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Michael, that's a very creditable model. Nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about there. You should start a build log, even if she is part way through. A lot of help and advice available that way. I do have a question - I looked up USS Albatross on Wikipedia and there were two of them mentioned, but neither looks like yours. Is there another USS Albatross as well?
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That's very bad news. I hope they have a replacement policy in a case like this.
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The CAD work is fascinating, Kris. But I'm really looking forward to seeing it all"in the flesh" when you start building. I will be very interested in seeing how well the drawing transfers over to the real world. Naturally hoping it all goes off without a hitch, but even if it doesn't to start off with, a very well worthwhile exercise.
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A quick update. For the time being until all the oarsmen are finished all the updates are just going to be adding more oarsmen, I'm afraid. So far I've got 16 finished, four under way.
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Hi Michael and welcome. I second that. If only because we all like to see pics of model ships.
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New to MSW, Tom from The Netherlands
Louie da fly replied to Articcie's topic in New member Introductions
Welcome, Tom. The Victory is a very ambitious build, but if you've already got the experience with others, by no means impossible. I look forward to seeing your build log when you finally receive the kit. -
Nice work, Mike. An impressive model. For your next model, be sure to start a build log - if only so we can see the pretty pictures By the way, where in Oz are you?
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Making good progress, Richard. And I love your new toys!
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Sea Witch 1846 by Zooker - RESTORATION
Louie da fly replied to Zooker's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1801 - 1850
I haven't seen the book before, but at first glance it looks good and fills a gap that I don't think anything else does. Not sure about specialised tools for rigging - long-nosed tweezers would be good. But there are some clever ideas in some of the build logs for jigs etc, particularly one for getting all your deadeyes perfectly spaced apart. Unfortunately I don't seem to have bookmarked that one, but as far as I can see you're not likely to need it because your deadeyes are already made and positioned. -
Stick with it, mate. One day the problem you had with this will just be a memory of obstacles overcome in building a beautiful model. And she really is going to be beautiful.
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I'm glad they're being so helpful and supportive. In my own experience with museums (and academics) this seems to be the rule rather than the exception. I'm enjoying following this project.
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It's looking very good. If you work out how to do things right the first time, can you tell me? It would be nice not to have to think Aaaargh! If only I'd done it that way first! Still happens far too often.
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I have a reproduction of this painting waiting for a frame so I can put it up on the wall of my "shipyard". I agree, a very poignant scene. She was called the Fighting Temeraire (which means "Courageous", or perhaps even "Reckless") because of her exploits at Trafalgar - from Wikipedia "At the Battle of Trafalgar on 21 October, the ship went into action immediately astern of Nelson's flagship, HMS Victory. During the battle Temeraire came to the rescue of the beleaguered Victory, and fought and captured two French ships, winning public renown in Britain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Temeraire_(1798)
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I think whatever the rights and wrongs of replacing the one-piece masts with built-up ones, the client's brief is very definite. And it's going to end up as a very attractive model, which I'm sure the client will love. BTW, what are you planning to do with the "futtock shrouds"? The shape of the tops makes normal ones impossible, and that must be why they did them the way they did.
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I think you're right - the hawse coverings might do the job. The photo below is from the Amati Revenge build by drobinson02199 (which I'm sure you're already aware of) and it looks like you're onto something. It'd certainly make life a lot easier.
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I was wondering what they might have done about it. As far as I know this isn't something that has received a lot of attention, but there's been very little information available. in most images of cogs which show the shrouds (unless the fixings are just left off by the artist) they seem to end inboard, such as in the ones below: 1329 Seal of Stralsund Seal of Ipswich - the date given is 1200, but I find that hard to believe. Royal MS 10 E IV Folio 208v c 1300-1340 A 15th-century illustration from Marco Polo’s Travels, held by the Bodleian Library, Oxford, However, the seals below seem to show something like what's provided in the kit. The first two are the seal of Elbing in Germany, at different magnifications. The third is the seal of Southampton, early 15th century. The whole subject of cogs is very interesting - it's just a shame that so little information is available about such things as the rig, and we are reduced to "best guess". It looks to me as though the solution provided in the kit is as good as we're ever likely to have unless another cog is found, but with the rigging intact. We can only hope.
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Not up till now, and I certainly wouldn't do it commercially, though I have occasionally done carvings for other people as gifts "just because". I see you're doing a Bf 109G-6. Is that why you asked? If so, PM me. Thanks everybody for the likes, and thanks Druxey for the comment. Mark, I expect that would be the case, though as Byzantine oarsmen seem always to have not been barechested, clothes would hide some of that. I've taken that into account to some degree, but it's been a bit of a judgment call - somewhere between He-Man and a 96 pound weakling. But to see the effect of being a galley oarsman, rather than Ben Hur, look at Carry on Cleo. Unfortunately, the rowing scenes aren't available on Youtube (I looked).
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Sea Witch 1846 by Zooker - RESTORATION
Louie da fly replied to Zooker's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1801 - 1850
Hi Zooker, The instructions for starting a (scratch-built - which is the most appropriate category to what you're doing) build log are here To move your text and photos, probably the easiest thing to do would be to just write a bit of appropriate text to introduce the subject plus re-upload (or copy and paste) the photos you've included so far. And then go on from there as you make progress in your restoration. And ask lots of questions if you need help or advice - there is no such thing as a stupid question! Yes the book you've been recommended to read relates to the rigging of real ships. It's then up to you how accurately you wish to copy that rigging, bearing in mind the practicalities of making everything much smaller. The smaller the scale of the build, the simpler most people make everything - it's often better to leave out a lot of the fiddly bits at a small scale because (a) they're hard to make and (b) sometimes they actually detract from the overall impression you're trying to achieve. It's your decision, your model. As you're restoring an existing model, it's probably best to try to get it back to the way it was originally built, using the book as a guide in case of doubt. And there's a whole section in the forum on "Masting, Rigging and Sails" - good for seeing how others have done it, and for getting your own specific questions answered by those "in the know". Good luck with it, and have fun! (which is why we do this, after all). -
Hi Daryl, You might like to look at this, it gives a good rundown on models suitable for beginners. Just be aware that unfortunately Artesania Latina is no longer in business, though apparently there are still AL models out there if you're prepared to look. Start a build log when you do begin your build. It's a great way to get help and advice (and encouragement!). And it would be nice to see some photos of your dory.
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Just out of interest, Chris, what does the kit have in the way of fixings for the lower end of the shrouds? I've just been looking at this in relation to another "cog" build at Rather interesting. It appears deadeyes didn't evolve until sometime in the 15th century.
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