ClipperFan Posted October 14, 2022 Share #3391 Posted October 14, 2022 Rob, I'll never tire of seeing these wonderful overall photos of your breathtakingly magnificent Clipper Ship Glory of the Seas! Vladimir_Wairoa and druxey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share #3392 Posted October 16, 2022 I’ve completed all the rigging. Just a flag or two left. I’ll prep her for more professional images a bit later. BANYAN, ScottRC, Keith Black and 7 others 7 3 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share #3393 Posted October 17, 2022 My wife has some professional photography backdrops she used when she used to do photography. I'm going to select one suited for a quality photoshoot and take some pics of her later this week. I'm stunned, that I'm finished with the rigging. I will go around her and touch up any paint and finish off any weathering details I might have overlooked. I'll also begin the planning for building her a case. Rob Tony Hunt, ScottRC and BANYAN 3 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wawona59 Posted October 17, 2022 Share #3394 Posted October 17, 2022 Rob, Your Glory of the Seas is absolutely stunning! The HO figures really add life you your model. I never tire of looking at your model photos. Did you ever consider compiling all of the build photos and narrative into a modelling book documenting your journey building the Glory of the Seas? I'd buy one and I think many other modelers would as well. Absolutely Outstanding!!! John aka Wawona59 Quote Wawona 59 John Next Project: Gifts for friends: 18th Century Pinnace, Kayak 17, Kayak 21 Indefinite Hold for the future: 1/96 Flying Fish, Model Shipways Wish list for "Seattle Connection" builds: 1/96 Lumber Schooner Wawona, 1/32 Hydroplane Slo-Mo-Shun IV, 1/96 Arthur Foss tug, 1/64 Duwamish cedar dugout canoe, 1/96 Downeaster "St. Paul" Selected Previous Completed Builds: Revell - 1/96 Thermopylae; Revell - 1/96 Cutty Sark, Revell - 1/96 Constitution, Aurora - Whaling Bark Wanderer, Model Shipways - 1/96 Phantom, AL - 1805 Pilot Boat Swift, Midwest - Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Monitor and Merrimac, Model Trailways - Doctor's Buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share #3395 Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Wawona59 said: Rob, Your Glory of the Seas is absolutely stunning! The HO figures really add life you your model. I never tire of looking at your model photos. Did you ever consider compiling all of the build photos and narrative into a modelling book documenting your journey building the Glory of the Seas? I'd buy one and I think many other modelers would as well. Absolutely Outstanding!!! John aka Wawona59 Thanks John. I have not considered it, but I believe the one to ask...because he has the aptitude and developed skill at such things is Clipperfan. His documentation of our journey in rediscovering Glory's true self was well chronicled in his paper forwarded to Nautical Research Guild for publication. However a separate documentation of this particular build would be within his skill set. I'm sure he and I could corroborate and come up with something. Rob Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted October 18, 2022 Share #3396 Posted October 18, 2022 Rob, When we originally discussed submitting a Nautical Research Journal article, I remember discussing submitting a follow up one including completion of your magificent replica. That was pending response for my first submission. However, since the editor sent receipt confirmation that it met their July 1st submission deadline, I've heard nothing since. From their publication calendars, the next issue should be December. I will reach out to see if the editor can let me know if the article might appear then, in a later issue or not at all... Meanwhile, Rob if you want we can collaborate on a 2nd follow up or do a plan for displaying your model in a local museum. As for developing an actual fully illustrated book, nothing would excite me more. Others can correct me if I exaggerate but I honestly can't think of another more thoroughly documented, examined and reconstructed vessel than McKay's Glory of the Seas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share #3397 Posted October 18, 2022 I took a bunch of pictures today. Enjoy Dave_E, Tigersteve, gak1965 and 23 others 6 20 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted October 18, 2022 Share #3398 Posted October 18, 2022 What a beauty, take a bow Rob, this is one very nice build. I hope the heat from your 'fireplace' doesn't affect the model. It has been a real pleasure following this 'tour de force'. cheers Pat Dave_E, Seahawk1313 and Keith Black 3 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted October 18, 2022 Share #3399 Posted October 18, 2022 Beautiful model, Rob. Very well done. Dave_E 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk1313 Posted October 18, 2022 Share #3400 Posted October 18, 2022 Very well done. An impressive build. I enjoyed following your research and your excellent work, - Hal Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew J. Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3401 Posted October 19, 2022 That is the most immaculately detailed and rigged model ship I’ve ever seen. I’ve just been a lurker on this log for a while, but it’s been amazing watching it come together! Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick310 Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3402 Posted October 19, 2022 Incredible Rob!! Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3403 Posted October 19, 2022 4 hours ago, BANYAN said: What a beauty, take a bow Rob, this is one very nice build. I hope the heat from your 'fireplace' doesn't affect the model. It has been a real pleasure following this 'tour de force'. cheers Pat She isn’t staying there ……just a pose I’m afraid. Thanks for the compliments. Trob Dave_E 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3404 Posted October 19, 2022 Rob, so there you have it. finally. Im beyond words, she is stunning, because of your skilled hands and so on. so proud and happy for you. last set of pictures with very fine background is just perfect. im sure even McKay himself would shed a tear of nostalgia seeing it im sure Rich is pretty satisfied as well:) she i here for so many years to come hopefully inpiring others to create a decent model etc. finally with her belly set right. for me its more than watching aside. i feel like you finalized beautifully endevour of our all etc....as mine is still half done Vlad Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snug Harbor Johnny Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3405 Posted October 19, 2022 Simply astonishing ! A couple of the low angle photos makes me think I'm standing at the mooring dock beholding the ship. Kudos, for sure! Johnny Dave_E 1 Quote Completed builds: Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3406 Posted October 19, 2022 Magnificent, Rob! Dave_E 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen McGuire Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3407 Posted October 19, 2022 A masterpiece! I have truly enjoyed the journey, Rob, watching this come to life. Dave_E 1 Quote Current builds: BlueJacket Constitution Repair & Build Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl Pirates of the Caribbean SIB Gallery: Mamoli CSS Alabama; Amati Hannah-SIB; Charles W Morgan-SIB; Aurora-SIB; Independence-SIB; Zheng He Treasure Fleet-SIB; Adventure Galley-SIB; Oseberg/Kraken-SIB; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw-SIB; Wa'a Kualua-SIB; Ghost Ship Jenny-SIB; Banshee II-SIB, Completed build logs: Alabama; Hannah; Morgan; Aurora; Independence; Zheng He Treasure Fleet; Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley; Oseberg/Kraken; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw, Wa'a Kualua, Ghost Ship Jenny; Banshee II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3408 Posted October 19, 2022 Thanks everyone, for the fine comments and compliments. It's a surreal moment actually. I moved along at a neck breaking speed and now it's all over....stopped. My focus now will be to contact the local museum and see if they are willing to display her. The novel notion is that she lived her last years here in the Tacoma/Seattle area and was probably a regular sight for those who traveled the docks. I will include all my artifacts and any other related subjects...to include(with permission) a signed copy of Michael Mjelde's books on Glory of the Seas. We'll see what comes of it. I will surely keep everyone abreast of any news. Now I will perform a good field day in the shop and do some rearanging....then I'll put Glory back on the bench and cover her in protective plastic to keep the cobb webs away. While it's determined what will be her fate. Again...thank you to everyone who contributed and encouraged me along...and to those who simply watched and enjoyed Glory of the Seas coming alive and regaining her rightful place as Donald McKay's last and probably his paramount clipper creation. Rob ScottRC, michael mott, Glen McGuire and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Ram Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3409 Posted October 19, 2022 Beautiful work Rob. I have enjoyed following along with your work. Bill Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3410 Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) Folks have been asking for a comparison shot of Glory in SanFran in 1877. The image I used as a model. Will this do? You’d think I colorized the image. Edited October 19, 2022 by rwiederrich druxey, michael mott, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 6 5 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3411 Posted October 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, rwiederrich said: Folks have been asking for a comparison shot of Glory in SanFran in 1877. The image I used as a model. Will this do? You’d think I colorized the image. Rob, that one image is simply amazing! It exceeds expectations. This proves "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that besides the obvious fact that you are indeed a hell of a model shipwright, all of our concerted efforts to correctly reinterpret all facets of McKay's last glorious Clipper have resulted in the most accurate replica conceivable! All I can say is.... wow, just wow!!!! That and it's been an honor and one of the most exciting experiences in my life to collaborate with you, Vlad, Druxey and every other member of this revolutionary enterprise! Dave_E and michael mott 