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Posted

Five strakes a day is about 4 1/2 more than my patience could handle.  Those guiding marks you made adhere to your usual high standard -- and that's not a superfluous compliment, because following that curve at the stern is tricky.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Post 33

Treenail completion

So after nearly three weeks the hull treenailing is completed, having drilled several thousand holes and got thro' twelve 0.45mm drill bits.

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I still think on balance the drill and fill method is the least hard on the fingers and gives a result I am happy with.

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It doesn't look too spotty, to my eye at least.

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The next suggested stage is to add the  topside mouldings, but I am going to digress and first  move onto the inboard bulwarks.

I intend to plank inboard between the bulkheads and use this a guide to then thin them down to suit.

 

B.E.

19/08/2018

 

 

Posted

Post 34

A spot of wiping and a bit of scribing.

I had intended to start  lining the bulwarks today but  CMB have sent me 1.5 x 1.0mm strip rather than 5mm stuff I ordered, so while I wait for the correct stuff to arrive I turn my attention to scribing a pattern into the moulding strips.

Before I start  I gave the hull  the wipe-on-poly treatment to protect the surface.

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It surely does enhance the look and I am now starting to feel a little better about the hull finish.

 

So onto the moulding strips.

Looks simple enough to cut a pattern into a bit of thin metal and draw it across the strip to impart the design.

Well maybe...

I am using Boxwood strip 3/64"x 1/16" (1.19 x 1.59mm)

The first problem is the pattern is incredibly small and has to be contained within only 1.59mm width.

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I chose to use a  single edged safety razor blade as the medium, and the fine edge of a needle file to cut the simple pattern.

At this size a simple groove along the centre of the strip is about the most I can achieve, and the secret is to use light passes along the strip; press too hard and the groove goes off line.

The lower strip has a continuous run from aft of the first port to the stern and is ideally scribed in a single run.

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To avoid flexing during the process I used double sided tape to secure the strip and keep it true.

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The system seems to work.

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So this is the look with the strip temporarily secured to the hull.

I think I can live with that. 🙂

 

Cheers,

 

B.E. 21/08/2018

 

Posted

Looking very nice.   :) You are making some great progress.  Hope you are enjoying the project.

 

Chuck

Posted

Hi B.E.

 

Looking great.

And that moulded strip is made ingeniously and looks good too. If there is nothing worse you have to 'live with' you are really living very well.

 

Cheers

Peter

Posted

Catching up a bit, love the treenails and nicely done on the molding strip.  My feeling is that impression of the detail, rather than absolute accuracy, is 90% what the eye sees, and my eye likes what it sees 😊

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

Posted

Thanks Peter and Jason, the safety razor blade does make for a stable  scraper, and I'm pleased with the outcome. A simple profile but one I think that is appropriate for a humble Cutter.

 

I agree Jason, a model is more than the sum of its parts and the eye is drawn to the overall effect. The eye registers that the moulding has a profile detail, which really is sufficient at this size of model at this scale. Once completed we don't spend our time looking at it thro' a macro lens. 🙂

 

Post 35

Moving inboard - lining the bulwarks.

I am planking between the bulkhead extensions with 1.5 x 5mm Lime wood strip, and will then reduce the extensions to be flush.

I don't really trust myself to get going with the Dremel without this sort of guide.

Straightforward but tedious stuff this, measure, chop and fit, from just below deck level to bulwark top.

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The addition of this inner layer does firm up the outer  bulwark planking particularly along the top and in the stern area where the top edges may be vulnerable to splitting.

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So to start with the Dremel, I drew guide lines across the top of the bulwarks and got to work.

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The Dremel can only go so far down to the deck level so there is some chisel work to be done.

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Working at low revs  the Dremel soon reduced the excess and I went as close as I dare.

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At this stage the bulwarks have been reduced to a tad over 1.5mm (excluding the outer planking).

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Some fine adjustments and tidying up now required before I return to fixing the decorative mouldings along the topsides.

 

B.E.

24/08/2018

 

 

Posted

Post 36

Fixing the decorative mouldings.

These went on without too much trouble, but at the bow end an extension of the moulding onto the stem, referred to as 'ears', is required to be scratched.

I couldn't find a drawing of these items on the plans to use as a working template so it was a case of trial and error.

The ear extends to the fore end of the stem and is shaped to run into the fancy moulding running back to the fore side of the bow port.

The hawse plate governs the length of the ear onto the hull; I firstly drew the ear shape onto card freehand using the hawse plate length and stem width as reference points.

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 Once happy with the shape and fit, it was transferred onto 1/16th" Boxwood  sheet,(I made several copies) cut out on the jig saw, and given the final shape using scalpel and sandpaper.

