dgbot Posted November 29, 2015 #121 Posted November 29, 2015 Shaz the easiest way to do a waterline is to make a fixture that will hold a pencil or marker at a specific height. I made one a couple of years go and found it useful for waterlines. Once the height is set you level the hull and move it around the fixture. This is the easiest way I know on how to get straight waterline. David B mtaylor, Shazmira, Piet and 6 others 9 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Shazmira Posted November 29, 2015 Author #122 Posted November 29, 2015 David, now that looks really good. I will see what I can build for myself today, Thank you. Thanks to you as well Crackers, that one looks like it will require less engineering. I experimented last night, but could not seem to get my pencil secure to the item I was using to hold it. Going to try today with some clamps to hold it perfectly horizontal Jack12477, Piet, avsjerome2003 and 2 others 5 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
DBorgens Posted November 29, 2015 #123 Posted November 29, 2015 Hi Robbyn, This is the easiest way and it might be easier to work wiht the hull upside down. I gave up too early and used a laser level to show the waterline and marked it by hand every inch or two. I then drew the waterline keeping an eye on symmetry when viewed from below (fish eye veiw). it worked for me but not worth buying a level. Dave B Piet, Shazmira, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: HMS Pegasus, English Pinnace (on hold) Completed build: MS Bluenose, Skippercraft
Mirabell61 Posted November 29, 2015 #124 Posted November 29, 2015 Hi Robbyn, nice to see you back and that your syren project is under wind again, also a very nice and neat working place you have. BTW I noticed that Little whaling ? boat on your desk, is there also a seperate log for that one ? Nils mtaylor, Shazmira, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
src Posted November 29, 2015 #125 Posted November 29, 2015 great to see you back at it Robbyn. LOL, if you cant fix it, Duct it!! If the duct tape doesnt work, try a set of clothes pins epoxied to your board. Sam avsjerome2003, dgbot, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
gjdale Posted November 30, 2015 #126 Posted November 30, 2015 Robbyn, A "poor man's" waterline marker can be made by grabbing a takeaway coffee cup (preferably empty), turning it upside down, then inserting a pencil through one side and out the other at the required height. Then run the coffee cup around the ship. Voila - instant waterline! avsjerome2003, augie, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Shazmira Posted December 1, 2015 Author #127 Posted December 1, 2015 Hi Robbyn, nice to see you back and that your syren project is under wind again, also a very nice and neat working place you have. BTW I noticed that Little whaling ? boat on your desk, is there also a seperate log for that one ? Nils If you mean the boat on the left, with sails, then yes, that is the AL San Francisco build log with a link in my signature. If you are referring to the mystery build to the right, there is not a build log for that one, as I am going off script with that build and planning to experiment a bit, so I will wait until there is some real progress to post a build log for it avsjerome2003, ScottRC, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Shazmira Posted December 1, 2015 Author #128 Posted December 1, 2015 Grant, now that is absolutely brilliant!, wish I had thought of it, talk about a simple fix! mtaylor, avsjerome2003 and gjdale 3 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Bedford Posted December 1, 2015 #129 Posted December 1, 2015 Well now I'm feeling all left out, where is my invitation to rejoin your build? Don't you remember my waterline marker I used on the schooner, you said you would remember it and use it! The workshop looks brilliant, I love it. As for lighting I would consider LED before buying fluoro. LED has well and truly come of age and the prices have become reasonable.I would suggest cool white for model building. ScottRC, Piet, avsjerome2003 and 2 others 5 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
Shazmira Posted December 2, 2015 Author #130 Posted December 2, 2015 Sorry Steve, I did forget...it has been much too long! But I figured out a fix. the problem was not the concept of the marker, it was the fact my build board is wide, but not wide enough to run the base of my marker on top of the build board. This meant my pencil was sticking out about 5 inches from my holder and I couldn't get it to remain in the correct horizontal position even using an entire roll of duct tape. So I found a 1/4" thick piece of wood, screwed it to the top of my wood block at the proper height, then laid my pencil on top and attached it to my 1/4" piece to hold it firmly at the proper height. Worked like a dream! avsjerome2003, gjdale, src and 4 others 7 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Bedford Posted December 3, 2015 #131 Posted December 3, 2015 Adaptation is everything in this hobby src, Piet, ScottRC and 2 others 5 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
Shazmira Posted December 14, 2015 Author #132 Posted December 14, 2015 Question time, I am working on the stern, specifically the cap rail of the stern. I made the 3 "fashioned" pieces and have bent and formed my cap rail. What I don't understand clearly, and cannot see clearly in pics on build logs, is does the cap rail just sit on top of those "fashioned" pieces? Or do I need to sand the ends down so it is flush to something else there? I know that is not real clear, but neither are the instructions on this particular little detail. I am not quite sure how long the cap rail needs to be, meaning how far down the wales(?) it extends Piet, src, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Gahm Posted December 14, 2015 #133 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Robbyn, I hope the 2 added images may answer your question. Thomas Edited December 14, 2015 by Gahm egkb, popeye the sailor, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
Shazmira Posted December 14, 2015 Author #134 Posted December 14, 2015 so the cap rail only goes to the top of the first fashioned piece? I thought it covered all three Jack12477 and mtaylor 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
