HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans

[Siggi52]

Hello,

Jaager, I think I did't need such a sliding table for my saw and yes, I have my fingers all the time in view and away from the blade

 

So, the first set of gratings is so far ready. But from these curves under the beam you did't see very much 😐 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Siggi52

[Mark P]

Good Evening Siggi;

 

I think that on a model, it is not important to sink the binding strakes into the top of the deck beams. However, the binding strake could be made wider than the other deck planks, as shown in Falconer's deck plan.

 

Thanks for your thoughts on the Establishments. I did check the various copies of I have of these when I was looking through the contracts, and like you, I found no mention of binding strakes. It may have been Thomas Slade who introduced this, but without any evidence we can only say this is possible. He may have learnt this from his brother (or uncle?) Benjamin Slade, who was a shipwright in both Deptford and Woolwich yards, before being appointed as master shipwright at Plymouth.

 

All the best,

 

Mark P

[Siggi52]

Hello,

and many thanks for your efforts Mark. Alexander found in Goodwin's book English Man of War, 1719 establishment list, under gun deck and plank, page 249 binding strakes. The same for the middle deck, under Flat, page 252 and for the upper gun deck also under flat the next page. What is the difference between plank and flat?

 

That means, I have to build them, but as you already said, I do not inlet them. 

 

I have also a little upgrade at the shipyard

 

[Mark P]

Good Evening Siggi;

 

Well done Alexander for finding this. I have several contemporary copies of the 1719 establishment, but I looked more at the 1745 versions, on the assumption that Blaise Ollivier was telling the truth, and they were not official policy before 1737. I should have checked the earlier one just to be sure! Goodwin is quite correct, and has transcribed the establishment word for word. The presence of binding strakes here is interesting: if Blaise Ollivier states that the master shipwright he spoke to in 1637 did not use them, yet they were required by the establishment, the shipwright was presumably not doing as he should have done. This demonstrates very well that Ollivier's comments can only be taken as applicable to the particular yard or yards which he visited, and not as general remarks upon all English shipbuilding. 

 

The flat of the deck is a general term, and refers to the main area of deck planking. This seems to have excluded the end planks at the bow, and possibly the stern also. Often, the first planks in the bows were of oak, if available, to withstand wear better. The remainder of the deck was often planked in deals, except for the two strakes closest to the sides, which were also of oak, to better resist the force of the gun carriages.  

 

Thanks Siggi for some more inspiring researches!

 

All the best,

 

Mark P

Edited January 25, 2022 by Mark P

[Siggi52]

Hello,

and thank you for your likes and Mark for your explanation.

Today the men from the shipyard finished the second group of gratings. But the shipwright discovered already some things they have to repair tomorrow

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

today the man from the Admiralty came, but we had this part ready in time. 😃

 

 

[Wintergreen]

Those mouldings on the bitts are really impressive Siggi.

Well done!

[dvm27]

I certainly agree with Hakan. Those inset molded details on the bitts and cross pieces are fabulous. Do you use a small chisel, scraper or a combination of both?

[Siggi52]

Thank you Greg,

I can't really remember what I used, but mostly a scraper, small chisels and files. It's now over 2 years ago, that I build them. But it was't an easy job, that can I remember very well. But I thought, when they did it in the 18. century, why should I not do it 😉

 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

I finished now also the last gratings at the upper gun deck. But when I started to plan the capstans, I realises that I had build the bases for them too small. 😬

I made the upper flat 24 mm Ø, and I don't know why. The capstans at the Dorsetshire, at the plans for the Tiger they are not drawn, have at there bases a diameter of 28 mm! And at the most plans I looked at, the capstans have nearly the same measurements there.

The stanchions at the front of them came out without any damages, and what a wonder, I had left over two extra 😃 So today I turned two rings to enlarge these bases, as you may see at the pictures.

 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

at least I finished the gratings, ladderways and capstan partners. Also the new stanchions in front of the capstans are installed and the last days I turned the axles and drumheads for the capstans. 

 

 

[albert]

Very very nice.

[Wintergreen]

What Albert said.

 

I need to get myself a lathe, a disk sander, a mini table saw, a, a, a... never mind. Lack the funding.

 

Lovely work Siggi!

[Hubac's Historian]

Beautiful work Siggi!

[Siggi52]

Hello and thank you all for your likes and comments

today we worked again on the capstans

[Dowmer]

You don’t realize how massive these were until put in perspective with the figures. 
well done Siggi

[Siggi52]

Hello,

today only a small update, the upper capstans are ready.

[bruce d]

Beautiful.

[Theodosius]

I always think it's such a shame to paint all your beautiful wood-work, but then your painting skills are also over the top, so, yes, one can't have both at the same time, even if I would love it 🙂

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for your nice comments and likes,

this was the day of the painter, and a real laborious one. But now the capstans are more or less ready. The next weeks I let the paint dry and then I will see if I must smooth the surfaces, and paint again, or not. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[scrubbyj427]

Beautiful work Siggi!

[Chuck]

Outstanding!!!

[Siggi52]

Thank you Chuck and scrubby427 and also all others for your likes

When I took the pictures from above, all men where zack - gone. But later I found the hero of the day, the painter, and asked him to pose for a photo 😏

 

[Roger Pellett]

Siggi,

 

Wonderful as usual for you!   That looks like me painting!😀 As much paint on the painter as on the project.

[allanyed]

Hi Siggi,

Your build log has been a true joy to follow.  I do have a question regarding the joinery of the head ledges and coamings.   I was taught that they overlap rather than connect at a 45 degree angle.   Do you or does anyone here know if both methods were NORMALLY used or just the overlap method where the head ledge rests on the coaming.   The 45 degree angle is surely easier than the complexity of the overlap. 

Edited February 9, 2022 by allanyed

[Siggi52]

Hello Allanyed,

that is something I made may be wrong. But I really did't know what is right. At the Centurion model they build it this way. Why I build it with the 45° angle I can't say now. 

 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello and thank you for your likes and comments,

today the carpenters set the stoppers for the first capstan in. This art of stopper I found at that little 60 gunner I saw at Chatham too. SLR0472

 

 

 

With these stoppers you cold work in both directions with both stoppers. Interesting is also that eye at there ends. Here I think you could set the stoppers, with a rope, from outside of that bunch of men working there rounds here. 

 

 

 

These pieces of wood under the lower chocks prevent that the stopper would escape into the nirvana under the capstan. Only the upper capstans had them at the drawing for the Dorsetshire. So I think, that the lower capstans had no stoppers.

[druxey]

The official name for those stoppers are pawls. Nice detail of the rings attached for a rope. Setting them manually would be dangerous! I thought that they were kicked by foot, but this shows that wasn't the way it was done. Thank you for pointing  this out, Siggi. It looks as if the end that engages the whelp of the capstan is a solid block.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

thank you druxey, I have so my problems with names, even in German. I don't think that these pawls where the normality, so mostly you see the two pawls  side by side, one for each direction and without these rings at the end. So I think, that when they stop turning around, one man in the middle push the pawl in and „then“ the others could relax. 

But at least I have also the pawls for the back capstan installed. The next things then are the ladders.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the ladders are ready! That means also, the gun deck is ready 😃

But one after the other, here are the parts of the puzzle

 

And here the puzzle is completed

 

And here the carpenters have them installed, the shipwright is very pleased. 

 

 

 

and all together in the totale.

 

I'm wondering that I never saw a model with rails around, at least, the ladder way in the waist. Did't they had there none? And there are also no holes for them, so I think that they may not had them. Only the ladder way for the officers up to the quarter deck have rails. 

 

The next thing then is planking the upper gun deck