mtaylor Posted April 28, 2020 #121 Posted April 28, 2020 Beautiful work. Keith Black and Retired guy 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Retired guy Posted April 28, 2020 #122 Posted April 28, 2020 Yes it is beautiful work a pleasure to see 👍 Regards Richard mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64
Bitao Posted May 3, 2020 Author #123 Posted May 3, 2020 Retired guy, SJSoane, BANYAN and 22 others 25 Quote
Retired guy Posted May 3, 2020 #124 Posted May 3, 2020 Very nice build 👍 Regards Richard mtaylor, tkay11 and Keith Black 3 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64
Tony Hunt Posted May 3, 2020 #125 Posted May 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Retired guy said: Very nice build 👍 Regards Richard A masterpiece of understatement! 😀 mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote
Bitao Posted May 6, 2020 Author #126 Posted May 6, 2020 Ryland Craze, Keith Black, tkay11 and 24 others 27 Quote
yvesvidal Posted May 6, 2020 #127 Posted May 6, 2020 Too nice...way too nice. Yves Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote
JpR62 Posted May 6, 2020 #128 Posted May 6, 2020 Superb work ! All is exactly as it should be ! Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Jean-Paul 'You are not carving a bear with a chain saw here folks', Chuck Passaro, ´Queen Anne Style Barge´ manual of instructions Current builds : Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model - 1:24 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:48 Santa Maria boat 1492 - Korabel (Ukraine) - 1:24 Captain John Smith's shallop - Korabel (Ukraine) - 1:32 Finished build : Queen Anne Barge - Syren Ship Model - 1:24 Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways - 1:48 Batelina - MarisStella - 1:10 Next on list : HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Syren Ship Model - 1:48
G.L. Posted May 6, 2020 #129 Posted May 6, 2020 It looks perfect! mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24
Ryland Craze Posted May 6, 2020 #130 Posted May 6, 2020 Perfection is an understatement of you work. Truly a piece of art. Keith Black and Tony Hunt 2 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat
Jim Lad Posted May 6, 2020 #131 Posted May 6, 2020 Just catching up. Truly delightful work. John Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote
mtaylor Posted May 6, 2020 #132 Posted May 6, 2020 Just wow. The details are pure magic. druxey and Keith Black 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BANYAN Posted May 7, 2020 #133 Posted May 7, 2020 Wonderful craftsmanship; a joy to see these updates. cheers Pat mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Bitao Posted May 8, 2020 Author #134 Posted May 8, 2020 Thank you for your attention and affirmation, cheers! mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote
Bitao Posted May 8, 2020 Author #135 Posted May 8, 2020 Today's progress. tkay11, Ryland Craze, G.L. and 17 others 20 Quote
BobG Posted May 8, 2020 #136 Posted May 8, 2020 Perfection!! mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
BANYAN Posted May 9, 2020 #137 Posted May 9, 2020 HYW, I am very impressed with the quality of your work and the model, but in this instance I feel that you are reducing the overall quality of the model in not using 'studded" or stud-link chain for your cable. After making that excellent swivel link, I think the cable deserves to be studded? This chain can be sourced reasonably cheaply, but with your skills I think you can make it? The more 'learned' here may be able to offer better advice, but I think English and French (pretty much all) ships were using stud-link cable at this point? Please accept this as a very MINOR criticism/suggestion and I remain an avid onlooker of your very fine work. regards Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Bitao Posted May 9, 2020 Author #138 Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BANYAN said: HYW, I am very impressed with the quality of your work and the model, but in this instance I feel that you are reducing the overall quality of the model in not using 'studded" or stud-link chain for your cable. After making that excellent swivel link, I think the cable deserves to be studded? This chain can be sourced reasonably cheaply, but with your skills I think you can make it? The more 'learned' here may be able to offer better advice, but I think English and French (pretty much all) ships were using stud-link cable at this point? Please accept this as a very MINOR criticism/suggestion and I remain an avid onlooker of your very fine work. regards Pat Thank you for your comments and suggestions! That's all I need. After all, I've been building sailboats for less than five years, and I still have a lot to learn. I don't know much about the ship, but I only have drawings and reference photos of the winning work. Of course, I think I'll do my best, it's my ability, but it's my fault for not doing it. I think in the future only in the production process more strict can be better. I hope you can point out my shortcomings. Thanks again! mtaylor 1 Quote
Tony Hunt Posted May 9, 2020 #139 Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) Hi Pat I had the impression that stud-link chain was only used on much larger ships than this one? Looking through the pictures in Basil Greenhill's "The Merchant Schooners", I can't see any using stud link chain on their ground tackle. If you have a copy, Plate 79 has a particularly clear picture of the anchor windlass on the schooner "Result" (itself a later vessel and a fair bit larger than GEMMA) as an example. Edited May 9, 2020 by Tony Hunt tkay11, mtaylor, Colin B and 1 other 4 Quote