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The latter stages need soft hands as the stems are quite delicate where they extend back to meet the other moulding, and I did snap one just as I neared completion.

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The last job was to scrape the profile into the outer edge.

The macro image is not very flattering.

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Positioning the ears is a little tricky, they have a slightly upwards angle as they run across the stem, it took me three goes to get them to look right to my eye.

They came off ok with water but with the high risk of snapping the tail off the 'ear'

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With the ears glued into place the lower moulding strip can be completed.

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I've yet to decide whether to paint the counter or not, I quite like the natural look, and it is a large expanse of red.

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I will leave the outer hull now for a while to concentrate on the inner works, but I will return to do a final fettlin' on the outer works before I install the false deck.

 

B.E

28/08/2108

 

Posted

Good evening BE. You're doing an excellent job there,very nice indeed. I didn't like the red counter,I painted my model in the blue colour as in the pic Chuck posted in his practicum. Fitted and rigged my Bowsprit today,lower mast tomorrow as all its standing rigging is already attached. Had to make a new Forestay deadeye,the one that came with the plans 3 years ago had the grooves for the Lanyard cut in the wrong direction. C'est la vie.

 

kind regards.

 

Dave :dancetl6:

Posted

This looks really beautiful! I always love the additional texture which treenails bring to a model. Of course treenails are also a 'little bit' of extra work ☺️

 

Thomas

Current Built:   Model Shipways  Syren  (US Brig 1803)

 

Last Built:        Anfora (kit bashed)  Ictineo II  (1st steam powered submarine 1864)

 

Posted

Cheers Dave, I have more or less decided to restrict the paintwork to the wale and inboard .

I enjoy the rigging and fitting element of a build far more than basic building stages, do you have any photo's of your progress to date?

Thanks, Bob, Thomas, and Al,  I'd almost forgotten the mind numbing hours of treenailing, but I have to admit I am quite pleased with the look. 🙂

 

Post 37

Tidying up inboard and installing the false deck.

This involves final smoothing down inside the bulwarks and fairing the deck beams prior to  getting the deck down.

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All this handling, sanding and chiseling has taken its toll on the paintwork, both the inner surfaces of the ports, and the already re-painted wales.

I will leave all red paintwork now until I line the inner bulwarks.

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I have got the thickness of the inner bulwarks close to finish.

Almost forgot the outer stern frames also need fining down.

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Using Limewood strip to check the clean run of planking along the bulwarks.

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Limewood strips also used to check the fairing of the bulkhead tops.

 

The False deck

To aid alignment of the template I fitted a length of dowel in the mast hole which also helps to hold it position. Weights were also used to keep it in position while I added Tamiya tape around the edges.

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For the false deck I am using (2) 1.5mm x 100mm sheets temporarily  held together down the centre line.

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Reference lines extended across boards.

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Transfer completed.

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Fitting the False deck; I found it useful to cut out the mast hole and Skylight opening to assist aligning the two halves.

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Trial fitting completed, a five hour job to get the fit.

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Before I install the deck I will return to the outer hull  to complete  the finish.

 

Onwards...…..

 

B.E.

30/08/2018

 

Posted

Excellent job BE!  I like the careful and methodical false deck installation. Preparation and planning makes all the difference. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Able bodied seaman, subject to the requirements of the service.

"I may very well sink, but I'm damned if I'll Strike!" JPJ

 

My Pacific Northwest Discovery Series:

On the slipways in the lumberyard

Union, 1792 - 1:48 scale - POF Scratch build

18th Century Longboat - circa 1790 as used in the PNW fur trade - FINISHED

 

Future Builds (Wish List)

Columbia Redidiva, 1787

HM Armed Tender Chatham, 1788

HMS Discovery, 1789 Captain Vancouver

Santiago, 1775 - Spanish Frigate of Explorer Bruno de Hezeta

Lady Washington, 1787 - Original Sloop Rig

 

Posted

Beautiful work B.E.  !

 

very nice handcraft work  :)

 

Nils

Current builds

-Lightship Elbe 1

Completed

- Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild

"Zeesboot"  heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB  clinker scratch build scale 1:24

Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE  ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild

Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build

Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild)
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan 

-"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96  (scratchbuild)

-"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) 

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)  original was my grandfathers ship

-"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32

under restoration / restoration finished 

"Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50

Posted

Great attention to detail B.E. I found the ears to be a bit of a challenge too, only to be surpassed by the boom holders. 

