HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48

[garthog]

Not only is your work looking great, but your photography is superb!  Of course the text is done well also but I spend quite some time examining your photos - great job!   Have fun rigging the rest of the cannons ...

 

garthog

[bartley]

On 3/19/2021 at 3:36 AM, glbarlow said:

 

 

 

 

Then it’s off to the lathe for its first real use. I left enough stock on the end for the chuck to grab onto. I had been concerned (not sure why it was never an issue when I did it with a drill before getting the lathe) that there would be too much wobble not having both ends steady. It proved not to be a problem by using my right hand to steady the end while the left hand did the rounding. I used only various grits of sandpaper, 150, 220, 320 and 400 as I progressed, no tools needed. I took the measurements at incremental points along the stock (here the bowsprit, same thing for the mast) and stopped to check them frequently with digital calipers. I can’t put it back on, better to take it slow and enjoy the massive amount of sawdust it creates.

 

At least for this task there isn’t a huge difference in the lathe and the hand drill in doing the rounding. The big difference is the quick on/off to do checks and the placement and hold of the stock makes things easier than holding a drill. Some of the jigs I’ve seen for holding a drill are likely just as good, but the Proxxon DB250 is inexpensive and worth the price as I’m sure there is more I’ll do with it later. Another plus pointed out by Derek is the ability to push the wood thru the chuck which though not needed for masts and bowsprits will come in handy later for spars.

 

 

 

Hi Glenn,

 

Great work once again. 

 

On the subject of lathes I would be interested to know how you go about turning thin spars on the Proxxon when you do not have any central support and no tail stock.  I did consider buying this but it seems to have limitations. You will have seen my home built job before. 

 

 

Before I installed the central bearing , I experienced considerable wobble on thin spars.  They were in danger of shattering but also it produced a strange shape which is hard to describe where the center diameter is kind of offset from the ends.  I know on the Proxxon you can run the spar through the chuck but does this not produce a whipping motion?  It certainly does on mine.  I only  pass my spar through the left hand board (the opposite side from the drill) when I need to turn a rebate in the end of the spar and then it only protrudes about half an inch past the bearing so that I can use a small chisel to reduce the diameter of end which is supported by the bearing.

 

John

[glbarlow]

14 hours ago, bartley said:

You will have seen my home built job before. 

 

Thank you for your comments. Yes, you've shared your approach a couple of times on your log and mentioned your concern over lathes on my log before, though this is the first time you've included your photo here. I will endeavor to provide a detailed response so that we might put it to rest, at least here.

 

I've successfully used the hand drill on my 9 prior models without incident, doing no more than holding it in one hand and the sandpaper in the other. No roller blades bearings, stands or tail stocks were needed to quite successfully make masts and spars of any length. I'm not sure how many I've turned of varying sizes on my 9 prior models but its a lot. I'm sure the handheld method is one done by many people, in fact I think @Chuck mentions this approach in the monograph we both follow in building Cheerful.

 

I've posted the photos of the main mast and bowsprit I turned on the lathe. To this point that's all I've used it for of any consequence, I'm not as far as you on the build and have yet to apply it to spars and booms. You could check out @DelF excellent log on his build of Speedy, he's been quite successful using it for all his work - at 1:64th scale. I am quite pleased with the smooth, well-shaped, identical to plan pieces my mast and bowsprit turned out to be.  I have none of the scratches you mention as my final step is to run a very fine sanding stick up and down the piece solely to smooth it and of course the WOP and paint do the rest.

 

To further try to answer your specific question, and perhaps better answer a good one asked by @BobG, I experienced a great deal of wobble when I first put the main mast in the 3 jawed chuck, however I determined I'd just set it poorly in placing the 4 sided stock into the 3 jaws of the chuck. I adjusted and reset it better and found I had little to no wobble at all. What little there was was easily eliminated by holding the far end lightly (so as not to burn my fingers) as I applied the sand paper with the other as I described in my post. I'm fairly confident that the main mast is the biggest, literally, challenge and the smaller spars and booms will go easier - as surely I've seen in Derek's posts on Speedy. I initially thought I might need a tail stock but of course the mast and even bowsprit are longer than this inexpensive tool's base, and it turned out I didn't need it at all and haven't looked back. I might add I think the lower revs may have also helped.

