flyer Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share #331 Posted July 9, 2023 Hi Alistair Thanks a lot for the compliments. Also, I appreciate your appreciation of the concrete. The backdrop is a wall connecting the house (kind of yellow clinker, the same Mario Botta sometimes used) to a later added outlying concrete garage, thus forming a nice protected patio and outdoor photo spot. Hi Alan and Meriadoc An uncoloured but sincere thank you for the flattering feedbacks. Cheers Peter Meriadoc Brandybuck 1 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted July 9, 2023 Share #332 Posted July 9, 2023 I tried printing a flag on thin tissue paper once but didn't like the results. The ink bleeds through to the other side as expected... just the colour seemed off. flyer 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted July 11, 2023 Share #333 Posted July 11, 2023 On 7/8/2023 at 2:32 PM, flyer said: Some patience, textile paint and fiddling with masking tape brought an acceptable result. The flag is hand painted onto the same cotton I use for the sails. The ensign really does look good! Can you give us the name of the textile paint and the TC of the cotton cloth you used? Thanks Allan flyer 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share #334 Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, allanyed said: Can you give us the name of the textile paint and the TC of the cotton cloth you used? After using it for years and now taking the picture I noticed, that the red isn't actually textile paint - but works anyhow. The TC is an estimated 200 - 260 (per inch). The second picture compares the fabric delivered with the kit (right) with what I found in a small local mercer after asking for the 'lightest, densest, natural cotton you have'. The somewhat ham-fisted sailor btw is in scale 1/72. Cheers Peter https://en.pebeo.com/catalogue/couleurs-pour-textiles Edited July 11, 2023 by flyer mort stoll and Meriadoc Brandybuck 2 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted July 11, 2023 Share #335 Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, flyer said: The second picture compares the fabric delivered with the kit (right) Congrats on taking the time to find better material and thanks for sharing your information.!!! The burlap-like junk found in some kits is so far out of scale it is shameful and have completely ruined many otherwise very nice looking models. Allan Edited July 11, 2023 by allanyed Meriadoc Brandybuck and flyer 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share #336 Posted July 12, 2023 the spritsails and John Harland James Lees in 'Masting and Rigging English Ships of War' explains nicely the different elements of the bowsprit rigging but doesn't always indicate what's right and wrong. Additional information such as own research or flawless kit plans are needed. John Harland is the author of 'Seamanship in the age of sail'. Actually I was just looking for some information about how to set spritsail yards and eventually a sail. But then I found in his book a very interesting chapter about spritsails (page 85ff.). A few questions were answered but still more raised. What he writes, especially about the sprit topsail, had me thinking. He states that - and I hope I understood him correctly: When the flying jib boom was introduced together with the flying jib, immediately the dolphin striker and martingale stay followed to hold the new boom down. However the martingale stay made the setting of the spritsail topsail impossible and the spritsail topsail yard became useless and disappeared. The martingale backstay at first made an almost vertical return to the bowsprit to allow the spritsail to be set. Later the martingale backstay was led directly to the bow, thus preventing also the spritsail to be set and it passed into disuse as well. The proposal of the kit to have dolphin striker and spritsail topsail yard simultaneously seems illogical although John Harland states that this configuration may be seen on contemporary models and even on today's HMS Victory. On the other hand the way the martingale backstay is set up, which initially baffled me, is now explained. So I seemed to have 3 options: - scratch the dolphin striker again and set both spritsail yards (yay - all that work on the 2 replacements for nothing!) -scratch the spritsail topsail and its yard and have a somewhat ambiguous situation with a dolphin striker and no flying jib boom. - add a flying jib boom (yay again!) Then I noticed that just on John Harland's book cover a situation like the second one seems to be depicted. Also, if you had to take in the flying jib boom for some reason, you would leave the dolphin striker in place . So, option two was it. Additionally he stated that near land the spritsail was never set because it hampered the forward vision from the quarterdeck too much. Finally he explains that when sailing by the wind the spritsail yard was triced up also without a sail set and the guys on the lower or weather side were hauled taut to give additional downward pull to the jib boom. Conclusion: I will scratch the spritsail topsail and it's yard and adapt the rigging of the spritsail yard accordingly. The spritsail yard with a furled sail will be triced up by about the same amount as all the yards are braced. I will also add the missing guys to the spritsail yard. In this Thomas Luny painting (found in the web) Bellerophon is depicted with dolphin striker, flying jib boom and without spritsail topsail yard. Another Thomas Luny