Hawker Tempest by Javlin - FINISHED - Revell/Special Hobby - 1/32

[Javlin]

I started on this because no stuff came in for me today from the post man and plus been watching videos on YT of the Tempest.I watched the last night the dedication of one being restored in the UK with a sabre engine that has never been fired up yet new in the crate 80years now!!So I mentioned on another thread that slips me at the moment should/when I start this build the WW's would be the first place I venture to.I have seen builds stall when they get here even a YT vid.Well....I decided the instructions suck in this area and since they give you a Nice relief in the lower wing I started with the front piece and worked clockwise and it went together like a champ.The upper wings have already been checked for fit and it slips in like a dream.I will finish the wing and move onto the fuselage in the next couple of weeks.

[Landlubber Mike]

Awesome Kevin, looking forward to this one!

[Javlin]

40 minutes ago, Landlubber Mike said:

Awesome Kevin, looking forward to this one!

Thanks Mike some say now it's the fuse to wing joint after the innards are added looks 100% OK to me W/O the innards.So I have started on the innards alot of this maybe work out having good info.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Javlin

[Javlin]

I have been trying to get as much done on this while waiting two weeks to get my order from SB's the USPS temporarily lost my order in Kansas I am just building sub-assemblies as I feel fit bouncing around and Limited Run kits seem to require that the instructions are not the best.I eliminated what might of been a couple errors for me by looking ahead and pulling that procedure into the now.I used a semi-gloss black on the sidewalls and all panels/boxes will be a NATO Black and will NBlack the console on the tubing with the airbrush and tidy up the green with a brush.I need to track down some good color pics of the copit for better clarity.Dan you made this happen

Edited May 28, 2023 by Javlin

[Egilman]

3 hours ago, Javlin said:

I need to track down some good color pics of the copit for better clarity

Hey Jav, take a look at this page.... 

 

And it's a Mk 5, looks all black with a green seat....

Edited May 28, 2023 by Egilman

[Javlin]

Thanks EG I think I will stay green seems they came both ways according to some readings and the opinion of Edgar Brooks.....A good rule of thumb with Typhoons and Tempests is that everything below the elbow was interior green, except for the tubing underneath the instrument panel, and everything above was black, including the inside of the windscreen. Don't forget that the Tempest didn't have a visible gunsight, the graticule was projected on the armourer glass.

 

Then another chimed in were these after war crates? ....Hi Edgar and fellow Tempest enthusiasts,
A few years ago, maybe around 1995, I was at the RAF Museum, and was given permission to extensively photograph both the Typhoon and Tempest V, including access to the cockpits via stepladder.
Both cockpits were obviously unrestored. Both cockpits were completely black. Tubular framework, floorboards, seat, consoles, interior of fuselage skin panels.... everything.
The gearbay on this Tempest is IGG as Edgar says, and the gearbay on the Typhoon is Sky. I suspect the original color of the Typhoon wheelwell was IGG. The Typhoon was incomplete and had to have a new radiator and spinner (weird looking though it is, and badly in need of a more accurate replacement) made in order to display it. The airplane was externally repainted at the time is was readied for display. The gearbay was most probably overpainted at this time as all hoses, fittings, etc. are all overpainted sky.

 

EG what I did notice in the CM pics is that even the backing to the seat was green

[Egilman]

Well the Typhoon and Tempests were being developed in the period where the allies were trying to figure out what was best for cockpit colors.. The RAF along about early 44 decided that all black was best over black panels over a green interior, the USAAF decided and agreed to the same in mid '45, this is why you see Black panels over a Green interior in USAAF aircraft up to the end of the war...

 

I did the research during my Sabre build where the question arose in how they went from Black over Green to all Black, then to Black over Grey... For some reason they thought all black was a good thing.... {chuckle} Most every pilot I've chatted with says all black is not a good thing, for the pilot that is...

 

All black cockpit is a strong indicator of a late war/post war RAF aircraft...

Edited May 28, 2023 by Egilman

[Javlin]

Reached out a little more EG  to a friend in the UK since Mr. Brooks passed a few years ago but the friend passed photos of a wartime crate for me.I am going to add that the handle to the joystick looks brown maybe with the bottom being black that holds it to the stick.The reflector gunsight while SH/Revell says black the mounts are either IGG/Silver a change there?This is a Typhoon

Hi Kevin,

Wartime Tempest and Typhoon were normally matt black down to the elbow-level tubular frame, and Cockpit Grey Green below this.
All of the tubular framework was most often dull silver, although in the photos below ( a Typhoon cockpit) they appear to be the Grey Green.
The heel boards could be silver or matt black, probably scuffed.
The back and head armour was matt black, as was the area under the canopy, with the seat normally in dull silver.
Hope this helps,
 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Javlin

[Egilman]

5 hours ago, Javlin said:

Wartime Tempest and Typhoon were normally matt black down to the elbow-level tubular frame, and Cockpit Grey Green below this.

Your on it... pre June '44 configuration... Also they didn't backdate aircraft in the field when they made the change to all black... (the scheme was production only going forward) I agree, the aircraft in the Museum is probably a postwar aircraft....

 

Nice pics...

Edited May 29, 2023 by Egilman

[Canute]

Your build is coming along nicely. 👍

 

USAF F-4s had a gray cockpit with black instrument bezels and control panels. The cockpits were pretty beat up, with flight crews and maintenance folks walking on many panels. For night flyers, we taped over a lot of the dings, because of the stray white light points interfering with our night vision. Night lighting was red.

