druxey Posted July 10, 2014 #541 Posted July 10, 2014 I go away for a couple of weeks and find out that you've had to make a major save, Toni. Isn't it amazing what we can sometimes miss? Glad it was fixable! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted July 10, 2014 Author #542 Posted July 10, 2014 Danny, scary that we had the same issue. After I discovered the problem I simply walked away and did nothing on her until the next day. Of course, then you are second guessing yourself. I remeasured both sides bow to stern and found no other issues other than a slight rise at the stem, which will be dealt with when I frame the forecastle deck. Well, Druxey, I guess you simply can never go on holiday again! Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
tlevine Posted July 11, 2014 Author #543 Posted July 11, 2014 Now that I was happy with the elevation of the quarter deck clamp, it was time to finish the quarter deck transom. The middle and inner counter timbers fit into slots on the aft end of the transom. The slot has to be cut at an angle fore and aft as well at side to side because of the shape and slope of the counter timber. The upper face of the transom is shaped to the curve of the quarter deck beams. A rabbet is cut into the fore end to accept the deck planking. The extensions on the ends of the transom are for the waterways. Everything was going well until I discovered that I had cut the top of the transom too thin. Luckily, I cut the rabbet to the correct thickness and so added a thin layer of wood to build up the aft portion of the transom. This line can be seen looking from the stern but will be covered up by the stern planking. The last two pictures show everything glued up and brass bolts inserted into the feet of the counter timbers. I will touch-up these bolts with black paint after final sanding. dgbot, Aussie048, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted July 12, 2014 #544 Posted July 12, 2014 Good going, Toni: but the starboard end of the transom seems higher than the port end. Compare it with the wing transom: or is it the angle of the photo? Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted July 12, 2014 Author #545 Posted July 12, 2014 Druxey, thank you for your astute observation. When I saw the photo I went back and measured everything...again. The angle of the photo is part of the problem; the difference is actually barely noticeable. The position of the quarter deck transom is correct. The starboard end of the wing transom is lower than the port, giving the illusion that the quarter deck transom is uneven. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Remcohe Posted July 12, 2014 #546 Posted July 12, 2014 Very nice Toni, tricky but fun to make right? Remco Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
dgbot Posted July 12, 2014 #547 Posted July 12, 2014 How many times over the years has Murphy's Law been around in this hobby. As a result we always have to look over our shoulder and double check everything to make sure he is not around. When my nephews were still in elementary school one of them brought me a kit of a Pt109. Nice kit for the time and asked me to help him build it. I spent the next few weeks of vacation helping him out. Murphy showed up when I was not looking. I was showing him how to detail with a brush and left the room. I came back and he had switched from a bottle of testors enamel to their bottle of liquid glue. Needless to say I am not sure whose face was more surprised his or mine. When you are 7yrs old it is all a game. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
druxey Posted July 13, 2014 #548 Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) I have a scintilla of doubt, Toni: could it be that the model is leaning slightly to starboard on its baseboard? Sorry to be OCD about it! I'll shut up now. Edited July 13, 2014 by druxey Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted July 13, 2014 Author #549 Posted July 13, 2014 Druxey, I think we are all at least a little OCD if we participate in this hobby. I went back and remeasured everything again. It appears the last time I corrected the elevation the pieces shifted when I clamped them. So I unglued everything, remade the aft starboard deck clamps and rebuilt it yesterday. To prevent the same problem from happening again I glued the quarter deck transom in place and then added the deck clamp after the transom was secured. No pictures yet, but I am much happier with the results. I appreciate you and everyone who alerts me to problems. As you know, when one looks at something for a long time you stop seeing the problems until they are pointed out. gjdale, Erebus and Terror, Elia and 2 others 5 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted July 13, 2014 #550 Posted July 13, 2014 I sometimes view my work in a mirror. Things can pop out at you that way. Glad you've corrected what could be a huge headache down the road! Elia, dgbot, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted July 14, 2014 Author #551 Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Next on the agenda is the helm port. I worked on this while the stern was being rebuilt so the corrections will not be evident until the next posting. The helm port is a opening in the counter to allow the rudder to pass into the ship. It needs to be large enough to accommodate the rotation of the rudder. It is comprised of three pieces, two side pieces and a chock and in construction is very similar to the bowsprit chock. (Loosely translated as a right royal pain in the stern.) At first glance you would say "two straight pieces and a chock, what's so hard about that?" The straight edges' lateral pieces are cut an an angle to match the taper of the sternpost and the cant of the inner counter timbers. Once that is set, the chock was started. The chock not only has the same side angles as the lateral pieces, but must also lock into their top edge. After I was happy with the fit, I traced the curvature of the inner counter timbers onto the over-sized pieces and sanded in the top and bottom curvature off the model with a Dremel. The opening in the helm port is perpendicular to the water line. The aft end of the chock was left rough at this point and will be finished when the knuckles of the counter are shaped. Edited July 14, 2014 by tlevine mtaylor, Jeronimo, ianmajor and 17 others 20 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
dgbot Posted July 14, 2014 #552 Posted July 14, 2014 Toni? This might sound like a silly question but I have to know. Are you working from a template that you drew up or are you freehanding? If freehanding you have more courage than I. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
tlevine Posted July 14, 2014 Author #553 Posted July 14, 2014 David, I made a template of the space between the inner counter timbers to give a general outline for the piece of wood to cut. Next, I sized the piece to fill the entire space between the timbers, cutting the opening for the stern timber. I made sure the wood was thick enough to accommodate the inner and outer curvatures. The opening for the rudder was drawn on the piece as were the cuts for intersection with the chock. After cutting away everything aft of this point I was able to make the hole for the rudder and install the side pieces. The chock was formed by careful fitting and refitting and refitting. SawdustDave, Martin W, dgbot and 2 others 5 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Remcohe Posted July 16, 2014 #554 Posted July 16, 2014 Indeed a tricky set of parts, but they came out really nice. Remco Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