painting (also found in the web) showing a two-decker with similar configuration sailing by the wind and showing the triced up position of the spritsail yard. CiscoH, ccoyle, AON and 3 others 6 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted July 13, 2023 Share #337 Posted July 13, 2023 I think this highlights the difference between a sail plan as an exhaustive diagram of all the sails a ship might set at any given time (well, except they usually don't depict studding sails) versus the routine sails actually used in prevailing conditions. Practices changed over time, and the rig would be modified to suit the season or locale. It's interesting to read log excerpts (like in the book Nelson's Ships by Goodwin) to see what sails were noted as set or taken in depending on various changes in conditions. I suppose you could phone the NMM for a copy of the Bellerophon's log? Meriadoc flyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted July 13, 2023 Share #338 Posted July 13, 2023 17 hours ago, flyer said: Conclusion: I will scratch the spritsail topsail and it's yard and adapt the rigging of the spritsail yard accordingly. The spritsail yard with a furled sail will be triced up by about the same amount as all the yards are braced. I will also add the missing guys to the spritsail yard. I think you made the right decision. flyer 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share #339 Posted August 20, 2023 spritsail yard and sail A by 30% reduced and furled spritsail was bent onto its yard. Without the spritsail topsail yard the rigging could be a bit simplified. On the other hand I did add the guys according to Lees' description. The yard was triced up by about 20°, as on the painting above. I rather like the dynamic impression Bellerophon gives with this arrangement. Knocklouder, Techtonic, KARAVOKIRIS and 14 others 13 4 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkingmaddbarry Posted September 8, 2023 Share #340 Posted September 8, 2023 On 7/24/2017 at 5:22 PM, flyer said: i live near by the greenwhich museum i will pop in and have a lot and take pics of the painting Hi Tony Thank you. Regarding the victory plans, I don't know for sure which of the 3 ships they are representing but as the basic variant is Vanguard it should be her. Some differences among the sister ships might show up during about 30 years after being built. There is an oil painting in the NMM in Greenwich with the title 'Scene in Plymouth Sound in August 1815' (BHC3227) which was painted in 1816 and should be a quite reliable source. Unfortunately the small reproductions in the web don't show the exact details of the disputed area. Your Bellerophon is a gem and I hope you will post more pictures. Cheers Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted September 9, 2023 Share #341 Posted September 9, 2023 Looks fantastic!! Love the sails! flyer 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkingmaddbarry Posted September 18, 2023 Share #342 Posted September 18, 2023 On 8/6/2017 at 9:50 PM, mtaylor said: Peter, If you don't have it, get a copy of "The Billy Ruffian" by David Cordingly. I think the photos of paintings alone will help you. Plus there's a "reconstructed" set of plans by Norman Swales on page 12. Unfortunately, I've not been able to find a hard copy of just plans alone. page 12 it is mort stoll and flyer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share #343 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) fore topmast staysail This as well is set furled. By reducing foot and leech each by 20%, I got a sail area of roughly 2/3 of that on the plan. The sail was again made in a simplified way and bent to the fore topmast stay. Because I did earlier rig the preventer stay above the main stay I had to set the staysail on the stay itself. Perhaps thismeans, that the arrangement of the stays is in fact incorrect. The sail was bent to the stay with robands and all lines were added. While now furling the sail tried to follow the explanations of John Harland in 'Seamanship in the age of sails' - as well as I understood them. The outcome doesn't look to bad and after belaying the lines, I'm now ready to move on to the last sail, the jib. plan with reduced sail area sail set, not yet furled ...and furled looking ok Edited October 9, 2023 by flyer GrandpaPhil, Thukydides, davyboy and 7 others 10 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share #344 Posted October 15, 2023 do kit designers dislike travelers? or setting up the jib stay Since I started making the sails I had problems with one of them: I simply didn't like the cut of that jib. Although in the book Bellona of the AOTS series the jib looks similar or perhaps even stranger than that on the kits plans, all other sources showed quite differently cut jib sails. First I tried to reshape the sail more in accordance with Lees explanations. Very slowly I finally realized, that in the kit the jib sail was wrongly set on the fore topgallant stay and the jib stay completely omitted. I guess sometime during the making of the bowsprit I was glad not to have to make a traveler for the jib stay assuming that on a 74 a different arrangement was used. Well, it wasn't. Furthermore I think, I never met so far a kit with a decent traveler included. Perhaps there were some approximations like combining stay and out hauler and leading the stay directly through the hole in the jib boom which represents the sheave or setting up a simple ring around the bowsprit. But after seeing how much thinking goes into