HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB

[the learner]

Thanks, so you did not use any part of the bulkhead keel former that you would have normally used for a POB build. The picture is great but it does not show the keel part between the POB and POF section of your build.

[toms10]

Guy,

I am sorry, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Tom

[the learner]

Ok, just trying to figure out how you delt with bulkhead and  built up frames on the keel. Guess I asked for TMI.

[toms10]

Guy

will these photos help you. The keel was built up in height enough to allow a bulkhead With a slot to slide over the keel just like a standard POB build. 
 

these are all the photos of the framework that I have. 

 

Tom

[the learner]

 

Thanks, so you did not use any part of the bulkhead keel former that you would have normally used for a POB build. The first and last pictures are great but they do not show the keel part between the POB and POF section of your build. Yes on photo #2 shows the keel for the first bulkhead going aft and I assume it is the same going foward. Perfect a complete scratch build!

[Bluto 1790]

Hi Tom,

 

I don't know exactly how you created the keel (for the frames) and the fore and aft 'spine' onto which you attached the bulkheads but I'm guessing you may have made something like what I've tried to draw below?  (I assume that from stem to stern the "thing" had to be a single piece, or a manufactured single piece?)

Maybe that's what Guy is trying to see?

 

[toms10]

Hi Jim,

Yes that is what it looked like.  The keel was a 1/4" square piece of walnut. The ends where the bulkheads were being used were built up by gluing 1/4" square pieces on top of each other until I got the height I needed to secure a bulkhead.  After sleeping on it, I realized what was being asked.  I just don't have any pictures.  Thanks for the sketch.

 

Guy, I hope this helps.  This site always has somebody that knows the answer... even if we are not always sure of the question.

 

Happy modeling,

Tom

[the learner]

Perfect! Tom, Bluto. Yes I see a total scratchbuilt model. I was thinking to modify a kit but can see now that would would be more difficult though not impossible. 

Cheers, Guy

[toms10]

Hello MSW

What started out as only intending to do the rat lines behind the futtock shrouds while they were easy to get to, ended up being a complete set on the main mast.  I guess that’s good since sooner or later they need to get done. I guess I will do the same on the port side now. Then I can put in the lower deadeyes for the top mast shrouds which was the original plan. I guess plans are like rules... subject to change without notice. 😜😁

 

And before anyone asks, I don’t know how many clove hitches I will need. Quick math tells me about 1300 just for the lower shrouds. After all those it doesn’t really matter if it is 1,000 or 10,000. Your brain eventually goes to mush after a few hundred. Good thing there are other things to work on 😁!

Tom

[Bluto 1790]

14 hours ago, toms10 said:

 

And before anyone asks, I don’t know how many clove hitches I will need. Quick math tells me about 1300 just for the lower shrouds. After all those it doesn’t really matter if it is 1,000 or 10,000. Your brain eventually goes to mush after a few hundred. Good thing there are other things to work on 😁!

Tom

Tom,  it's great to see someone so happy to be doing ratlines!  .  .  .  and you're not going to count them ???  (Welcome to the mushy brain club!)

[toms10]

Hi Jim,

Okay, who am I kidding.  I am an engineer... I have to count them.  I am just wired that way. 

Tom

[mtaylor]

13 hours ago, toms10 said:

Hi Jim,

Okay, who am I kidding.  I am an engineer... I have to count them.  I am just wired that way. 

Tom

 

Ah.. that's probably good then.  I was a tech writer for several decades and always just went to the engineer to ask "how many?"

[toms10]

Major milestone tonight. Finished the rat lines on all the lower shrouds. I said I would count them but I couldn’t help myself... 1,392 clove hitches. 
I used the “draw the actual shroud position on paper” technique to keep the lines properly spaced and the shrouds straight. 

 

 

 

Here is the finished product.  Maybe not  a “10” but looks pretty good to me.  I used  50 wt thread to keep the scale and keep the knots from being too bulky. 
 

Not sure what I will work on next. Definitely something without clove hitches. The yards seem to be calling. Those are pretty much the last wooden pieces that need to be made. 
 

Tom

 

 

[Matrim]

Love it. Plus I will try and approach my ratlines with your approach as it will keep things tidier than my (doing it by eye)

[Bluto 1790]

Looking great Tom! . . . and I know it's a great feeling to get to that stage.

(and I won't spoil it by mentioning the topmast ratlines.  I did say I wouldn't mention that, didn't I?)

 

Now, if I can help you with some arithmetic here:

 

Number of ratlines versus number of yards - - -  Ratlines = 1,392;   Yards = 21

 

That's assuming you're stopping at topgallants and not doing Royals, and making yards is much more fun AND much easier on the brain!

[toms10]

Hi Jim

Good to hear from you. Hope all is well. Top mast rat lines will be a breeze compared to this past marathon. 😜
 

Thinking more on it, I think I will continue on with the standing rigging.  Futtock shrouds next to get the top mast dead eyes secured. Then I can put in the top mast shrouds and finally the last sets of rat lines. 
 

