cog Posted March 9, 2019 Share #391 Posted March 9, 2019 Marvelous build, RGL, another star in your collection. Again improvement on your paint, and weathering techniques. Less invading, and even more realistic, if that was at all possible. Add some B&W photographs ... I would like to see what she looks like compared tp the real "thing" Canute, popeye the sailor and Piet 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share #392 Posted March 9, 2019 Jack12477, cog, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 9, 2019 Share #393 Posted March 9, 2019 just missing the water, mate. Looking fabulous popeye the sailor, Canute, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 9, 2019 Share #394 Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Again: just the missing sailors that make the difference tothe real thing. The pic showing her in your cupboard shows how small this large ship is, and how large your skills are. The only thing against Zeppelin is that it was never finished. All models showing her weathered and with airplanes show a rather fictional world: Graf Zeppelin never was in active service nor in any war. Ended life as a Russian target-ship around 1950. Jan Edited March 9, 2019 by amateur Canute, cog, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schooner Posted March 9, 2019 Share #395 Posted March 9, 2019 Amazing job Greg! I've always shied away from trying to weather my models because I've seen so many otherwise great builds ruined by a heavy hand but you have an excellent sense of what will work - your models are the most realistic I've seen. You ought to see if the film industry is hiring for special effects model making! It was a pleasure to watch this take shape. Tim popeye the sailor, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Tim Current build: Continental Navy Frigate ALFRED (build log) Past builds: Steam Tug SEGUIN (build log in the kits 1850-1900 section) Liberty Ship SS Stephen Hopkins (Gallery & Build Log) USS Basilone (DD-824) (Gallery & Build Log) USS Olympia (Gallery) USS Kirk (FF-1087) (Gallery & Build Log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 9, 2019 Share #396 Posted March 9, 2019 Congrats on another amazing model, Greg! Piet, Canute and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcanbomber Posted March 9, 2019 Share #397 Posted March 9, 2019 Fantastic model. The weathering details are superb, you'd think it was the actual ship! Canute, mtaylor, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote First Completed Build: San Francisco (Original Version) Current build: Victory Models HMS Pegasus Cross Stitch Project (Finished): Battle Of Agamemnon and Ca Ira Cross Stitch Project : Victory & Temeraire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share #398 Posted March 10, 2019 Anyways, new photo of Seydlitz Canute, Piet, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 10, 2019 Share #399 Posted March 10, 2019 Unbelievably brilliant, Greg. A magnificent build - the complexity and detail, and of course the weathering. What an amazing result. I have to ask, though. What did you use for the nets? I'm going to need something similarly fine if I want to put boarding nettings on my Great Harry. Steven Canute, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share #400 Posted March 10, 2019 Comes with the Infini upgrade.Amazing coincidence it’s the same size as the Pontos Dreadnought upgrade. Now, there is some black netting available that I used on my HMB Endeavour (yes I can do wood as well) that I got from Cornwall Models years ago. ESF, Piet, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESF Posted March 10, 2019 Share #401 Posted March 10, 2019 I'm trying to find the words but everyone else has beat me to the superlatives. If I was part of this group build I think I'd just shelve the kit and spend my days basking in the results of your bottomless well of talent. Well done. Thank you sharing. Steve Canute, popeye the sailor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETAQDAVE Posted March 10, 2019 Share #402 Posted March 10, 2019 Just came across this ship log and am impressed by the amount of detail that can be achieved at such a small scale! I have a hard enough time struggling with 1:96 scale. Two things struck me about those photos of this ship shown with its' battle damage that really stood out.. One, is that it was still afloat after all of those hits. Did the shells explode after piercing the hull or just cut through? I would have expected much more damage if they had exploded internally. And two, how on earth did they manage to turn such a huge ship upside down in a dry dock in the first place to repair the bottom of the hull without causing more damage. (Imagine if you were to take a large structure designed to be built upright like a building and could even manage to turn it over, the thing would just collapse onto itself.) I also seem to recall that the primary turrets were held down in their casements by gravity alone and would just drop out. They must have removed major portions of the superstructure prior to inverting the ship. One more thing that seems to be lacking to me as far as those torpedo nets go, is the fact that they didn't extend to protect the bow and stern of the ship. A torpedo strike in the bow would, if nothing else, dramatically decrease her speed. Likewise, a strike in the stern could leave her without maneuverability and driving power. These unprotected areas would seem to be more critical to the ships function than a strike in the middle where her armor belt was already the heaviest. If their primary function was to protect the ship from torpedoes while at anchor rather than when underway, a full length floating torpedo net system set up alongside the anchored ship would seem to have been more effective. (Like in Pearl Harbor for instance.) Perhaps those were some of the reasons that the WWII era capital ships no longer employed torpedo