_SalD_ Posted December 15, 2015 #135 Posted December 15, 2015 Robbyn, there are two different layers of fashion pieces. The first two are filler pieces and the second two cover them and are blended into the mid-wale. The picture, below, from the manual shows the first layer of fillers. The lower filler piece is sanded down almost to nothing. The red and green lines that I drew denote the final cap rail and fashion pieces that go over the top of the fillers. The other pictures show how I tapered the top fashion piece into the wale. I also found it easier to make the fashion pieces out of one piece of wood instead of two. Hope that helps. Good luck. avsjerome2003, Jaggy, egkb and 9 others 12 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways
Shazmira Posted December 15, 2015 Author #136 Posted December 15, 2015 NOw that Makes perfect sense!!! I had the first set of fashion pieces done, but I need to go back and sand down the bottom one much more. When I tried to put the cap rail over the top of what I have, it is not flush to the wales. Thank you for the additional pic and drawing of the second layer of fashion pieces. Back to the cutting board, I will need to remake mine to get them to lay correctly, thank you! Salty Sea Dog, Piet, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
_SalD_ Posted December 15, 2015 #137 Posted December 15, 2015 Robbyn, you're most welcome, glad to help. The following link shows how I did mine if you'd like to see. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8410-us-brig-syren-by-sald-–-model-shipways/?p=285045 Shazmira, Piet and mtaylor 3 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways
popeye the sailor Posted December 28, 2015 #138 Posted December 28, 2015 it's so good to see your back in the workshop the hull looks awesome! for a waterline.....I just use a block of wood with a 'V' in the top for the pencil. I have different size blocks, depending where the line needs to go. nothing too fancy...and gets the job done mtaylor, Piet, Shazmira and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
ronald305 Posted January 3, 2016 #139 Posted January 3, 2016 Hi Robbyn great job on the Syren the second time around I have two questions for you one where would I get replacement wood these days since hobby mills are out of business second what is the dimensions of your building jig thank you Ronald Piet and Shazmira 2 Quote
gjdale Posted January 3, 2016 #140 Posted January 3, 2016 Ronald, Try Crown Timberyard for replacement wood - they are a sponsor of this site and appear to have taken over the mantle from HobbyMill. All reports I've read here have been very positive. Jason (the owner) also appears to be developing an excellent reputation for customer service, just at Jeff at HobbyMill had. Sorry for butting in Robbyn - back to your build. avsjerome2003, Shazmira, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Shazmira Posted January 4, 2016 Author #141 Posted January 4, 2016 Thanks for the advice Grant, I did not who to go to since Jeff retired. I was actually thinking about the same issue, but had put off asking as atm I have everything I ordered prior to Jeff's retirement, so I had not been in need. I am glad to hear Jason has stepped in to fill the need Jeff's absence has made, and glad to hear reviews are favorable. Ronald, I sent you a pm to answer your question about the jig. For everyone else, no progress to report. As soon as school was out for Christmas break I had surgery (nothing life threatening) and have been recovering ever since. I have 3 whole days left of break before the new semester begins, and now that I am weaning myself off the pain pills I am hoping I can spend some in the dry dock during those 3 days and then I will have some progress to report. src, Piet, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Salty Sea Dog Posted January 4, 2016 #142 Posted January 4, 2016 Get well soon! Happy New Year! mtaylor and Piet 2 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there...
mtaylor Posted January 4, 2016 #143 Posted January 4, 2016 Do get healthy quickly, Shaz. Syren's calling and so are probably other things. I hope it'll be a great year for you two. Salty Sea Dog, Shazmira, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
gjdale Posted January 4, 2016 #144 Posted January 4, 2016 Sorry to hear you've been under the knife Robbyn, but glad that you're on the mend now. I look forward to further updates on your Syren in the near future. Hope you have a great year. mtaylor, Shazmira, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Piet Posted January 5, 2016 #145 Posted January 5, 2016 Glad to hear you are in the mend Robbyn and am looking forward to some updates soon. Get well quick and have a great 2016. Cheers, Shazmira, Jack12477, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
src Posted January 6, 2016 #146 Posted January 6, 2016 Robbyn?!?!? What is it with you and knives!! Great to her you are on the mend, looking forward to an update. Sam Piet, Shazmira, avsjerome2003 and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Shazmira Posted January 19, 2016 Author #147 Posted January 19, 2016 No, I have not dropped dead, but I did take almost a month off to heal from surgery on my foot. Still wearing a lovely boot, and waiting for the incision to heal, but I am up and about and classes have begun for the semester. I have spent the last two weeks fighting with this stupid cap rail....really not sure what the problem was, broke more pieces than I can remember lol. Finally got one I was pleased with then realized the ends were not tapered correctly, so it did not sit up against the wales correctly, so it was back to bending again. Now I have one I can live with. Not perfect, but it will do, just a little touch up left to do, and fix my little decorative pieces that broke off, then I can finally move on. Dee_Dee, egkb, gjdale and 10 others 13 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Bedford Posted January 20, 2016 #148 Posted January 20, 2016 Glad one of us is back in the shipyard, keep on keeping on Robbyn she'll be well worth all the little set backs Shazmira, Piet and mtaylor 3 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe!
gjdale Posted January 20, 2016 #149 Posted January 20, 2016 Looks like your perseverance has paid off there Robbyn. Glad to hear the foot is mending well too. popeye the sailor, Piet, Shazmira and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
mtaylor Posted January 24, 2016 #150 Posted January 24, 2016 Hi Robbyn, It's great to hear that the surgery is over and the foot is healing. Nice work on the cap rail as that looks to be a tricky piece of work. Piet and Shazmira 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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