 

In the little experience I've had I've found the quite stable base, the constant revolutions of dial set variable speed, the low and centered weight of the lathe overall, the well designed hold of the 3 jaw chuck accessory (a mandatory addition I think), and a purpose built motor to be a smoother, easier, steadier approach than the re-purposed hand drill I've used in the past. You seem quite content with your quite elaborate home made stand and I'm glad it works for you. For me the bearing in the middle would be problematic in the way in the approach I use to create the taper as I traverse the whole piece to keep it all evenly tapered, shuttling the sand paper up and down as needed to get the required diameters. I need access to the whole piece at once.

 

In short, hand drill by itself, home made holders for one like yours, or lathe are all acceptable ways and all work to one degree or another. I'm pleased with my $198 Proxxon DB 250 lathe. I prefer it to holding my drill and find it does a great job with none of the problems you listed. Should I shatter a thin spar, I'll load up another one until I get the practiced touch to do it right.

 

I hope this answers your questions.

Edited March 24, 2021 by glbarlow

[bartley]

Thanks for your response.  Sounds like it works pretty well,  Glenn.  Yes, I always finish off with a lengthwise sanding to take out any fine marks left by the radial sanding. Of course the center support doesn't have to be there and I didn't use it for my mast. It is only necessary for thin spars and it normally slides anyway so i just have apiece of sand paper on either side and push it pack and forth.

 

John

Edited March 24, 2021 by bartley

[Keithbrad80]

40 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

I prefer it to holding my drill and find it does a great job with none of the problems you listed.

If you want to make something round, nothing beats a lathe, Ive heard good things about the Proxxon mini lathes. It sounds like the perfect machine for tapering masts and spars, if you want to make the work go much faster, use a small roughing gouge to slowly remove material then 150 grit paper to smooth it all out. I do a lot of turning and would never go back to making things round by hand or by drill. Nice work so far on your build, your attention to detail is unreal! What kind of camera do you use? Sorry if that’s been asked before. 
 

Also, if your lathe came with a tail stock I highly recommend using it. I would say my tail stock is engaged 90 percent of the time or more unless I’m hollowing something out, you may find a collet useful if the three jaw chuck doesn’t properly grip the wood, if you don’t have one of those cut a tenon in the foot of the spar and use that to hold it on the lathe. I’m sure you probably know a lot of that already!

 

Bradley

Edited March 24, 2021 by Keithbrad80

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Glenn,

 

thanks for the really nice descriptions. This is very helpful for me.

[glbarlow]

On 3/21/2021 at 9:26 AM, garthog said:

but your photography is superb

I had replied earlier but it seems to have not been saved...

Thanks for your comments Garthog, they are appreciated.  As you know I also enjoy photography, at least I did before Covid and will again after.  In this case though all my photos are done, with a little help on arranging the lighting, by my iPhone 12 Pro along with some basic Lightroom editing.  The iPhone almost matches my DSLRs in quality and is always handy as I work.

[glbarlow]

10 hours ago, Keithbrad80 said:

What kind of camera do you use

Thank you for your comments. I use only an iPhone 12 Pro for the photos.

The bed of my lathe is too short for Cheerful’s mast and bowsprit, hence the light handholding. It does have a tail stock which I’ll happily use for shorter pieces. I’ve only had the lathe a short time, advice on using it is appreciated. 

[glbarlow]

6 hours ago, AnobiumPunctatum said:

This is very helpful for me.

I’m glad that it is, I’m following your Cheerful build and hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine. I’ve learned so much and have done things I had no clue how to do before I started. 

[garthog]

Glenn, do you use any application on your iphone 12 other than the iphone app for photography and your photos?

 

garthog

[glbarlow]

2 hours ago, garthog said:

use any application on your iphone 12

Hey Garthog,

 

The editing software of the iPhone 12 Pro is pretty powerful, but no I don’t use any other phone apps other than that. I do upload the iPhone photos into Lightroom and do a little editing there before exporting them to MSW. A lot of it is getting good light positioned correctly before the photo is snapped.  The jump in quality from iPhone 8 to 10 to 12 and 12 Pro is substantial. 