representing beautiful, detailed stoves which are mostly invisible on the finished model a decent traveler shouldn't be asking too much for... Fortunately the necessary cheek blocks on the fore topmast are included in the instructions. So, the difficulty was only to set up the traveler around the finished jib boom. I searched some stiff brass wire with 0,7 and 0,4mm diameter in the leftover box and bent the 3 parts: ring around the bowsprit, shackle for the stay and hook for the tack of the sail. Owing to the reduced availability of material and my clumsiness the parts are rather a bit oversized. Shackle and hook were finished with a bit of soft solder, threaded onto the opened ring, the whole forced onto the jib boom and the ring closed and soldered. While the jib boom was protected with some masking tape the whole arrangement was now painted. A small block was fixed to the ring for the down hauler. As jib stay I fixed some 0,5mm black thread to the shackle, led it up and through the starboard cheek block on the fore topmast and down the fore channels. I set the end up with a simple tackle, hooked into a ringbolt on the channel. The out hauler is 0,5mm natural thread (slightly oversized again), leading through a hole in the outer end of the jib boom (this represents a sheave) and back towards the portside knighthead. Again it is made fast with a simple tackle, hooked into the lower part of that knighthead. Now I made an adapted paper template to test the jib sail and found it looking definitely more convincing. the skipper checks the parts of the traveler the ring is not yet soldered finished traveler in place jib stay through the starboard cheek block jib stay tackle inboard of the shrouds in hauler set up with a tackle to the knighthead - its end is belayed in front of the skipper adapted jib sail template on the new jib stay scrubbyj427, Kingspoke, GrandpaPhil and 7 others 10 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted October 17, 2023 Share #345 Posted October 17, 2023 My guess on the strange otherworldly jib in the Bellona AotS drawing is that it’s an old, strictly light airs maneuvering sail that never featured in many paintings. I don’t recall seeing anything like it anywhere. Meriadoc flyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share #346 Posted November 9, 2023 jib sail Several tries were necessary to find an adequate size for the jib sail. To me it was clear, that the kit's plan for the sail was grossly unfitting. Trying to draw one following the description in James Lees in 'Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War' was more difficult than expected. Several attempts were tested with paper templates just to prove unsatisfactory. Finally I tried to use the same proportions in regard to rigging and the other sails as Pandora's jib in the ATOS series has. Judging by eye it looked about right. To bend the jib to its stay I used again figure-of-eight robands. The tack was hooked into the traveler and the rigging set up with help of the kit plans and instructions and some clarification by Lees. Now I only have to install the anchors, to check the natural hang of all lines and to clean up everything... Oh yes, and to find a suitable berth for a rather big model... trying to find the right size - the smaller blue outline is the final one detail of the peak all sails are now installed mugje, Knocklouder, AON and 11 others 11 3 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share #347 Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) anchors A suitable stream anchor was added to the 5 anchors from the kit, all completed and stored. A conflict for space occurred between the sheet and bower anchors and the lower stun sail booms. The only way I could think of, was to place the anchors on top of the booms. Thus, to set booms you have to move them from under the anchors. Anchor buoys were formed with some 2-component putty and hung into the shrouds. As I understand anchors were buoyed and buoys should therefore be shown whenever a cable was bent to the anchor making it ready for use. For size I used information from John Harland who writes that '... the anchor buoy was in length one-quarter the length of the anchor shank, in diameter, one-eight...'. port side with sheet and bower anchors and the extra stream anchor lashed to sheet anchor stream anchor the cable is attached to the bower anchor and the cat block with tackle is hooked into the ring starboard with sheet and bower anchors and the kedge anchor lashed to the sheet anchor kedge anchor anchor buoy stowed in the fore shrouds the buoy rope lashed to the anchor Edited December 23, 2023 by flyer KARAVOKIRIS, Meriadoc Brandybuck, Kingspoke and 6 others 9 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share #348 Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) empty belaying pins and ringbolts, loose ends Despite having to overcome a shortage of usable belaying points on the forecastle there were still a few unused pin positions on the poop deck. Also unused ring or eye bolt positions around main and mizzen mast had to be filled. The kit instructions put eye bolts into those locations. However I think that ringbolts, allowed to lie flat when unused, would be more sensible when mounted on the deck. I didn't find much about that in the web but thought it would be easier to run about on deck if you wouldn't have to fear to catch your bare feet in a ring, take a tumble and break your ankle. To imitate a ringbolt with a small fixed ring which encloses the movable one tightly, I bent an eye bolt 90° and put a drop of glue onto it to simulate the fixed ring. After fixing all loose ends I could find, finally...finished! the way I fabricated the imitated ringbolts unused ringbolts around the mizzen mast foot fore mast foot with eyebolt(with tackle) to the left and one of the empty ringbolts lying flat on the deck moderately busy scene on the finished forecastle the skipper seems quite fond of his ship - and so am I... Edited December 26, 2023 by flyer GrandpaPhil, AJohnson, Kingspoke and 15 others 12 6 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted December 26, 2023 Share #349 Posted December 26, 2023 Hi Peter, congrats to that beautiful model, she looks great with the sails and you did do a great job with the rigging... Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share #350 Posted December 26, 2023 Thank you, Nils. When I see what quality you achieve, scratch building your Ergenstrasse, I appreciate your compliment even more. Oh, and a very happy new year! Peter Mr Whippy and Mirabell61 2 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted December 27, 2023 Share #351 Posted December 27, 2023 Merry Christmas, happy New Year, and congratulations on finishing your lovely 74 before the year ended! This was quite the project. Can’t wait to see the victory album! Meriadoc Mr Whippy and flyer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techtonic Posted December 28, 2023 Share #352 Posted December 28, 2023 Congratulations Peter on completing a superb build! I've been following along with great interest and have stolen quite a few of your ideas for my Bellerophon. flyer 1 Quote Complete: OcCre HMS Beagle 1:60 Amati Victory Models HMS Pegasus 1:64 In Progress: Amati Victory Models HMS Vanguard 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 28, 2023 Share #353 Posted December 28, 2023 Congratulations! That is a beautiful model in every respect. flyer and Mr Whippy 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted December 28, 2023 Share #354 Posted December 28, 2023 Congratulations! Very nicely done! flyer and Mr Whippy 2 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted December 28, 2023 Share #355 Posted December 28, 2023 Brilliant! Congratulations! Mr Whippy and flyer 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted December 29, 2023 Share #356 Posted December 29, 2023 Peter, Very nice indeed - Looking great !!! Congrats 🍺 Mr Whippy and flyer 2 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugje Posted December 29, 2023 Share #357 Posted December 29, 2023 Congratulations with finishing this stunning ship! Quite a epic journey and wonderful result flyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #358 Posted December 29, 2023 changes, amendments and mistakes The biggest changes were the dummy gun carriages on the gun deck and the cast gun carriages, the stern decoration as well as leaving of the spritsail topsail and its yard. The most rewarding improvement, in my opinion, were the dummy carriages. Thank you, Michael (md1400cs). On any kit which includes such dummy guns, installation of a sort of dummy carriage should be tried. Minor amendments were the changed curve of the stern, the scuppers, the sails fabricated my way, the flag, shot garlands, the captains skylight, the taffrail, the rudder chains, the anchor bolsters below the fore channels, the traveler on the bowsprit, anchor buoys and several minor changes. The biggest, uncorrected mistake is probably that I did set up the preventer stays above the stays, thus having to hang the staysails onto the stays themselves. slightly reworked gun carriage for the upper gun deck and dummy carriage for the lower gun port with dummy-carriage and -gun / carriage and no gun / gun and no carriage the elephant was scratched away and replaced by a epoxy-cast of Bellerophon finished transom with new rail on top spritsail without topsail and traveller on the bowsprit, holding the jib stay Meriadoc Brandybuck, mugje, Knocklouder and 5 others 8 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #359 Posted December 29, 2023 Thank you all for the compliments as well as for all the support carrying me through this build. And a very happy New Year to all of you! Peter Mr Whippy, ccoyle, Meriadoc Brandybuck and 1 other 4 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #360 Posted December 29, 2023 conclusion After more than 6 years, I'd say it was a rather longish journey but I really had a lot of fun along the way and it was definitely worth the effort. The outstanding quality of the kit and the possibility to build 3 different ships makes it easy to overlook a few shortcomings, such as questionable details in the rigging plan or the very questionable gun carriages. On the plus side are also things like the very detailed plans such as the sail plans, the boats or the many fine details to build bulkheads or stern and side galleries. A perfect kit where you may build just out of the box without research or rounding out with additions might be just a bit dull - I will probably find out more about that with my next project. In any case this kit enables you to build a wonderful model of a 74, the backbone of the wooden walls protecting Great Britain during the Napoleonic wars. Finding a good enough place to present the rather large end result is another story... a few final pictures. BenD, mort stoll, Knocklouder and 9 others 6 6 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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