nets in their design. popeye the sailor, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Dave “You’ve just got to know your limitations” Dirty Harry Current Builds: Modified MS 1/8” scale Phantom, and modified plastic/wood hybrid of Aurora 1:87 scale whaling bark Wanderer. Past Builds: (Done & sold) 1/8” scale A.J. Fisher 2 mast schooner Challenge, 1/6” scale scratch built whaler Wanderer w/ plans & fittings from A.J. Fisher, and numerous plastic kits including 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution (twice), Cutty Sark, and Mayflower. (Done & in dry dock) Modified 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution w/ wooden deck and masting [too close encounter w/conc. floor in move] Hope to get to builds: MS 3/16” scale Pride of Baltimore II, MS 1/2” scale pinky schooner Glad Tidings, a scratch build 3/16” scale Phantom, and a scratch build 3/16" scale Denis Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share #403 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) OYes, the shells were usually explosive. The photo where the ship is upside down is when it was recovered from the sea floor after it was scuttled. They subsequently cut it up for scrap. The torpedo nets, I can’t really talk to that, apart from the fact they were abandoned mid war. Edited March 10, 2019 by RGL popeye the sailor, Piet, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted March 10, 2019 Share #404 Posted March 10, 2019 Steven, try SpotLight or similar store for some fine 'tulle' - amazing how fine you can get. Sorry to hijack Greg. cheers Pat Piet, Canute, cog and 4 others 7 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted March 11, 2019 Share #405 Posted March 11, 2019 Most magnificent accomplishment Greg - BRAVO! Cheers, Canute, shipman, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 11, 2019 Share #406 Posted March 11, 2019 19 hours ago, RGL said: Comes with the Infini upgrade Thanks, Greg. Can you get the nets separately, or do you have to buy a whole lot of stuff that may never be needed (I don't expect I'll ever be making a Seydlitz)? Pat, if I can't get the netting by itself I'll probably follow your advice. Fortunately my wife knows everything about fabric! Steven. Canute, popeye the sailor and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share #407 Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) No idea, I imagine they come as a job lot. You’d have to contact Pontos or Infini directly. They are the only companies I have seen use /produce them. Edited March 11, 2019 by RGL Louie da fly, popeye the sailor and mtaylor 3 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 11, 2019 Share #408 Posted March 11, 2019 Thanks, Greg. It might be easier to just get tulle. There's a Spotlight and a Lincraft in Ballarat. Steven popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share #409 Posted March 12, 2019 Black fly screen popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Louie da fly and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 12, 2019 Share #410 Posted March 12, 2019 Hmm, it's a thought. I'll have to look how closely it approximates to the scale I need. Steven popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share #411 Posted March 12, 2019 Holes are about .3mm, but if you weather it it really shouldn’t matter. Piet, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share #412 Posted April 7, 2019 @cog @Canute where are you? popeye the sailor and Jack12477 2 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted April 7, 2019 Share #413 Posted April 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, RGL said: @cog @Canute where are you? Davy Jones' locker ???? mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted April 7, 2019 Share #414 Posted April 7, 2019 Other issues at this time. Sorry for a lack of time. RGL, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 7, 2019 Share #415 Posted April 7, 2019 Stil having back issues ... hence the stand still in all logs popeye the sailor, Jack12477, RGL and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted April 12, 2019 Share #416 Posted April 12, 2019 Simply stunning mate gives me thought to finish my Grosser Kurfurst. Picked upa PE set including nets from one of the US Pe manufacturers about 3 years ago. Could not figure out how to do the blocks on the boom ends. Your build log has given me ideas, cog, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share #417 Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Just remember the nets were dropped (unfurled) from the torpedo net shelves. Gravity did the work, The booms were then pulled out via ropes to the capstans. In reverse, the capstans pulled the booms back in, then the brails were used to pull or furl them up. You can see from the pulleys on the deck attached to the rope that runs along the deck would be used to do that via the Brails. So brail, rope, capstan. Edited April 14, 2019 by RGL Old Collingwood, mtaylor and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 27, 2019 Share #418 Posted May 27, 2019 All righty then Carl, you showed us the carrot, where is the build?? Or did Gregs talk about Bears and Roos and Sharks give you the nighttime willies? Sam Old Collingwood, Canute, cog and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 27, 2019 Share #419 Posted May 27, 2019 3 hours ago, src said: Or did Gregs talk about Bears and Roos and Sharks give you the nighttime willies? HI Sam, yes, I'm still shakin' in me boots Old Collingwood, src, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 27, 2019 Share #420 Posted May 27, 2019 Especially for Sam (so he finally starts working on his own build) ... movement registered at the yard ... Couldn't get the halves nice and flush, so I'll be filling and sanding a bit popeye the sailor, Canute, egkb and 5 others 8 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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