mtaylor Posted April 30, 2019 #271 Posted April 30, 2019 You're going to make a bunch of us followers smile with that post. Looks good from here. SHIPSCAT, src, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Ulises Victoria Posted April 30, 2019 #272 Posted April 30, 2019 Hello Jo... Good work!!! Coming along nicely!!! Best mtaylor, src, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
SHIPSCAT Posted April 30, 2019 Author #273 Posted April 30, 2019 3 hours ago, mtaylor said: You're going to make a bunch of us followers smile with that post Hello Mark Is it that bad ???. Jo. popeye the sailor and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
SHIPSCAT Posted April 30, 2019 Author #274 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Ulises Victoria said: Hello Jo... Good work!!! Coming along nicely!!! Best Hello Ulises I am trying to do my best 😥. Glued all the top planks on today, will start the lower one tomorrow. Jo. mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
Louie da fly Posted April 30, 2019 #275 Posted April 30, 2019 Looking good. Don't worry about the "dirty marks" - they can be sanded off, and as you gain more experience there'll be fewer of them. Keep up the good work. Looks like you're enjoying yourself - which is what it's all about. Steven src, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
vossiewulf Posted April 30, 2019 #276 Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, SHIPSCAT said: I am loving this planking, I can see the ship taking place now 😻. Mark was referring to this. No it's not bad src, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Building HM Cutter Lady Nelson 1:64
Ferit Posted April 30, 2019 #277 Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Hi Jo, Very nice work... Can I say something at the beginning of the build? "Maybe it is an optical illusion". The curved line on the frames is seen good at the middle and the bottom on the frames, but on the section near the top of the second frame it can be a small gap. Me, I had been wrong when I had thought that the kit provided frames are always in good shape, then learned the truth from the MSW Logs... Edited April 30, 2019 by Ferit KUTLU zappto, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
SHIPSCAT Posted April 30, 2019 Author #278 Posted April 30, 2019 12 hours ago, vossiewulf said: Mark was referring to this. No it's not bad Hi Vossiewulf I was only joking with Mark, he is a nice man like you all are. Jo. src, mtaylor and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
SHIPSCAT Posted April 30, 2019 Author #279 Posted April 30, 2019 Hello Ferit Thank you for your comment it is much appreciated. Re your first photo, the frames are curved; you have to follow the curvature of the frame and put a mark so you can glue the bottom edge of the 2x2 walnut wooden strip to, your arrow is pointing to my wrong mark I put in to the frame. The second photo, yes I have a gap, in fact I have more than one now 😫, I have to work with the tools I have got as I am new to building wooden ships and this is my first one. This is the first planking of the hull, I have to fill and sand down then second plank the hull. I will take your comments on board and learn from my mistakes, that I no doubt there will be lots more ☺️. Jo. src, cog, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
SHIPSCAT Posted April 30, 2019 Author #280 Posted April 30, 2019 Hello again shipmates. I have now finished the upper planking, this will be filled and sanded down when the lower planking has been glued in place. I am so excited in building this little IL Leudo, it's looking like a ship now. Can I blow my own trumpet, well I am going to anyway, I think she is looking shipshape (sorry about the pun). Jo. coxswain, cog, vossiewulf and 11 others 14 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
src Posted May 1, 2019 #281 Posted May 1, 2019 Nicely done Jo! Its always nice to see some progress, and dont worry about the puns, we are a very punny group here. Sam cog, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
cog Posted May 1, 2019 #282 Posted May 1, 2019 Your boat starts to look like one, very shapely. Puns are good, puns are necessary. Keep your wits about you! src, mtaylor, SHIPSCAT and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
TOM G Posted May 1, 2019 #283 Posted May 1, 2019 you are entering the phase of serious planking........ i like to plank my ships or boats, one time like they are orignally built , then stain or paint the hull. before you start planking, look over this http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/Framing_and_Planking/plankingprojectbeginners.pdf to edge bend and twist bend planks real easy go here www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/resources/ChapterchapFour.pdf TOM G Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A. popeye the sailor, SHIPSCAT and mtaylor 3 Quote
mtaylor Posted May 1, 2019 #284 Posted May 1, 2019 Nice work, Jo. John Allen, popeye the sailor and SHIPSCAT 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SHIPSCAT Posted May 2, 2019 Author #285 Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, mtaylor said: Nice work, Jo. Hello Mark. Thank you, but you have not seen the mess I have just made of the two lower planks 😥 😫. I will get over it the best I can. Jo. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
src Posted May 2, 2019 #286 Posted May 2, 2019 All is not lost Jo. Pictures!! We cant help without seeing what you are dealing with. Most likely its nothing to worry about. Sam Louie da fly, cog, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Tector Posted May 2, 2019 #287 Posted May 2, 2019 You will find that the planks will look a bit rough at first as they are being laid down. This is ok; you'll probably have a sanding and filler pass to come yet and this will erase a great many sins. That being said, it looks good so far-- planking is an enjoyable process, and you're doing great! popeye the sailor, mtaylor, SHIPSCAT and 2 others 5 Quote Under Construction HMAV Bounty, Artesania Latina, 1/48 Scale Completed 18th Century Long Boat, Model Shipways, 1/48 Scale Drift boat, scratch build, c. 1/12 Scale Bluenose, Model Shipways, 1/64 Scale
