chris watton Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share #1021 Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, ErnieL said: Sphinx will be impressive. I was gonna say a 28 but I’ll take any frigate I think that Sphynx is a nice size, not too big, not too small, and noticeably larger than the 16 gun Swan Class. Designs are well beyond those of Fly/Pegasus, though, even Victory. The drawback is the sheer amount of laser cut parts and materials for it, making it more expensive, but as easy to build as it can be. For the much larger kits, I may have to hold back on the designs (making them more traditional and stay at Amati Victory levels), though, as prices would start to get too high, as I do need them to sell... KentM, mtaylor, coxswain and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share #1022 Posted September 29, 2020 Still in pre-prototype stage, but am now ready to start laser cutting for the actual prototype model, now that I have worked out all essential patterns required. These pics will not reflect the actual model, as the inner bulwarks will be wood, plus there gave been quite a few minor changes to everything... DelF, Nunnehi (Don), Richard44 and 34 others 37 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 1, 2020 Share #1023 Posted October 1, 2020 Coming late to this conversation, as usual, but I've been building a model of the Sphynx class frigates in 1:96 scale. I'm trying to keep the overall length of the model to a reasonable size. At 1:96 the overall length from jibboom to transom is a bout 2 feet. I started out at 1:64 and soon realized that there would be few places in a home that could accommodate the length. In any case, I find the hull lines much more pleasing than the Swan class for about the same bang for your buck. Tom Canute, chris watton, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted October 1, 2020 Share #1024 Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 2:41 AM, chris watton said: These pics will not reflect the actual model, as the inner bulwarks will be wood, Chris, Will the inner bulwarks be planked or just painted? Canute and mtaylor 2 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share #1025 Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Chuck Seiler said: Chris, Will the inner bulwarks be planked or just painted? I will paint the inner bulwarks red for the prototype. The modeller can paint or varnish as they wish. (Spirketting planks added once deck laid) Canute, KentM, JpR62 and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 1, 2020 Share #1026 Posted October 1, 2020 Chris, Sphynx has molding (moulding?) strips along the hull which Alex has done nicely in his version which is at a larger scale. Are you able to provide such detail in the kit? Tom Canute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share #1027 Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, TBlack said: Chris, Sphynx has molding (moulding?) strips along the hull which Alex has done nicely in his version which is at a larger scale. Are you able to provide such detail in the kit? Tom Alex is a master model maker, making unique models, but only one model, with no consideration required for manufacturing hundreds of the same. What I will do is laser etch the detail (as per Duchess of Kingston yacht), as I cannot get any strip with such mouldings at this small size. Plus they end up in scrolls - better to have the whole rail as one so they 'flow' as they should, as far as I am concerned. Most kits supply 1x2 or 1x1mm wood strip for these parts. I am already worried that I am adding too much to this kit, which increases costs.... mtaylor, Canute and KentM 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted October 2, 2020 Share #1028 Posted October 2, 2020 As I have recently learned with Cheerful , moulding can be easily scraped from strip wood and a piece of filed brass. No need to increase kit costs. Even not scraped as a plain strip it can serve the purpose. Chuck Seiler, Canute, VTHokiEE and 4 others 7 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted October 2, 2020 Share #1029 Posted October 2, 2020 17 hours ago, chris watton said: I will paint the inner bulwarks red for the prototype. The modeller can paint or varnish as they wish. (Spirketting planks added once deck laid) Thankee 👍 Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 2, 2020 Share #1030 Posted October 2, 2020 I'm with Glenn on the subject of mouldings. Provide the strip and a drawing of the profile. Let it go and move on to the next issue! Tom Chuck Seiler, chris watton, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share #1031 Posted October 2, 2020 Here is the final version of the main gun deck, complete with engraved chequer plating at the stern. This will be fitted to my prototype model and is cut from a scrap piece of veneer, hence the darker than usual colour variations... p.hoek, JeffT, coxswain and 25 others 28 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted October 2, 2020 Share #1032 Posted October 2, 2020 nice looking deck! Canute, mtaylor and BenD 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 4, 2020 Share #1033 Posted October 4, 2020 This thing is going to be fantastic! BTW, Chris, I don't know what you are using for plans, but my source was devoid of pin rails at the base of the masts, so I had to add them to provide for proper flow of lines. What will you do? Tom mtaylor and Canute 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share #1034 Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, TBlack said: This thing is going to be fantastic! BTW, Chris, I don't know what you are using for plans, but my source was devoid of pin rails at the base of the masts, so I had to add them to provide for proper flow of lines. What will you do? Tom I