tlevine Posted July 22, 2014 Author #555 Posted July 22, 2014 A belated thank you Remco. And thank you everyone for the likes. A little progress has been made. In order to fit the counter planks the ship had to be "launched" from its building board. This marks the first time I have removed it from its home since fairing the exterior of the hull over a year ago. No champagne was wasted in the launching but I did toast it with a little homebrewed IPA. I have also done a little more fairing of the lower transoms and cut off the aft ends of the ribbands. The lower counter was covered with five rows of planks. These are cut to shape rather than attempting to edge-bend them. The planking started next to the stern post and progressed outwards. The exact shape of the cut-out on the outermost plank will await fabrication of the rudder. There are a few points in every build where decisions need to be made which will impact everything else going forward. I am at one of those points. I have decided to attack at least some of the hull planking next. The decisions to make are: how much to plank, what materials to use and what finish to apply. I will be leaving the starboard side with ribbands and hairpins. The port side will be completely planked. The main wales will be castillo that will be colored black. I made test pieces using india ink, archival marker, ebony stain (oil and water based) and paint. Ink is very messy but dyes the wood well. I found the archival marker too time consuming but it does a good job of dying the wood. Regular marker will bleed with oil based finishes. The castillo is to dense to take up stain readily. I have opted to paint the wale black with Poly S model railroad color Engine Black. I used this same approach with Hannah. I am still uncertain about the rest of the planking. It boils down to aesthetics... Two colors vs. several. I am leaning towards only two colors but I'm a girl so I have the right to change my mind at any time. I measured the top and bottom of the wale from the plans and marked the points on the hull. I then ran a row of pin striping tape above and below these points and faired them to a smooth run of planking. Elmer Cornish, druxey, Remcohe and 18 others 21 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
mtaylor Posted July 22, 2014 #556 Posted July 22, 2014 It sounds promising, Toni. I like the choices in wood although I'm partial to swiss pear on the planking. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
dgbot Posted July 22, 2014 #557 Posted July 22, 2014 Looking good Toni, but I thought Testors bought up Poly S and discontinued it? David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
tlevine Posted July 22, 2014 Author #558 Posted July 22, 2014 Mark, although I like the look of unsteamed pear, I find swiss pear too pink for my taste. I am going to cut some planks of pear, holly and pau marfin (in addition to costello) and see what I like best. David, I didn't say the paint was bought recently . It is left over from my Victory build so it must be at least 10 years old. Landlubber Mike and mtaylor 2 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Landlubber Mike Posted July 22, 2014 #559 Posted July 22, 2014 Really gorgeous work Toni. I'll be curious to see what wood/finish choices you decide on, as I'm going through the same considerations on my Pegasus. Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
pete48 Posted July 22, 2014 #560 Posted July 22, 2014 Hi Toni, Amazing work , very impressive . she looks fantastic Best Regards, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
Trussben Posted July 22, 2014 #561 Posted July 22, 2014 Nice Toni, I think two or three colors is enough for my tastes, maybe boxwood above the wales and holly below, should contrast well with the black wales and my Swiss pear, that's what I'm thinking anyway. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
tlevine Posted July 23, 2014 Author #562 Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks, Pete. Mike and Ben, I will make my final selections in the next few weeks. The first order of business will be to install the wales. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
tlevine Posted August 8, 2014 Author #563 Posted August 8, 2014 It has been a while since I have posted anything new...but I have an excuse. I was performing nautical research in the Tetons and Yellowstone. For you non-US folks, these are two national parks adjacent to each other in the Rocky Mountains. First I had to research the types of water craft used on Jackson Lake. This photo was taken from our campsite. We had rain and so drove up to Yellowstone. We had never seen Old Faithful and decided to act like tourists. There is a lovely grand hotel called the Yellowstone Inn that overlooks the geyser. It was built by the railroad in the '20's to promote travel in the West (which had to occur via rail since there were few passable roads). Walking back to the car I looked up under the eaves and saw...compass timbers! So much for the nautical research. The rest of the time was spent hiking and enjoying a phenomenal wildflower display. Jay 1, capnharv2, dgbot and 11 others 14 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
dgbot Posted August 8, 2014 #564 Posted August 8, 2014 I am glad you had a good time. I went to Yellowstone years ago. David B rth385 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
gjdale Posted August 8, 2014 #565 Posted August 8, 2014 Looks like a wonderful "research" trip Toni. Thanks for sharing the photos. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
druxey Posted August 8, 2014 #566 Posted August 8, 2014 Thanks for sharing your vacation with us, Toni. Now, back to model-making! Jay 1 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
dgbot Posted August 8, 2014 #567 Posted August 8, 2014 A breath of fresh air and a chance to unwind and enjoy god's beauty is a must for all. I am glad you had a great time Toni. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
SawdustDave Posted August 8, 2014 #568 Posted August 8, 2014 Looks like you had a wonderful trip Toni. Enjoyed your photos. Dave Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com
tlevine Posted August 8, 2014 Author #569 Posted August 8, 2014 Thanks everyone. The first strake of the main wale has been installed. I hope to finish it over the weekend. Pictures forthcoming. druxey 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
mtaylor Posted August 8, 2014 #570 Posted August 8, 2014 Excellent research. I have a mental image of you dickering with the desk clerk and manager about buying one of those compass timbers. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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