[glbarlow]

Rigging the Cannons

 

This is something most of us have done, likely many times. True to form however, rigging Cheerful was a different approach and experience for me and once again I learned new things. Mostly following the monograph, here’s how I did mine.

 

 

First up was making the breeching ropes. I used now historical .035 light brown rope from Syren, fortunately I bought all the required rope for Cheerful long ago. I created a simple jig that aided me in sizing each rope to 3 inches in length fitted with an eyebolt and ring on either end, an eyebolt and ring within those for attaching to the gun carriage and a brass rod to form the splice for the button. The photo shows the various tools and materials I used.

 

As I've said before I’m really enjoying the quad hands. It's a great upgrade from the old version I’d used for years, it just makes things easier. In this instance I wanted the breech line seizing to show, so I used common thread. I was ok with 3mm commercial split rings and eyelets on the line ends, as they are essentially equal to the recommended 28 gauge. However I made my own larger split rings for the carriages from 24 gauge wire for a heavier look.  Following the monograph, I used a sharp pointy thing to pierce the rope, dividing it into two lines either side, placed that over the brass rod then used watered down white glue to semi-harden it into shape.

 

Once I’d settled on a process and finished one, I then did 13 more. With those made I attached one to each gun carriage off the ship. Really no need for a jig to do this, it’s just a matter of gluing in the eyelets either side.  I did not attach the splice, I wanted to pull the rope back out of the way when I mounted the guns on the ship.

 

 

I mounted the guns using Smith Industries Maxi-Cure Extra thick CA glue, I use Smith Industries Medium CA for everything else but in the case of the guns I want the extra strong bond the Maxi-Cure provides. I applied a small dab on each wheel, held the carriage above the deck (don’t drop it Glenn, don’t drop it…) as I guided it through the port, then outboard by the barrel as I lined it up to the port opening. It’s a dicey moment or two as I set the carriage carefully down onto the deck, first the front wheels then the back. I breath for the first time in 30 seconds then move to the next one. Once the maxi-cure sets I’m comfortable the guns aren’t going anywhere.

 

Once mounted I attached the breeching rope to the bulwarks, placed the splice onto the button, and did a little shaping of the hang of the line. The size of the splice is set so it’s a tight fit, precluding the need for any glue that would mar the barrel, again guidance from Chuck’s monograph.

 

 

Back to the quad hands to make up the gun tackle using Syren .012 light brown rope, small 3mm PE hooks, and Syren 1/8th single blocks. I may not have needed to use all four hands, but it did make it easier by doing so (I loosened everything up for the photo to make it easier to see). The hands hold the block on one end and the hook on the other with the running line through the seizing line at the head of the block. The rope is looped then seized, in this case using tan fishing lure line, or as I like to call it some blond lady’s hair, though hair may be thicker. Through experimentation I learned there is very little space between bulwark and gun carriage eyelets, the tackle needs to be tightly done to fit, and it this instance I didn’t want the seizing to dominate.

 

I know there are many ways, means and methods to seizing blocks, the figure eight loop and seizing is the way I prefer. I would like to sort out how @Chuck does it so precise and neatly but until then this is the best I can do, it works for me. I’ve literally done hundreds of these over the years and can pretty quickly knock them out.

 

 

It comes off the quad hands as shown on the bottom of the photo. I tie the running line using half hitches, a knot I can slide tight to the block and firm to itself. I had tried seizing here as well, but it took up too much of the limited space on board so I switched to the half hitches. Once I did one I did 27 more, ok really like 34 more, I didn’t like how some came out.

 

 

Then it’s time to make up rope coils. I have done the flemish coils (or whatever they’re called) on a prior model and I may do frapping on a future one. In this case I wanted natural looking coils that vary in appearance as though done by different gun crews and left laying out of the way, semi-neatly but not Admiral’s inspection ready. So that’s what I did using .012 line wrapped four times around a dowel, wet with very watered down white glue so as not to cake. Taken off the dowel after drying and trimmed I then basically mashed each with my finger. I made more than the 28 required to get what I wanted - the mashed finger approach is not a precision method. I also wrapped half to the left and half to the right to have them coiled appropriately either side of the gun.