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3412 Posted October 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, ClipperFan said: Rob, that one image is simply amazing! It exceeds expectations. This proves "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that besides the obvious fact that you are indeed a hell of a model shipwright, all of our concerted efforts to correctly reinterpret all facets of McKay's last glorious Clipper have resulted in the most accurate replica conceivable! All I can say is.... wow, just wow!!!! That and it's been an honor and one of the most exciting experiences in my life to collaborate with you, Vlad, Druxey and every other member of this revolutionary enterprise! I know……when I reviewed the image I just about fainted. I couldn’t stop laughing at hour nearly exact the image took. Even the background clipper was positioned correctly. I agree….this image vindicates our years of work and study. Glory is alive! Rob Dave_E, Marcus.K. and michael mott 3 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted October 19, 2022 Share #3413 Posted October 19, 2022 Superlative job, Rob! Simply spectacular. I particularly like the "cleat" base. It's a clever solution and very appropriate. I presume the helm must be in the after deckhouse. Do you know how they dealt with that? Was there a speaking tube on deck that was used to yell commands to the helmsman below? Perhaps this was discussed before and I missed it. It's just something I'd never thought about until I "walked the decks" of this wonderful model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3414 Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) I lightened up and slightly changed the angle Edited October 19, 2022 by rwiederrich ScottRC, druxey, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share #3415 Posted October 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bob Cleek said: Superlative job, Rob! Simply spectacular. I particularly like the "cleat" base. It's a clever solution and very appropriate. I presume the helm must be in the after deckhouse. Do you know how they dealt with that? Was there a speaking tube on deck that was used to yell commands to the helmsman below? Perhaps this was discussed before and I missed it. It's just something I'd never thought about until I "walked the decks" of this wonderful model. Thank very much Bob. Your praise means a lot to me. From the helm house these was a convenient stairway leading down to the large cabin and quickly to the captains cabin. Rob Bob Cleek and Dave_E 2 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted October 20, 2022 Share #3416 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Cleek said: Superlative job, Rob! Simply spectacular. I particularly like the "cleat" base. It's a clever solution and very appropriate. I presume the helm must be in the after deckhouse. Do you know how they dealt with that? Was there a speaking tube on deck that was used to yell commands to the helmsman below? Perhaps this was discussed before and I missed it. It's just something I'd never thought about until I "walked the decks" of this wonderful model. Bob Cleek, McKay's original Wheelhouse design had the ship's wheel in a recessed area in front of the wheelhouse. Effectively, the helmsman was still completely exposed to the elements in front. Back wall and two sides about 3' deep were all the protection the original design afforded. When the wheelhouse was extended to the back of the rear companionway, they had the foresight to install 4 large windows in front. Ship's wheel and helmsman's position never changed from the position on the poop deck. Big difference was now the sailor manning the helm was completely protected. Edited October 20, 2022 by ClipperFan grammar correction Dave_E, Bob Cleek and ScottRC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted October 20, 2022 Share #3417 Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, rwiederrich said: I lightened up and slightly changed the angle Rob, I like this image even better. My only issue (there always seems to be one) 😉 the background vessel needs to be raised, since it looks disturbingly like it's foundered. I realize you want to avoid it being a distraction but to me the current position looks.... unnatural. ScottRC, kirill4, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 20, 2022 Share #3418 Posted October 20, 2022 Spectacular result! Even more so given the scale. By my account slightly over two years of your concentration. Now there is a big hole in your life that needs filling? Tom Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueJacket Posted October 20, 2022 Share #3419 Posted October 20, 2022 I've been quietly following - like everyone says, simply magnificent isn't enough. Congratulations! Nic ScottRC and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share #3420 Posted October 20, 2022 14 hours ago, TBlack said: Spectacular result! Even more so given the scale. By my account slightly over two years of your concentration. Now there is a big hole in your life that needs filling? Tom Oh...I'll find something to fill the hole....its finding the right thing that fits the hole. Thanks for the fine comments. Rob ScottRC and Dave_E 2 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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