wefalck Posted May 9, 2020 #140 Posted May 9, 2020 I actually wondered myself a while ago, since when studded links came into use and down to what size of chain. I think one of the picture of the GREAT EASTERN from the 1850s shows huge studded links for her anchor chain, but small chains even today are not studded. I would agree, however, that the material for the links on the chain above is a bit on the thin end. mtaylor, tkay11, Tony Hunt and 1 other 4 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Tony Hunt Posted May 9, 2020 #141 Posted May 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, wefalck said: I actually wondered myself a while ago, since when studded links came into use and down to what size of chain. I think one of the picture of the GREAT EASTERN from the 1850s shows huge studded links for her anchor chain, but small chains even today are not studded. I would agree, however, that the material for the links on the chain above is a bit on the thin end. Yes, I thought the same thing. The chain in use on most of the historical photos of small craft that I've looked at tends to be smaller links and much "chunkier". Often the two adjoining links almost fill the hole formed by each link. mtaylor 1 Quote
Bitao Posted May 9, 2020 Author #142 Posted May 9, 2020 9 hours ago, BANYAN said: HYW, I am very impressed with the quality of your work and the model, but in this instance I feel that you are reducing the overall quality of the model in not using 'studded" or stud-link chain for your cable. After making that excellent swivel link, I think the cable deserves to be studded? This chain can be sourced reasonably cheaply, but with your skills I think you can make it? The more 'learned' here may be able to offer better advice, but I think English and French (pretty much all) ships were using stud-link cable at this point? Please accept this as a very MINOR criticism/suggestion and I remain an avid onlooker of your very fine work. regards Pat Hi. I read the introduction to the book today. I still don't understand that bolt. Maybe I misunderstood. I wanted to see if I could do it again. If at all possible. Can you send me a detailed picture? Thank you mtaylor 1 Quote
wefalck Posted May 9, 2020 #143 Posted May 9, 2020 Pat was referring to this kind of chain: From: http://www.cqhisea.com/m/productshow.php?cid=112&id=1123 It is common among larger ships and from the early(?) decades of the 19th on. Due to the difficulty in reproducing it, it is often neglected by modellers. There are now some apparently very good 3D-printed products on the market. However, we were discussing, whether studded chain would be really appropriate for your type of ship and period. In any case, the thickness of the material of your chain seems to be rather thin. Keith Black, mtaylor, dvm27 and 1 other 4 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Bitao Posted May 9, 2020 Author #144 Posted May 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, wefalck said: Pat was referring to this kind of chain: From: http://www.cqhisea.com/m/productshow.php?cid=112&id=1123 It is common among larger ships and from the early(?) decades of the 19th on. Due to the difficulty in reproducing it, it is often neglected by modellers. There are now some apparently very good 3D-printed products on the market. However, we were discussing, whether studded chain would be really appropriate for your type of ship and period. In any case, the thickness of the material of your chain seems to be rather thin. Wefalck, I get it! I noticed that before I did this, there are a lot of boats that have this detail. But I'm sure it's not in the drawings or the books, and the same is true of the three Italian masters I've been reading. If so, it won't be hard, but it will take some time. I love the pursuit of every detail that has accurate plotting data, and this is the highest level we can aspire to. Thank you very much for your help! There is a real difficulty in understanding different languages. mtaylor, JpR62, Colin B and 3 others 6 Quote
BANYAN Posted May 10, 2020 #145 Posted May 10, 2020 Sorry for not getting back earlier HYW; distracted with other matters. I think Tony and Wefalck have answered the questions you had. As there is not a lot of material on the subject, your model, representing a smaller vessel, may indeed had standard link cable only. Either way, you are doing a wonderful job with the build. cheers Pat mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Keith Black Posted May 10, 2020 #146 Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) The increased weight of stud-link chain (33%?) vs standard link may have been a determining factor to use or not use stud-link chain on a particular ship? Edited May 10, 2020 by Keith Black Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Bitao Posted May 10, 2020 Author #147 Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, BANYAN said: Sorry for not getting back earlier HYW; distracted with other matters. I think Tony and Wefalck have answered the questions you had. As there is not a lot of material on the subject, your model, representing a smaller vessel, may indeed had standard link cable only. Either way, you are doing a wonderful job with the build. cheers Pat Thank you for watching my production. Because I didn't know enough about something, the only thing I could do was follow the drawings, but I wanted to do as much detail as possible to make it perfect. I hope you can point out the mistakes. I don't mind. mtaylor and BANYAN 2 Quote
Bitao Posted May 10, 2020 Author #148 Posted May 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Keith Black said: The increased weight of stud-link chain (33%?) vs standard link may have been a determining factor to use or not use stud-link chain on a particular ship. I see. Thank you for your knowledge Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote
Bitao Posted May 12, 2020 Author #149 Posted May 12, 2020 I tried winding it today. It's not ideal. It needs to be adjusted. yvesvidal, JpR62, JeffT and 14 others 17 Quote
yvesvidal Posted May 12, 2020 #150 Posted May 12, 2020 This workbench looks like a High-Tech laboratory. Yves lmagna, Keith Black, KORTES and 3 others 6 Quote
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