 

 

The hooks of each tackle were connected to both bulwarks and carriage and gently tightened. As you can see there isn’t much space to work with. To be clear though, this is not a scale problem, I checked it with mini-me:-). The blocks are the appropriate size, the carriages of the carronade are just shorter and smaller than a cannon of that scale and of course the guns are completely drawn in tight to the bulwarks. I’m going to miss Syren rope, it is so authentic appearing. I suppose some day I’ll have to learn to make it with a rope-walk like many do and many more will do with it no longer being a Syren offering.

 

 

The running line is snipped and glued to the deck with CA.  The coils were added, glued on top with Aliphatic Resin for its colorless appearance and longer setting time. This allowed me to position the coils such that they appear to be a continuation of the tackle (I know, gun rigging 101).

 

 

 

And with that the carronades are mounted and rigged, the cannon at the bow will wait until the next step of installing the bowsprit and winch. The tackle is already made up, I just need to take stock of the limited space.

 

Next up is mounting the deck furniture I made up long ago and that will be it for finishing the hull.

 

Thanks for stopping by, the follows, comments, and likes are very appreciated.

Edited March 30, 2021 by glbarlow

[bartley]

Looks good Glenn. 

 

You are catching up to me fast!  My Cheerful is almost on hold at the moment.  This is the beginning of the autumn sailing series on Moreton Bay so that uses up Wednesdays .  The community Orchestra in which I play is also in full swing.  I bought a new A$4000 clarinet last year so I need to make it worthwhile.  No wonder I can't afford power tools for modelling!

 

I shall keep following your excellent work.

 

John

Edited March 31, 2021 by bartley

[glbarlow]

Thanks John.  Must be some expensive wood in that clarinet. Good for you, I can’t play anything musical despite the required attempts of my elementary school band teacher long ago.  

[Moab]

Beautiful, very clean work...Moab

[bartley]

4 hours ago, glbarlow said:

Thanks John.  Must be some expensive wood in that clarinet. Good for you, I can’t play anything musical despite the required attempts of my elementary school band teacher long ago.  

Yes Glenn,

 

The wood in the best clarinets is grenidilla.  Only the heartwood  of this increasingly rare tree is black and the surrounding wood is pale yellow but here are other things like the machining and shape of the holes the silver alloy in the keys etc etc.  The best ones are hand made of course.  The worst thing is that hey do not improve with age like violins.  I am not sure why that is.

 

Cheers,

 

John

[glbarlow]

4 hours ago, Moab said:

very clean work...

Thank you for saying so!

[Blue Ensign]

Hi Glenn,

 

Beautiful work on those guns, a joy to behold. 👏🏻

 

Just a point to check, should the cut-outs for the anchor cables be in the Main hatch gratings rather than the Fore hatch, if not I’ve made a major error on my build🤔

 

B.E.

[glbarlow]

15 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

Main hatch gratings rather than the Fore hatch, if not I’ve made a major error on my build🤔

Thanks BE. Good catch and one I figured out after I did it. I appreciate your mentioning it. It was my error.
 

I’ve since performed surgery, removing and replacing the forward hatch. That was fun. 
 

I then decided, following Chuck’s approach, not to include Hawsers at all and will instead tie off the anchors. I couldn’t bring myself to notch the main hatch. This wilI be my first model without anchor cables, so a change of pace I guess. 

[Blue Ensign]

Phew that’s a relief, but whichever way you choose she will look great.👍

 

B.E.

[BobG]

Superior craftsmanship! You're creating a real showpiece, Glenn.

[Nunnehi (Don)]

Glenn, your work is stunning! I have a tutorial folder where I save postings on how to do stuff for future reference - yours is included!

 

Don

[glbarlow]

20 minutes ago, BobG said:

craftsmanship

 

14 minutes ago, Nunnehi (Don) said:

how to do stuff

Thank you both for the kind words. I’m glad the results show well and my posts are of some help. 
 