[Javlin]

I got to stop on this one waiting on belts from SB usually keep them around but only have the Sutton in the stash as far as Brit stuff goes.I am not very good at dirtying stuff up it's what you get.Back to the 110.

 

After seeing the photos will tidy it up some here and there.

[Javlin]

I have gotten past what has made a few put this kit on the SOD.The WW's in my instructions had you build them outside the wing and insert them afterwards screwy plans angles involved.The next issue I heard of was once the copit was inserted failure of the fuse to slip into the wing?I did encounter that but took me 30 minutes of grinding/sanding to overcome the obstacle.One has to grinding/sand the the very inner WWs that encounter the copit tubing and sand the outside of the tub some.I have my seatbelts coming from Eduard tomorrow with some others for Japanese and MkIX with a book.I will finish the 110 soon enough just find the challenges of this limited run kit interesting.

[Javlin]

Info for those that might stray down the path of a Tempest from Mr.Edgar Brooks one of those guys sadly missed and had the answers for many.Color changes coming.

Before its restoration, I saw the RAF Museum's Tempest, when it was at Cardington, and the wells were green, legs and door interiors were silver.

Edgar

Edited June 2, 2023 by Javlin

[CDW]

Your build thread is turning out to be an excellent tutorial. I too have this kit waiting in my stash, so I am hanging on to every detail you are providing. It's not a shake and bake kit from what I see you going through.

[Javlin]

46 minutes ago, CDW said:

Your build thread is turning out to be an excellent tutorial. I too have this kit waiting in my stash, so I am hanging on to every detail you are providing. It's not a shake and bake kit from what I see you going through.

On our sister site Peter was having issues with the insertion and I guess the alignment of certain aspects of the LG's themselves I think anything the Eduard's 1/48 I bought may help?

Edited June 2, 2023 by Javlin

[CDW]

32 minutes ago, Javlin said:

On our sister site Peter was having issues with the insertion and I guess the alignment of certain aspects of the LG's themselves I think anything the Eduard's 1/48 I bought may help?

What is our sister site?

[Javlin]

4 hours ago, CDW said:

What is our sister site?

https://forum.largescalemodeller.com/?_fromLogin=1

[CDW]

1 hour ago, Javlin said:

https://forum.largescalemodeller.com/?_fromLogin=1

Thanks!

I signed up and will tune in.

[Javlin]

Not a fast paced site by no means Craig but a good set of fellas some quite talented like Mike and Rob for two.

[Javlin]

My first post tonight  is going to be about procedure and Don't Forget the Part!.I was building the nose and having some issues wondering why is was such a PITA getting part H9/H43 and H10/44 to get a good alignment within the nose cavity?I continued to build I built up E2/E3 but did not glue in yet I went an grabbed E1/E18 part of the lower fuse and front wingroot while providing a roof inside the nose...it was about 1/32" off coming out the back of the nose.I had to file E1  and sub-assembly #34 accordingly all because I forgot to install D2 in the nose which would of aided on a positive blocking plate for H9 and H10.Just a heads up it works this is one part of the build you follow the instructions to the T.I got it all worked out just extra work for me.

[Javlin]

The copit is complete and let me tell ya building the seatbelts well let's be Nice a chore with Quinta on the scene that skillset was weak.The belts are RB Productions with a little of Tamiya dust applied.The very rear bulkhead while tight it opened the fuse outwards tightened up the fuse/wing seam even more so me likey.I am trying to loosen the bulkhead right behind the seat with the plate it's off to the right maybe 1/32' if that WD40 and Acetone were mixed and lightly applied no luck may just live with it. The nose to fuse is just about as good as it gets she has had her challenges "Yes" but I have kinda enjoyed them abit.That's all for now guys got to put in a little more work tonight on her.

Edited June 5, 2023 by Javlin

[Javlin]

The primer has been applied was very little filler was needed the biggest area was were the lower wing met the fuse underneath a piece of .020" card stock was inserted and sanded.I had a little step between at the wing root R/side figured do more than good going after it.

[Old Collingwood]

Nice clean finish with  the primer.

 

OC.

[popeye the sailor]

looks very good.........the gaps filled in quite well  

[Landlubber Mike]

Great seam work Kevin - very nice base for the paint job.  👍

[Javlin]

The paints on this one are all MM enamels(freehand) we move on to invasion stripes from here.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Javlin

[Javlin]

The stripes have been laid it seems I am progressing more and more to a splotchy pattern with my paint.The white was laid down uneven 2.8" using 18" stripes which was roughly 9/16" in width the last white stripe in the middle had to eyeballed to be even usually 1/32" was missing.I painted the black first with falt black splotchy again and then came back with a Nato black to fill in here and there but never completely.I had the minimum of clean-up in the end.

[realworkingsailor]

Everyone who I’ve seen building a model with invasion stripes (myself included) works diligently to make the stripes to exact width and straightness, with perfect colour separation etc. When the fact of the matter is, when the ground crews actually applied the stripes, there was no such attention to detail. I’ve read reports of the stripes being applied to aircraft on the day before D-Day with a mop! (Some weren’t even fully dry the day of).

 

Your striping looks pretty great to me!

 

Andy

Edited June 21, 2023 by realworkingsailor

[Javlin]

I have heard the same Andy but when you put it to scale even a half **** job would look decent from a distance.I appreciate the kind comment the plane has about 4 coats of clear but I forgot the yellow leading edge.

[Javlin]

The main decals have been applied stencils remain for another day.I also painted the prop just need to finish the blades.It's been a good productive day.