Mary Rose by Baker - scale 1/50 - "Your Noblest Shippe"

[Baker]

Fillerblocks 

 

All filler blocks are glued

Sand evenly with the angle grinder 😇

After a few minutes 

Dust, dust, dust.

Never do this indoors 😷😉

The final sanding was done by hand. 

The base for the hull is ready. With all the extra plywood and filler blocks, this is a solid base that will not warp later.

What is already noticeable is the pointed shape of the bow. I did not expect this at all from a carrack and certainly not from one of this size

[Baker]

In the meantime, i have looked at where and how wales planks keel etc.. come.
Planks (oak) in the lower part of the hull were 10 cm thick. Respect to the builders 500 years ago for getting this done

 

 

The position of the wales and decks on section 1 3 5 6 8 and 10

The stern has also been studied.  Although not proven but also not disapproved. two stern chasers will be provided

to be continued, thanks for following

[Jeff T]

1 hour ago, Baker said:

Fillerblocks 

 

All filler blocks are glued

Sand evenly with the angle grinder 😇

After a few minutes 

Dust, dust, dust.

Never do this indoors 😷😉

The final sanding was done by hand. 

The base for the hull is ready. With all the extra plywood and filler blocks, this is a solid base that will not warp later.

What is already noticeable is the pointed shape of the bow. I did not expect this at all from a carrack and certainly not from one of this size

The sanding job looks very smooth and precise.  How did you preserve the exact curves of the bulkheads when sanding down the filler blocks on each side of them (i.e. how did you avoid also sanding the bulkheads down at the same time)?

[Baker]

13 hours ago, Jeff T said:

The sanding job looks very smooth and precise.  How did you preserve the exact curves of the bulkheads when sanding down the filler blocks on each side of them (i.e. how did you avoid also sanding the bulkheads down at the same time)?

Thanks.

 

It is best to give the bulkheads a dark color. 

Then it is sanding off the excess material, except for the parts in the dark color. And regularly testing with a plank until the shape of the hull is correct

The rest is practice, experience and "fingerspitzengefühl" 

[Ab Hoving]

Great job Patrick, I like this sort of intuitive modelbuilding.

Ab

[Baker]

Thanks for the comments, much appreciated 👍

 

Determine the position of the lower wale with the laser.
The dimensions found on the sections are plotted on the hull. The laser is very useful for this purpose.

The "dummy" wale in place

With this dummy as example a line is drawn in pencil where the real wale comes later

Half a day of free time and good weather
and cherry firewood becomes cherry shipmodel wood

A first batch of different thicknesses

and a batch wood for planks, wales and keel.

Now i have to make the complex keel out of 3 pieces, each with different shapes and thicknesses 

Thanks for following

 

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

  Your progress is impressive ... This is bound to come out well.

[72Nova]

Love all your work Patrick and this will turn out to be another gem!. I wouldn't have the heart to burn cherry wood, glad to see you're making great use of it👍

 

Michael D.

[md1400cs]

Patrick --- Just catching up - as always your research is top notch 👏

 

Regards,

[mtaylor]

Nice work and good looking wood.   Are you saving the small off cuts?  If so, to use in the fireplace, soak in water for several hours and then toss them on once the fire starts making the red coals.   You'll get a very nice smell.

[Baker]

13 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

  Your progress is impressive ... This is bound to come out well.

thank you,  with time and patience this will one day become a model 

 

13 hours ago, 72Nova said:

Love all your work Patrick and this will turn out to be another gem!. I wouldn't have the heart to burn cherry wood, glad to see you're making great use of it👍

 

Michael D.

Thanks, this is verry good wood for model making. Not too hard, not too soft, and bends fairly easily

 

8 hours ago, md1400cs said:

Patrick --- Just catching up - as always your research is top notch 👏

 

Regards,

Thank you Michael

 

6 hours ago, mtaylor said:

Nice work and good looking wood.   Are you saving the small off cuts?  If so, to use in the fireplace, soak in water for several hours and then toss them on once the fire starts making the red coals.   You'll get a very nice smell.

Good idea
But I'm going to recycle all of this nice wood.

A ecologically built ship model 😉 and all other wood into the stove  😇.

[Baker]

The keel,

 

The keel consists of 3 parts. The front and back part are made of elm, the center part is made of oak like the rest of the planking.
So my center piece is made of cherry, the others are made of ramin (the last leftovers from my previous project).

At the front and rear there is a groove for "stealers" that are intended as a filler between the keel and the garboard.

preparation for the sternpieces

The first piece of the stern

Then the keel is glued

And the second piece of the stern is also glued.

This piece is now way too long. Shorten it later is always easier than lengthening 😉

The scarf between keel and stempost did not survive time.
So there is some space for a "free design"

scarfs in the keel

Bringing the keel and stempost into the right shape will be done later when the planking is sanded.