Also thanks for all the likes!

[DelF]

Superb work on the guns Glenn - I get envious every time I see those cannon. As for the rope, why not get a Syren Rope Rocket? It's so easy to use and produces such good results so quickly you'll never look back.

Edited April 1, 2021 by DelF
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[TimC]

Stellar work.  Extremely neat and cleanly done 

[glbarlow]

1 hour ago, TimC said:

Extremely neat and cleanly done

Thank you for saying so!

 

2 hours ago, DelF said:

why not get a Syren Rope Rocket?

Thanks for the comment Derek!  As to the rope rocket, I’m sure one is in my future.  However I’m glad I have the original stuff for Cheerful.  Next on my list is learning how to use the Service-O-Magic...after I put it together. 

[glbarlow]

Completing the Deck

 

I built all the remaining deck furniture some time ago, now the time has come to mount it on the deck.

 

 

The first step is the tricky one of aligning the bowsprit bits, bowsprit, and windlass so they all connect in the right spots with  the bowsprit in a straight-line with the hull. This is compounded by ensuring the right distance from the forward hatch and that there is room in the crowded port bow for the long gun.

 

 

The placement of the bits drives everything else. Once carefully marked and checked about ten times, I glued them to the deck with the bits having a brass rod inserted in the bottom of each post and drilled through the deck.  I have a spacer held by the clothes pin on the stem, the weight to press the bits tightly to the deck, and tape to keep the bits lined up tight to the bow sprit. This is another of those take a deep breath moments, it’s get it right or start a new model time. Good news, nothing fell.

 

 

 

As I’m coming to the close of the majority of the building it dawned on me how many different glues I’ve used on this model. Each of these has served some specific purpose and have been the glue that holds the project together …see what I did there. I use Smith Industries CA glues exclusively and have for years, you can find it on Amazon if you’re interested. My bottle of Admiralty Paints White glue has served me equally well over a number of models. Of course most know Tite-Bond, I like this version because it dries clear and sets up at about the right speed for me to be able to position things properly. The  small bottle is my ready supply of watered down white glue.

 

 

With the bits set next up is the windlass (not really sequential, as noted all have to be lined up together). I have fake bolts on the deck furniture, this was the opportunity to actually have bolts serving a purpose. So after careful positioning the windlass I drilled thru it and the deck and locked it in temporarily with 24 gauge wire. I then removed it to give me room to mount the two chase guns in the bow. As many have noted, the location of the port gun doesn’t make a lot of sense since there is no room to work it, but it looks right sitting there from an overall cosmetic perspective, so there it sits. Once the guns were mounted I replaced the windlass, glued it down, and snipped the wire, creating two new “bolts.”

 

 

I’m quite fond of Wipe On Poly, my deck has multiple coats, I’ve learned however it doesn’t bond well with other parts. Under the bits and all the deck furniture I first used my chisel and  #11 blade to scratch and rough up the service of both the item I was gluing and the deck where it was going. The challenge being to not mar any visible areas. The galley chimney serves as an example but I did the same thing on all the deck furniture. Once again I used weathering powder on the chimney, though this time I used Soot instead of Rust brown. It gave the wood much more of a metal look. As I’ve said before I’ve become a big fan of O’Brien’s Weathering Powders and my pack of specialty soft brushes.

 

 

 

Next up was the winch, again careful alignment for distance from the mast, but easier to manage than up at the bow. Brass pins beneath the posts drilled into the deck. I want to make sure anything that will have rigging is firmly fixed. Tight Bond was used for all the deck furniture along with the pins.

 

 

With that the bow and midships area is complete. I also added the elm tree pumps in front of the companionway but forgot to take photos. After I took the photos I decided to replace all the line of commercial eyelets and ring bolts along the length of the deck with my own using 24 gauge wire giving a beefier look. Time to do some rigging.

 

Thanks for stopping by.

[Rustyj]

Beautiful work Glenn! 

[JpR62]

Great work Glenn and always so many tips and information!

[Chuck]

Nicely done!!!