base. This will allow the rod to be pushed out for easy removal of the enclosure. When completely inserted, the rod is almost imperceptible from the outside. Here is a photo of a training aid that was made by a fellow club member. He is a miniaturist, so the construction is a bit on the light side. Nevertheless, it pretty much reflects how I made my base. The one big difference is the fact that my plinth is not a part of the base. I opted for a separate piece. The plinth has 1/32" spacers on the underside to allow air movement. Made out of cherry, the dark wood inlay is blood wood. The pedestals are blackened brass. Recently, I brought the base to my club meeting. One of our most senior (as in age) members happened to be sitting next to me. He was studying my base very intently, so I asked him what he thought. After a long pause, he stated that it's an awful lot of work for such a tiny model. He might be right. BobF Jack12477, Geoff Matson, mtaylor and 13 others 16 Quote
Jack12477 Posted July 9, 2016 #232 Posted July 9, 2016 Bob, great looking case and base. Thanks for the tutorial. BobF, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
JSGerson Posted July 9, 2016 #233 Posted July 9, 2016 That is some fancy display box! So now the question is: where are you going to display the model? I'm not thinking so much as in what room, but what does the box sit on to display the model? I've been wrestling with this problem in contemplation of the completion of my Rattlesnake. Jon Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution Past Builds: Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter Member: Nautical Research Guild
BobF Posted July 9, 2016 Author #234 Posted July 9, 2016 Hi Jon, Fortunately, it's not a very big case, which gives me a few options. You know, there are times when being slow has its advantages! Bob mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote
gjdale Posted July 9, 2016 #235 Posted July 9, 2016 Your base/case looks great Bob. Thanks for sharing your techniques - there's a lot to take away from your mini-tutorial. BobF, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
mpeltier Posted July 11, 2016 #236 Posted July 11, 2016 Bob, Great looking oars and base for your display. I usually don't put that much work in mine, but you have made me reconsider. Although I did build one unusual base. It was based on one I saw at a museum. It was made on a turntable so the observer could turn it to view the work of art from all sides. I incorporated a glass dome on mine to keep fingers off the model. It was a great hit, but the model was of a fully rigged armed launch at 1/8" to a foot scale so the base was only 9" in diameter and didn't take up much space to display. Best Regards and thanks for the quick response, Mike Peltier Canute, BobF and mtaylor 3 Quote
Nirvana Posted July 11, 2016 #237 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) "Recently, I brought the base to my club meeting. One of our most senior (as in age) members happened to be sitting next to me. He was studying my base very intently, so I asked him what he thought. After a long pause, he stated that it's an awful lot of work for such a tiny model. He might be right." BobF Bob, I think you should revise the size of the base, and case. The Longboat itself is not that big, so I would consider a smaller base and case. Some where out there is a relation chart between model size and case size. However, what you have accomplished with the base and more is amazing. Beautiful done! Edited July 11, 2016 by Nirvana Canute, dvm27, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
BobF Posted July 11, 2016 Author #238 Posted July 11, 2016 Per You're absolutely correct. I definitely overestimated what the case size should be. Each dimension should have been at least an inch less. Unfortunately, a lot of money was invested in the case, and I really don't want to do it over again. Thank you for the kind words. BobF Canute, mtaylor and Larry Cowden 3 Quote
Stuntflyer Posted July 11, 2016 #239 Posted July 11, 2016 Bob, Can you please tell me what the overall base dimensions are? Mike mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
BobF Posted July 12, 2016 Author #240 Posted July 12, 2016 Mike, The overall dimensions of the base are 17 1/2" X 9 1/2". The plinth measures 13 3/4" X 5 3/4". I don't like cases that crowd the model, but I probably went a little to far with this one. Bob Canute, mtaylor and Larry Cowden 3 Quote
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