Of course, all plans subject to change without notice. 😁

 

Be safe

Tom

[toms10]

Little more progress. Finished the fore top mast shrouds and ratlines. 

 

I have a question about the shrouds on the top gallant masts. I noticed there are 3 shroud lines but no ratlines. If one were to lower the royal yard how do you get to it if need be? I would have thought ratlines would solve the problem but there are none shown on the plans.  Understand I don’t want to tie more ratlines but it does not make sense to me. 🤔
 

Tom

[Bluto 1790]

Hi Tom,

 

I have to say I've also wondered about that ~ but I don't have an answer.

 

There may be someone who lurks around the Masting, Rigging and Sails forum who may have an idea.  It might be helpful if you posted there.

[toms10]

Hi all

reached another milestone today. After 2,852 clove hitches,  all the main, top and futtock shroud ratlines are complete. 

 

Now I will start to work on the forestays and backstays for the top masts. Then on to the top gallant masts and rigging and finally the royal masts. Working my way through the standing rigging. At least that is the plan for now. Also still have a decent amount of work to do on the bow sprit. 
 

Really starting to enjoy the results with some of the rigging in place. Brings the model to life a bit. 👍😁

 

Tom

[Bluto 1790]

On 8/31/2020 at 2:43 AM, toms10 said:

Hi all

reached another milestone today. After 2,852 clove hitches,  all the main, top and futtock shroud ratlines are complete. 
 

Really starting to enjoy the results with some of the rigging in place. Brings the model to life a bit. 👍😁

 

Tom

HMmmm . . . . . 2,852 clove hitches?  ~  are you absolutely certain you counted them correctly?  😄😄😄

 

It's looking great Tom.  It's on the home straight now, and as you say, the model has really come to life now.

 

 

[toms10]

16 hours ago, Bluto 1790 said:

HMmmm . . . . . 2,852 clove hitches?  ~  are you absolutely certain you counted them correctly?  😄😄😄

 

 

 

Hey Jim

you made me double check (I have some OCD issues 😜) just for fun and low and behold I did do a math error when multiplying. It is actually 2,918!  Ridiculous!😃

 

Really like your cross section model!

 

Tom

[mtaylor]

Nothing wrong with counting knots.   Now if you were counting the strokes with sandpaper per hull, I worry.

[Kevin]

lovely work, i will be there at that stage in 3 years 5 months and 16 days

[toms10]

Hello all,

I finished some of the standing rigging on the back half of the ship.  Now I need to find out more about the bow sprit rigging and what attaches to the fore masts along with the connections between the main and fore masts.  I spent the better part of  the last month learning the rigging.  One step at a time.  I can't believe how many blocks I will need to fully rig this ship with staysails.  I am sure Chuck will be getting another order soon.

 

 

Tom

[Bluto 1790]

38 minutes ago, toms10 said:

Now I need to find out more about the bow sprit rigging and what attaches to the fore masts along with the connections between the main and fore masts. 

Hi Tom,

Looking great!   I can see you're closing in on that 'front end'.

When you look at the bowsprit it DOES look a little bewildering (I say that as if the rest of the rigging isn't bewildering!) but just as you say ~~ taking one line at a time and it all comes together eventually.

I remember when I first got Petersson's rigging book, I thumbed through it and thought I'd never be able to get that done, but one step at a time . . . . .

[toms10]

Hi everyone,

I “had” to take a two week hiatus from modeling to build a mirrored wall shelf  (33 x 53 inches!) for my daughter (just can’t say no when they ask 😉)

I am back at it. I reviewed my pin layouts I made a while back. I sketched out a schematic for each mast area and developed a key as to where all the lines will be tied off. 

 

 

I also have been working on the yards. I have them rough cut to length and finished the octagon area on all of them. 

 

 

Finishing up some of the odds and ends to finish the standing rigging and get them installed as the masts are being assembled. 
 

 

There are quite a few things to think about when trying to anticipate what is coming up. I am working very hard to understand the rigging and when it will be the easiest to install. I am probably overthinking the whole thing but that is the engineering in me. 😜

 

Comments and suggestions are always welcome. 
 

Tom

[John Ruy]

11 minutes ago, toms10 said:

I am probably overthinking the whole thing but that is the engineering in me. 😜

Don’t we all... Us engineers that is. LOL 😆 Good pre-staging of the process always the best way to go. 👍

[Bluto 1790]

Hi Tom,

Is that very fine mirror a prototype for one you're going to model for Leopard!!!

 

Looking at your layout plans for your pins looks scary!  I just did the standing rigging on mine and even that required a LOT of belaying points ~ rigging the sails will sure need a lot more.  I'm really looking forward to seeing it with all sails flying!

[toms10]

Time for an update. I reached another milestone today in that the standing rigging is complete.  At least I think so. 😁

 

 

 

 

and one view from the seagull. 

 

Now I need to finish up the yards that I started a while back then on to the running rigging. 
 

Stay safe everyone.  It gets harder and harder every day. 

 

Tom

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by toms10

[John Ruy]

Congratulations on your milestone, we celebrate them all. 🍻 She is looking really good Tom 👍

Edited November 22, 2020 by John Ruy