 

Next to do,  the stern assembly.

Thanks for following

[Baker]

The stern assembly

 

The intention is to achieve this

The plywood needs plastic surgery 😉

Glue the first part

second part

and the final last parts

The keel is adjusted.

And, it looks like on the drawing 👍

 

 

[Baker]

Planking (from keel to first wale)

 

Plank dimensions 

Thickness : 9,4 to 10,5 cm (yes, about 4 inches).

width  : 23 to 47 cm.
length : 1,47 to 9 m.

 

Wale dimensions

thickness : about the thicknes of a plank + 11 cm.

length 3.25 to 13.8 m.

scarfs between 2 wales 71 to 180 cm.

shape :  see further in this post.... 

 

Planking diagram

green color : the 2 stealers in front and back

Red color : A very wide plank at the bottom of the bow. I'm going to replace it with a less wide one, otherwise I could get into trouble

Bleu color : to be studied later.

Construction of the wales.

For some reason they gave them a rather illogical shape. 

 

I made a scraper in the desired shape

method : clamp the wood to a flat plate

hold the scraper at an angle to rough shape

finish with the scraper at 90°

result

The cherry wood bends easily

After drying it is glued to the hull

Planking is also started

assistant is supervising 

Thanks for following

[Jeff T]

That’s a nice way to do the irregular shape of the wales without compromising by using an easier method (i.e. simple strip of wood).

[Baker]

Thanks Jeff
But it would be nice to know why they used this specific shape for the wales.
totally illogical in my opinion.

[Baker]

Planking the lower hull, progress.
I'm kind of slow in planking, the idea is to do an update on this about every 2 weeks.

 

made an extra batch of planks.

Planking

transom

16th century planking is something like ordered chaos (my idea). that's why there are pencil lines and notes all over the hull

and sometimes things go wrong 

a pencil line is drawn

a simple but effective solution 

problem solved, the next plank will fit

Current status ( ps, the wale is not as bent and bad looking as in the picture)

And building this way gives a nice space under the model to organize all the tools

Thanks for following

[Baker]

Planking update

 

At the bow there is a very wide plank. Why??.

An extra wide plank

The plank is first made approximately on the correct arc

Made wet and bent

ready to glue

done

work in progress

current status:

Looks good, so far. There will be a lot of sanding to do...

Made an investment for my retirement.

Went on holliday, and found a new toy in southern Spain  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38.1_cm_/45_Model_1926_naval_gun

Thanks for following

[GrandpaPhil]

Very cool!

 

The Mary Rose is looking great!

[Roger Pellett]

Looking good, Patrick; both the model and you!

[Baker]

Thanks,
Climbing up the turret was quite an adventure. Fortunately there is no photo of this event...

[firdajan]

Quote

At the bow there is a very wide plank. Why??.

They are joggle planks. They are visible on the rest of  bow - they are very eroded, but they are there. Look at the pictures I added.

I think some similar of them are on the aft. BTW, look carefully on the hull. No one plank is the same, each one is the original😉

 

Jan

[Baker]

Many thanks for the photos and info.
Indeed, no plank is identical, it is time consuming to work in this way

[Alvb]

What can I imagine under a joggle plank? 

[Baker]

I think it's a custom made plank
In this case a plank that is the same width as the two connecting planks together.

[Alvb]

I think that back then all the planks were unique. Adapted to the situation and determined by the existing timber. 

 

So there is no particular need to attach an oversized plank at this point t. 

It just happened that way during the construction process.

 

Alvb

Edited June 6, 2023 by Alvb

[Roger Pellett]

In reality it’s a dropped strake.  As the strakes approach the bow, the hull girth becomes less.  By taking the place of two strakes very narrow planks are avoided.

 

Same idea on a steel plated hull ( below the hawse pipe)

 

Roger

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Roger Pellett

[Baker]

11 minutes ago, Roger Pellett said:

In reality it’s a dropped strake.  As the strakes approach the bow, the hull girth becomes less.  By taking the place of two strakes very narrow planks are avoided.

 

Same idea on a steel plated hull ( below the hawse pipe)

 

Roger

 

Thanks Roger.

I knew roughly what it meant.

but did not get it worded correctly in the English text .

[firdajan]

You are answered already instead of me, thanks a lot. It was beginning of the 16 th century... nobody know if these planks leads straight to forward, or they again divided to two before the bow. 

The best way is not to complicate the model by unimportant things. What if on the other side of the ship was the planking different ?....

 

Jan

[firdajan]

1 minute ago, firdajan said:

Baker, Alvb, Roger: You are answered already instead of me, thanks a lot. It was beginning of the 16 th century... nobody know if these planks leads straight to forward, or they again divided to two before the bow. 

The best way is not to complicate the model by unimportant things. What if on the other side of the ship was the planking different ?....

 

Jan