always buy copies of every original plan there is of each subject. These are the basis for the hull, decks and fittings (where and when shown). For detail that isn't shown on the plans, I have plenty of books for reference - the Anatomy of the Ship Pandora is of great use for this particular development, as this is not much bigger than Sphynx and would share a lot of the details for fittings. The ships stove would be slightly smaller, though, according to the tables in The Arming and Fitting of English Men of War. There are belaying pins, but there seems to be no Mizzen bitts and rail at all for this particular class. Am assuming a pin ring or cleats near the foot of the Mizzen... mtaylor, Canute, dkuehn and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted October 12, 2020 Share #1035 Posted October 12, 2020 Chris! Just got my copy of Speedy. It seems like I ordered it yesterday, so I have this thought: We'll call you Speedy (maybe even Sir Speedy {we'll have to talk to the Queen about that}). Which means the ship is named after you! Anyway, thanks for the wonderful service. Tom hollowneck, chris watton, Ryland Craze and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share #1036 Posted October 16, 2020 OK, Duchess of Kingston will be available for pre order very soon, as it is almost ready. In the meantime, I had a set of cast black resin cannon barrels arrive, including a PE sheet for each. I am selling the 9, 12, 18, 24 and 32 pounder cannon barrel and carriage sets in pairs, which include the laser cut pear, photo etched parts (including flintlocks) and 2 cast black resin barrels. https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/cannon-carriages/ I also had sample castings for the carronade barrels, which look fine, so will order production sets to be made. Again, I have the PE sheets done for these, just need the barrels cast now. I have been working on my 7th kit, Sphynx, but because I am no back in full time employment, things are going slower than I would like. Still, get something done every day when I have the spare time. The short 9 pounder barrels (7 foot, as opposed to 8 or 9 foot versions) have been cast by MK, and the figurehead and stern decoration is being carved (digitally) right now, so everything's still moving forward... egkb, Ryland Craze, Wacom and 25 others 28 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 16, 2020 Share #1037 Posted October 16, 2020 Chris, What length are the 12 Pounders - equivalent to the L / M / S versions? Gary Canute and mtaylor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share #1038 Posted October 16, 2020 12 pounders are 46mm long in total, so are the 8'6" type (for the 50 gun Bristol) I do have some 37mm 12's, but not cast yet. These are for 12 pounder frigates, rather than the larger vessels. Also have a short 18 pounder for 18 pounder frigates (42,8mm), but this too needs to be cast for production parts. All barrels are for larger vessels at the moment (being around 48mm long in total) mtaylor, Morgan, glbarlow and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted October 16, 2020 Share #1039 Posted October 16, 2020 Bristol? 😲 Squirrel!! Just kiddin' Guns look great Chris will the carronade elevation screws be cast or brass? The photoetch accoutrements look so much better than traditional items... Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share #1040 Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ASAT said: Bristol? 😲 Squirrel!! Just kiddin' Guns look great Chris will the carronade elevation screws be cast or brass? The photoetch accoutrements look so much better than traditional items... The elevating thread bars were originally part of the casting, but they proved too fragile so I got rid of them and added the hole to which a length of brass rod will fit into, to simulate the threaded bar. If I had kept the threaded bars, I would have had around 75% scrap rate. glbarlow, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #1041 Posted October 21, 2020 OK, thanks to Jim Hatch (who has really helped me this year), the Duchess of Kingston is now available for pre order. All work for manual, plans and box art complete and just sent off to the printers. https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/duchess-of-kingston/ My wife told me she wants to keep the prototype model in the living room, as she seems to love it, too! Now I work on Sphynx. This will take time to develop, as I want to continue the same design philosophy I used for Duchess, only on a much bigger scale (and of course, I am back at work full time) - but this does take a lot more time than simply drawing out a bunch of bulkheads and supplying wood strip for the hard work. But, I hope, more modellers will be able to do a great job without having to need master modeller skills. And those that do, the sky's the limit! I have been working closely with Master Korabel to produce the short 9 pounders for this model. I received the samples today and they are quite stunning. Exact scale even down to the diameter of the trunnions, and finished in a nigh on perfect looking dull black. I will have more sizes made by them in the future. In the meantime, I am planning to have the 32, 24 and 18 pounder carronade barrels cast (and the early 12 pounder carronade with trunnions - plus a short 18 pounder for 18 pounder frigates). Would there be anyone interested in these, so I know how many to have cast? Cheers Chris Ronald-V, marktiedens, VonHoldinghausen and 20 others 23 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolin Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1042 Posted October 21, 2020 Pre-order placed! Bobbuild, mtaylor, dkuehn and 1 other 4 Current builds Meta - Billing Boats - Pentikontoros - Navarino Completed builds Swampscott Dory - BlueJacket - Will Everard - Billing Boats - Bohuseka (Swedish west-coast rowboat) - scratch build - Medieval long-ship Helga Holm - scratch build - Sloop from Roslagen - scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1043 Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, chris watton said: OK, thanks to Jim Hatch (who has really helped me this year), the Duchess of Kingston is now available for pre order. All work for manual, plans and box art complete and just sent off to the printers. https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/duchess-of-kingston/ My wife told me she wants to keep the prototype model in the living room, as she seems to love it, too! Now I work on Sphynx. This will take time to develop, as I want to continue the same design philosophy I used for Duchess, only on a much bigger scale (and of course, I am back at work full time) - but this does take a lot more time than simply drawing out a bunch of bulkheads and supplying wood strip for the hard work. But, I hope, more modellers will be able to do a great job without having to need master modeller skills. And those that do, the sky's the limit! I have been working closely with Master Korabel to produce the short 9 pounders for this model. I received the samples today and they are quite stunning. Exact scale even down to the diameter of the trunnions, and finished in a nigh on perfect looking dull black. I will have more sizes made by them in the future. In the meantime, I am planning to have the 32, 24 and 18 pounder carronade barrels cast (and the early 12 pounder carronade with trunnions - plus a short 18 pounder for 18 pounder frigates). Would there be anyone interested in these, so I know how many to have cast? Cheers Chris Congrats Chris on the new pre-release! I know there has been a lot of interest in this kit.. I noticed you mentioned you are working on the Sphinx. Is there any pics or drawings of her lines? Google searches have me all over the map on which ship you are looking to develop. Again.. congrats on the new release Mike Draper BobG and mtaylor 2 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #1044 Posted October 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Kusawa2000 said: Congrats Chris on the new pre-release! I know there has been a lot of interest in this kit.. I noticed you mentioned you are working on the Sphinx. Is there any pics or drawings of her lines? Google searches have me all over the map on which ship you are looking to develop. Again.. congrats on the new release Mike Draper Thanks Mike. This is the one I am developing: https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/lines-and-profile-plan-of-the-sphinx-1775-j4272?variant=9699771220012 Like the Fly, but bigger. I did initially intend to do Atalanta, another Swan Class, but figured that too many others are doing this class now, and wanted to bring new classes to the market, rather than re-treads. At this early stage, at least. So r Atalanta was replaced for Sphynx. Rustyj, BobG, ccoyle and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1045 Posted October 21, 2020 Congratulations on the new release - I'm going to hold out for Sphynx but wish you the best on orders for this new and different model. I doubt there is anything like it out there, here's hoping it's a big hit! Rik Thistle, BobG, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1046 Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Thanks Mike. This is the one I am developing: https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/lines-and-profile-plan-of-the-sphinx-1775-j4272?variant=9699771220012 Like the Fly, but bigger. I did initially intend to do Atalanta, another Swan Class, but figured that too many others are doing this class now, and wanted to bring new classes to the market, rather than re-treads. At this early stage, at least. So r Atalanta was replaced for Sphynx. Chris: Great choice. I agree on your strategy of bringing new classes of ships into the kit development fold. She has beautiful lines. I assume she will be fully rigged? Mike Draper chris watton, BobG and Canute 3 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #1047 Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kusawa2000 said: Chris: Great choice. I agree on your strategy of bringing new classes of ships into the kit development fold. She has beautiful lines. I assume she will be fully rigged? Mike Draper Of course! BobG, Canute and Kusawa2000 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkuehn Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1048 Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, bolin said: Pre-order placed! I just did the same. I've been looking through the construction manual and it looks like it will be a fun build. Canute, BobG and chris watton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1049 Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, chris watton said: Thanks Mike. This is the one I am developing: https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/lines-and-profile-plan-of-the-sphinx-1775-j4272?variant=9699771220012 Like the Fly, but bigger. I did initially intend to do Atalanta, another Swan Class, but figured that too many others are doing this class now, and wanted to bring new classes to the market, rather than re-treads. At this early stage, at least. So r Atalanta was replaced for Sphynx. I don’t think there has ever been a Portland Class ship kitted?? 😀 Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1050 Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, chris watton said: Of course! And another plank on bulkhead or plank on frame? (I do apologize for all of the questions but its a interesting project!) Mike Draper Canute 1 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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