Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 23, 2013 Author #181 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) .... For large and more detail photos see also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489/page16 Edited October 23, 2013 by Ilhan Gokcay EricWilliamMarshall, sonicmcdude, janos and 4 others 7 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Jim Lad Posted October 24, 2013 #182 Posted October 24, 2013 More beautiful work, Ilhan - well done, mate! John Quote
Blue Ensign Posted October 24, 2013 #183 Posted October 24, 2013 Beautiful rigging work IIhan, and finely made sails. Interesting at that period that there are Leech lines on both sides of the Main sail yet no Bunt lines. B.E. Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 24, 2013 Author #184 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Thank you very much my friends. Hi B.E. thanks for the tip. You are right but indeed there are too many dubious points with this ship. Even the belaying pins were most likely not in use at that period. . I've omitted some of them and also reduced the numbers but some of them remained. As source I've also an article from NRJ and Pastor's AOS "The ships of Christopher Columbus". But I must confess that I've not tried my best. (I don't remember exactly, I've read somewhere that leech lines do exist before the buntlines. But I should check this) P.S. for the moderator. I've attached some pages from a journal and a book. If there is a problem with the copyright I can delete them. Edited October 24, 2013 by Ilhan Gokcay sonicmcdude and Wishmaster 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 24, 2013 Author #185 Posted October 24, 2013 There are two replicas. One of them based on drawings of Colin Mudie (See the article on NRJ). This is the Bristol replica. My drawings are based unfortunately on the other replica built at Bonavista. Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Blue Ensign Posted October 24, 2013 #186 Posted October 24, 2013 Hello IIhan, I wasn't intending to suggest that there was anything wrong with your rigging arrangement, I'm not very familiar with 15th Century rigging, and it is a period where perhaps not unnaturally there is less detailed information than for the later periods I'm more familiar with. However I was moved by curiosity to check in Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the days of the Spritsail Topmast 1600 - 1720. What you show on Matthew are called Martnets and they did run up both sides of the sail, and performed the same function as the more simple form of Leechlines which superceded them around the middle of the Seventeenth Century, although there was the inevitable transition period where the information gets a little hazy. As far as Buntlines go Anderson does suggest that they were in use certainly around 1600, and it would seem odd to devise such elaborate rigging to haul in the Leech of the sail and not fit ropes to help lift the foot of a sail. B.E. EricWilliamMarshall 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 25, 2013 Author #187 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Hi B.E. its ok. Your questions are right but I've no answer. By the time I've found the text about the leech lines and bunt lines. It was from "Mondfeld" and I am not able to comment on the reliability of this information. There are also no traces of foot ropes for that period. Maybe sails are not furled tight to the yard as we think of it but hold together somehow and the yard was lowered to the deck. For my model of Mayflower I've strictly followed R.C.Anderson. But for the period of Matthew there are lots of questions. Cheers Ilhan Edited October 25, 2013 by Ilhan Gokcay Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
klimi Posted October 25, 2013 #188 Posted October 25, 2013 Nice and celan work Ilhan, like your details Pavel Quote current build: Bounty http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/261-hms-bounty-by-pavel-klimes-160-scale-armed-merchant-ship/
Ilhan Gokcay Posted November 1, 2013 Author #189 Posted November 1, 2013 No progress, Only some photos of the general appearance. For large and more detail photos see also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489/page16 mtaylor, Wishmaster, Blue Ensign and 8 others 11 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
rlb Posted November 1, 2013 #190 Posted November 1, 2013 Ilhan, You are making a beautiful model. I really like your decisions on where you have used different woods, and the limited painting. Cheers, Ron Ilhan Gokcay and Blue Ensign 2 Quote Building: US Brig Oneida (1809) HMS Euryalus (1803) Completed: John Alden Sloop
michael mott Posted November 1, 2013 #191 Posted November 1, 2013 Ilhan, your model looks very fine, it looks like you are closing in on a finish. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Jim Lad Posted November 2, 2013 #192 Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks for the photos showing the overall view, Ilhan. John Quote
Ilhan Gokcay Posted November 8, 2013 Author #193 Posted November 8, 2013 Thank you very much my friends. Nothing much left. It will be finished soon. Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted November 13, 2013 Author #194 Posted November 13, 2013 Attached the mizzen sail and belayed its rigging. For large and more detail photos see also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489/page16 Mirabell61, janos, dnputnam and 7 others 10 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Jim Lad Posted November 13, 2013 #196 Posted November 13, 2013 Ah, good, another update of Ilhan's beautiful work! John Quote
Ilhan Gokcay Posted November 25, 2013 Author #197 Posted November 25, 2013 Attached the last sail and the anchors and it's finished. Next I will take photos of the finished model. For large and more detail photos see also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/sets/72157626433922489/page16 firdajan, dnputnam, WackoWolf and 16 others 19 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Yambo Posted November 25, 2013 #198 Posted November 25, 2013 Congratulations Ilhan, she looks beautiful! Quote If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
Jim Lad Posted November 25, 2013 #199 Posted November 25, 2013 Very well done, Ilhan. She's a real credit to you - a beautifully constructed model. John Quote
BANYAN Posted November 26, 2013 #200 Posted November 26, 2013 A very nice model Ilhan, very well executed and presented. cheers Pat Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
mtaylor Posted November 26, 2013 #201 Posted November 26, 2013 Beautiful, Ilhan. Congratulations. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Ilhan Gokcay Posted November 29, 2013 Author #202 Posted November 29, 2013 Thank you very much my friends. Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
sonicmcdude Posted November 29, 2013 #203 Posted November 29, 2013 Congratulation on a beautiful build Ilhan!!! I hope you will start another build soon Quote Greetings, Sinan Build log:TRITON POB 1:72
Jason Posted December 4, 2013 #204 Posted December 4, 2013 Congratulations Ilhan! Your model is beautifully executed, and a very interesting subject. Quote -- Jason www.crowntimberyard.com Current Builds: US Brig Syren MS Imperial Russian Cruiser Varyag - Artwox Model Echo Cross Section: SMSNJ Group Build Completed Builds: 18th Century Longboat MS USS Olympia Encore Member: Nautical Research Guild (NRG)
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 4, 2014 Author #205 Posted September 4, 2014 Uploaded photos of the finished model to the gallery.Some of them are here. Omega1234, Archi, Ferit and 17 others 20 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
hexnut Posted September 4, 2014 #206 Posted September 4, 2014 Wonderful. I assume that your daily job is as a surgeon and a jeweler? At the same time? EricWilliamMarshall 1 Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
BANYAN Posted September 4, 2014 #207 Posted September 4, 2014 Hi Ilhan, I had wondered where you had disappeared, but it appears you were tucked away finishing this gem of a build. very nice finish, cleanly built and presented - an all round beautiful model mate. cheers Pat Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
mtaylor Posted September 4, 2014 #208 Posted September 4, 2014 Congratulations on a very beautiful ship, Ilhan. It's an exceptional piece of workmanship. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Model Mariner Posted September 5, 2014 #209 Posted September 5, 2014 Congratulations for finishing this beautiful model, Ilhan!I hope you have already plans for the next project and I'm looking forward to a respective build log! Klaus Quote Current builds: Berlin 1674 - scratch built - Navy Board Style Mayflower - scratch built (own reconstruction)
amateur Posted September 5, 2014 #210 Posted September 5, 2014 Your models are a joy to look at! Thanks very much for sharing Jan Quote
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