 

Ian

Posted

Good evening BE,

Very nice treenailing job there,I didn't do this as at that time my eyesight was pretty bad. Didn't think I'd be able to do a decent job. I don't have any pix of my build but when I finish I'll get the Admiral to take a couple and post them on the MSW facebook page. Have you bought all Chucks' minikits or will be you doing some scratch building of the deck furniture ? I had a great deal of pleasure making all of mine,blocks etc excluding the Windlass. I bought that with the plans,had no mill then. I laid my false deck in one piece,using epoxy after ensuring it was a good all round fit first.

 

Incidentally,the dimensions of the yards on my older plans are wrong. Chuck posted an amendment in ch.14 of his practitum giving the correct lengths. Guess who had made his yards before this :( New yards made,job done. 

  

No modelling for the next 2 weeks,we're off house sitting tomorrow for her son. Quite boring for me but they have a fairly large garden so I expect that will keep me somewhat occupied. I'll still be watching though,my Laptop goes with me,must have my daily"fix".

 

Kind regards,

 

Dave :dancetl6:

 

 

Posted

Ahoy BE!  Great looking hull -- the treenails accentuate the nice lines.  And I'll bet those ears (which I believe correspond to the cheeks on Swan builds) truly were delicate.  When I put the Fly versions in, I found I pretty much either had to laminate to avoid the weak grain or to scarph in some short pieces.  Laminating made scratching a moulding pattern tricky (and sort of sloppy looking in the end).  Your hands are obviously steadier than mine.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin (El Tremblor)

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Thanks Guys for your comments and likes. much appreciated. 🙂

@ Dave - I'm not averse to a bit of scratch building but if one of Chuck's mini marvels will do the job I am more than happy to go with that; I do have the set.

                 Thanks for the heads up on the yard dimensions, not sure yet if I am going to fully rig her (space issues) but that decision is a way off yet.

@ Martin - I do have steady hands, it's the eye sight that's my issue, but with this sort of item gentle hands are certainly required.

 

Post 38

A check around the exterior hull.

The wale has again been recoated using Admiralty Metal Black, hopefully for the last time.

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A very light sanding to the hull followed, and a further coat of wipe-on poly applied.

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The Horse shoe and Keel plates were added to complete my action on the outer hull for the present.

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Still having thoughts about the counter and whether to paint it.

The older I get the more  indecisive I seem to get! 🙄

I wonder how the real Cheerful would have been painted. Built post Trafalgar with the war grinding on, navy under pressure with patrol and blockade duties, and now in an era of austerity where elaborate decoration had given way to plain paintwork .

By 1780 the 'approved' colour for British Naval ships was Black wales, yellow painted sides, with a black ground to the topsides. Inboard Red Ochre was the order of the day, had been since 1715 but shortly after the start of the new century yellow ochre which had been used unofficially for some years became officially approved.

My own inclination is that Cheerful would have had painted yellow sides, black wales with the counter and capping rails painted black, and red inboard works throughout.

She may also have had her topsides painted black.

Cheerful was a small unrated vessel and as such I doubt  any Commander would have put his hand in pocket to 'personalise' the scheme.

In naval circles of the time to be appointed to the Cutter Service was not something to be particularly desired especially by those with ambition.

Still I am not trying to reproduce a working appearance, otherwise I would have painted or coppered her bottom and there was a fair bit of licence taken by even model makers of the day when it came to decoration.

I don't want an excess of paint to cover the natural wood but I have come to feel that the expanse of the counter did require something.

To my conservative eye Red was too much, and Blue too fancy for this small working vessel.

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I overlaid the counter with some black planks to gauge the look, and know what I like it.

So decision made black it is.

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Not particularly obvious on this shot I was also concerned that the plank lines showed thro' the paint I'm not really a fan of the solid sheet look.

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Thinned coats of Admiralty Metal Black were applied with sanding between coats.

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Moving on...………….

 

B.E.

03/09/2018

 

 

Posted

B.E. a wise and sensible choice me thinks. I would have come to a similar conclusion. Nicely done. 😁

 

 

 

Able bodied seaman, subject to the requirements of the service.

"I may very well sink, but I'm damned if I'll Strike!" JPJ

 

My Pacific Northwest Discovery Series:

On the slipways in the lumberyard

Union, 1792 - 1:48 scale - POF Scratch build

18th Century Longboat - circa 1790 as used in the PNW fur trade - FINISHED

 

Future Builds (Wish List)

Columbia Redidiva, 1787

HM Armed Tender Chatham, 1788

HMS Discovery, 1789 Captain Vancouver

Santiago, 1775 - Spanish Frigate of Explorer Bruno de Hezeta

Lady Washington, 1787 - Original Sloop Rig

 

Posted

Thank you Jim for taking an interest in my build. 🙂

I will glue the false deck first and then plank. I really don't think this build lends itself to pre planking, appealing as that may first appear, with clear access to the deck for marking and fitting.