cog Posted May 2, 2019 #288 Posted May 2, 2019 Jo, Since the hull is rounded you can make one long edge on your plank angled like the drawing below. This will give you a better finish. src, SHIPSCAT and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
mtaylor Posted May 2, 2019 #289 Posted May 2, 2019 Don't feel bad, Jo. I completely trashed my first version of Licorne and I was well into the build at the time. It's all part of the learning curve. Post some pictures so we can see what's happening. popeye the sailor, src, cog and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SHIPSCAT Posted May 2, 2019 Author #290 Posted May 2, 2019 Hello all Thank you all for your advice, but sorry no photos yet, I will think about it first, I feel sooooooooooooo BAD about it all I just wish to dig a hole and fall into it. Jo . popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
johnothanswift Posted May 3, 2019 #291 Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Rule 1: DON'T PANIC. (Bonus points for getting the reference :-) ) Rule 2: Everything can be fixed. I've specifically brought a (cheap pre-built) kit which need's re decking and re planking just to get the experience of this before I build my Bounty. Rule 3: So what, It's all a learning experience. When you actually accept the above rules, it all gets much easier. The instructions for these kits are vague to say the least. They all expect that you've built them before you build this one. They require many years experience, based on trial and error for people who do not have this experience. That's the reason so many people give up. You have a great group around you to help and give their years of experience to help you learn and (NZ quote here) "Knock the bastard off" (Extra points there :-) ) Don't give up, just enjoy the build, enjoy the mistakes, enjoy the learning. Edited May 3, 2019 by johnothanswift popeye the sailor, src, cog and 2 others 5 Quote
Tector Posted May 3, 2019 #292 Posted May 3, 2019 The great thing about wood is that there are very few sins that cannot be fixed with sufficient sanding, glue and putty. And then hidden with a couple of coats of paint! mtaylor, SHIPSCAT, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Under Construction HMAV Bounty, Artesania Latina, 1/48 Scale Completed 18th Century Long Boat, Model Shipways, 1/48 Scale Drift boat, scratch build, c. 1/12 Scale Bluenose, Model Shipways, 1/64 Scale
SHIPSCAT Posted May 3, 2019 Author #293 Posted May 3, 2019 19 hours ago, Tector said: The great thing about wood is that there are very few sins that cannot be fixed with sufficient sanding, glue and putty. And then hidden with a couple of coats of paint! Hello Tector Yes lots of putty (bog) is the answer as you will see below. Jo. mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
SHIPSCAT Posted May 3, 2019 Author #294 Posted May 3, 2019 Hello shipmates Well you all asked me for some photos of my mistakes well I am now going to shame myself 😫. Sorry about the dirty glue marks. So when you have all piked yourselves off the floor, as I know you are all just killing yourselves with laughter can you tell me HOW BAD is it. Jo. coxswain, popeye the sailor, mtbediz and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
Tector Posted May 3, 2019 #295 Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) It's not bad. Everyone in this thread has been where you are at one point or another (the garboard strakes on my first build were an absolute horror show)-- gaps can be filled with putty or even stealers/slivers of wood and then smoothed out with a bit of sanding. The important thing is to allow yourself to make mistakes because they're going to be the best teachers you'll get. And if you can do that, you'll be able to look back on this model and appreciate its flaws because they made the next build better. Edited May 3, 2019 by Tector popeye the sailor, John Allen, BETAQDAVE and 4 others 7 Quote Under Construction HMAV Bounty, Artesania Latina, 1/48 Scale Completed 18th Century Long Boat, Model Shipways, 1/48 Scale Drift boat, scratch build, c. 1/12 Scale Bluenose, Model Shipways, 1/64 Scale
SHIPSCAT Posted May 4, 2019 Author #296 Posted May 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Tector said: allow yourself to make mistakes Hello Tector Thank you, I will make more mistakes, but I am not going to give up on this ship build that's for sure. Jo. mtaylor, popeye the sailor and cog 3 Quote Current Build: IL Leudo - Mamoli - 1:34 FD10 Arnanes 701 Billings scale 1:50 "Good conversations are the ones you have with people you do not know"
Louie da fly Posted May 4, 2019 #297 Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) Yes, not problem, and certainly not irretrievable. As I understand it, this is the first layer of planking, so after a bit of bog and sanding, you get a second go at it, and can make it better in light of your experience first time through. I stuffed up (in my own opinion) on my dromon planking and it didn't have a second layer so I was stuck with it. But in the long run it wasn't as bad as all that and I was able to accept it and move on, and determined to do better on the next build. Steven Edited May 4, 2019 by Louie da fly src, popeye the sailor, cog and 3 others 6 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Ulises Victoria Posted May 4, 2019 #298 Posted May 4, 2019 3 hours ago, SHIPSCAT said: Hello Tector Thank you, I will make more mistakes, but I am not going to give up on this ship build that's for sure. Jo. That's the spirit, Jo. I'm proud of you! Keep going!!!! You will never get better if you don't make and learn from your mistakes! cog, SHIPSCAT, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
mtaylor Posted May 4, 2019 #299 Posted May 4, 2019 That last photo is the key one. Looks pretty darn good. In some ways, making a model ship is like making sausage... a mess but the end result is what counts. You've done well. SHIPSCAT, cog, src and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
cog Posted May 4, 2019 #300 Posted May 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, mtaylor said: In some ways, making a model ship is like making sausage Now I know why my wooden builds went pear shaped ... SHIPSCAT, src, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
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