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Great progress Steven, you must be happy that you have resolved most of the 'issues' now? cheers Pat
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Maria looks a handy little craft Michael. cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Thanks for the likes and comments guys. Thanks Michael, still debating with myself on how best to create and fit a canvas backing to the handrails. My current thoughts are leading me towards using 'washed' linen drafting paper but I am also intending to use that to make the canvas rolls (rolled hammocks) so there would be little contract. That said the two cloths (in real life) were probably similar. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Thanks Ed, I look forward to Vol III - actually I can't wait) no pressure Appreciate all the sharing of information here. cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Thanks Druxey; appreciate the feedback. I think I will have to live the three (and a half) wraps now as i have permanently fitted the platform but I have noted that in my drawings and research notes. It was a great loss losing John, I have a couple of his books and find them very useful. I found his work on 'trick stopper' anchor release mechanisms in his ‘The Transition from Hemp to Chain Cable Innovations and Innovators’ especially useful. I think I will have another trawl of the net to see if I can find some additional works by him relating to steering arrangements. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Hi Ed, many thanks for your encouragement and comments. Druxey; appreciate your earlier comment/question which made me go back and double check my work. These sort of question is much valued to ensure accuracy of the detail. The following is from the description provided by Rapson when he applied for his Patent. "... c,c is the tiller-rope or chain, which is affixed to the sliding frame and socket, d,d passes over the guide pulleys, f, f and is affixed to, or takes three or four turns around, the barrel carried by the axis of the steering wheel. ..." From this I have assumed three or four complete turns but I am not sure this means three full turns plus the entry/departure wraps or includes them? I am still to estable whether a rope or chain tiller rope would have been more likely in Victoria. Noting she is only a 'sloop' despite being termed a Gun Despatch Vessel, I am also 'currently' assuming that rope was adequate due to her size - but that is a BIG assumption - the relatively short iron tiller may have needed greater force and thereby a stronger 'rope' Any further guidance or suggestions would be most appreciated. The eagle eyed will also notice that I have slightly offset the bolts used for the various components of the wheel platform assembly - this was based on the principle of avoiding drilling anything in straight lines (per beam) to minimise any weakness in the timbers. I hope this is a correct assumption on my part? cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Stunning detail on the rigging Ed; I have to keep reminding myself this is 1:72. cheers Pat
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An extra rum issue for the dockyard lads Dave; the rigging looks great - very nice job. cheers Pat
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Nice work Greg; this build is particularly well detailed and weathered - love the realistic look of the ventilation intake stacks etc. A very nice addition to your miniature fleet (I know, still a bit to be done) cheers Pat
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Slow but high quality progress Ed; I very much enjoy seeing your masterful work - it continues to keep me enthused with my build (which at the moment is more like a chore than fun but i will work through it :)) cheers Pat
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Nice to see an update John, but not to hear of the health news. Best wishes for a full recovery and speedy return to the slipway. cheers Pat
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Very nice job on those davits Dan, they look terrific. cheers Pat
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Looks good UV; both the model and the workshop. Must be good to finally be able to work with everything 'to hand' again? cheers Pat
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Very nice work Greg; super detailing! cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Thanks Dave; slowly but surely I am being a little distracted making toys for my granddaughter at the moment which has slowed progress . cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Carl, it is a relatively simple concept - if you know you will be involved in a battle you fit the spur before sailing; otherwise it could stay off/inboard to improve ship-handling? No need to run to a nearby shore as you suggest, as they would know beforehand if there was likelihood of battle imminent. One-on-one battles, or to 'chase' another ship, would really only be for anti-piracy patrols or the like, and probably would result in the spur being fitted throughout the patrol. This is purely conjecture only. There may be some evidence to veto or support such a concept? Purely from the 'practical point of view' man-handling such a large (and heavy) chunk of iron-clad timber at those heights would not have been easy on a beach but may have been possible while alongside in their 'port'? Anything mentioned in the information you have Steven? cheers Pat
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Looks very good Michael; great idea to prototype in card. cheers Pat
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It seems we were responding at the same time Steven. your response to the anchor issue puts some of my thoughts to rest though. An iron anchor would still have had sufficient weight to assist, but it seems you have evidence these were stowed forward and the ships were beached stern first. Any discussion by the academics/researchers on whether the spur interfered with the anchor cable? Another thought, how easy/difficult was it to mount the spur. To assist ship handling etc, is it possible the spur was carried inboard and only fitted (while beached or the like) as required? An interesting discussion indeed. cheers Pat
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Bit hard anchoring forward with the bows beached Carl If you want to stop the waves pushing the stern of a 'beached' boat around and beaching sideways, then the idea is to use a stern (kedge) anchor to keep her bows on the beach and stern to the sea. The cable of a forward anchor would probably also foul on the spur? Not much point anchoring these types of vessels out in a bay to overnight I would think (unless expecting a night action)? Back in those days, I think, they tended to stay near the coast, unless foraying from their base. More often than not they probably camped on a beach overnight. A kedge anchor would then be very useful, even if made of stone; the bows were probably made fast to the beach/coast with some type of 'sand/ground' anchor? The beauty of a double ended vessel is that it would lay to anchor from aft just as well as from forward? Anything in your research about this Steven? Food for more thought anyway Sorry to have hijacked your build log Steven. cheers Pat
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Looks good Daniel. Where was the stone anchor stowed? (I am assuming stone and expect the usual consequence ) Might that have been aft and used as a counterweight. If they drove the bows onto the beach the an anchor aft would make sense? cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Thanks to all for the likes and for looking in, and kind comments Carl, John and Druxey; much appreciate the feedback and encouragement. Druxey, 4 turns if you include the in and out feed (or is that 3 total ). I haven't been able to determine if the 4 turns were 4 complete with or without feed lines - I have gone with 4 wraps of the cable. According to the patent description this is correct as being direct acting on the tiller using the slide mechanism of the Rapson design, this required much less effort and also resulted in 'positive' control of the wheel. I would appreciate any further feedback if anyone has better information. I will try to find that info and post again and perhaps a better 'interpretation' of the info could be made? The problem is that there is precious little information available about these types of equipment. the only model of a Rapson slide I have found is in the Dutch Rijksmuseum and it only shows the tiller with partial slide attached - no ropes / cable etc. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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