There is the issue of the deck camber, and  getting the margin plank relationship correct, let alone accurate  cutting around the centre line fittings.

 

I think Chuck's approach is the way to go.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

Posted

Post 39

A return to the inboard - Fitting the False Deck

The False Deck has been formed as detailed in Post 37, but before fitting it is useful to mark the deck beam positions which of course don't follow the bulkheads but relate closely to the centre line fittings where in reality carlings' ledges, and framing would be involved.

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I have taken the 'beam' positions from the kit deck plan where they are marked.

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They follow fairly closely the deck beams as shown on the Admiralty plans for Cheerful.

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You will note they do not butt to the edges of the centre line fittings template marks but allow for the coamings etc.

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A final bit of tweaking to ensure both halves fitted together without buckling and that the reference lines matched.

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But before gluing into place...

One of my little foibles is that I like to have a realistic view below decks where lights or openings are concerned.

I made a small modification below the skylight to give the impression of a lower deck.

 

The bulkhead was cut away to form  false deck beams and create a space.

A false deck was fitted which was then planked over.

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I followed this up with a similar modification for the Ladder way; I am thinking of having the lid cover/doors open.

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I will probably end up also creating space beneath the gratings, I don't really like sticking them on solid board.

A short break now while I adjourn to enjoy the delights of Dorsetshire. 🙂

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William also looks like he's ready for a break from the shipyard.

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

05/09/2018

 

Posted

William show what all that work leads to.

 

Great work, BE.  That's a (characteristically) nice addition of putting in the ladderway & the lower deck.  Having a way for the eye to continue as though into a greater space is always compelling, and very much in keeping with Georgian designs.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Hi B.E.

 

I've been away and it was a pleasure catching up on your work. Well done!

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted (edited)

Nice choices B.E. I really like the black counter and your idea for the skylight. I wish I was following you!

 

Ian

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Posted

Thanks guys for the 'likes' and comments.

Thanks Martin you express my thought process exactly.

 

So back refreshed from my week in Dorsetshire.

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 Two of my non ship modelling interests in one place.

Post 40

Modifications continued

Having started with the Skylight and Ladderway, I carried on and made deck space below the Main/ Fore hatches.

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This is a completely unnecessary diversion from the plans and involves cutting out the  false deck areas which are marked as 'not to be cut out'.

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It is important to only cut to the area defined which will allow the coamings/ head ledges to still sit on the false deck.

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This will give me the option to leave the Fore hatch/ ladderway open.

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Similarly I will have the Companionway  hatch lid in the open position.

Enough messing about time to fix the false deck.

 

B.E

16/09/2018.

 

Posted

Post 41

Inboard stuff

With my lower deck mods completed the two halves of the Upper deck are glued into place using pva.

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Fairly straightforward with a touch of minor tweaking, and the use of all the kitchen weights I could get my hands on.

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Detailing of the lower deck areas comprising deck planking and board panelling will suffice for what will be seen.

 I added a painted sail cloth covering for the Commanders cabin below the Skylight, in reality probably too much of a 'luxury' for a humble cutter, but it serves the purpose of enhancing the view thro' the skylight.

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I can now move onto a not very exciting part of the build -planking the bulwarks.

A final sanding of the bulwarks and a check at the sheer of the overall width including the internal planking. The first strip of planking fits along the bulwark beneath the ports. Not much to do apart from shaping the stern end where it fits over the counter.

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Testing the fit the plank before fitting, I have temporarily sealed the deck openings to keep the dust out.

 

Cutting the planks between the ports is both testing and tedious and represented several days work.

The only area that caused me some head scratching was how to finish the internal planking at the bows.

Does the planking butt against at the internal edges of the stem or carry around and meet in the centre in front of the stem?

There is no  specific mention of this in the guide that I could find although there is one photo that suggests the planking meets a board running down the internal edge of the stem.

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However, having already fitted the planking I realised I hadn't carried it far enough into the bow which entailed removing and replacing the planks forward of the first port. Fortunately the two lowest planks below the ports  are covered by the spirketing so I left those insitu.

 

Belatedly checking the Admiralty Plan it appears that the internal planking butts against the stem sides, in front of which is the Apron (or false post).

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Belatedly checking the Admiralty Plan  This arrangement is also shown in the upper deck plan drawing in The Naval Cutter Alert by Peter Goodwin.

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Re-planked and now meeting the False post, and the spirketing covers the previous  'shortcoming'

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This phase is now complete, but there is a lot of cleaning up before some red paint is laid down.

 

B.E.

23/09/2018

 

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