Canute Posted January 19, 2023 Share #61 Posted January 19, 2023 Yeah, John Wayne on the roof with a Winchester rifle ala "Stagecoach" with Andy Devine driving 6 horses to Tombstone. mtaylor, Old Collingwood, bruce d and 1 other 3 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 19, 2023 Share #62 Posted January 19, 2023 21 hours ago, Canute said: Yeah, John Wayne on the roof with a Winchester rifle ala "Stagecoach" with Andy Devine driving 6 horses to Tombstone. And most of the movies, the "gunner" had a shotgun and pistol. No rifle. Old Collingwood, Egilman and bruce d 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 20, 2023 Share #63 Posted January 20, 2023 usually the gunner was protecting the coach and occupants. Rifles were unwieldy. How often did they get pursued across salt flats by the native tribes? It's just Hollywood's version of history. And J.W' first starring vehicles. I'm a fan of old JW. Old Collingwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 20, 2023 Share #64 Posted January 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Canute said: It's just Hollywood's version of history Yep, you cannot believe anything from Hollywood about history, for them it's all about the story and not the facts... The term "Riding Shotgun" came from Hollywood.. In reality, there weren't many stagecoaches that carried Money, Gold or Bullion... According to Hollywood, almost all of them did.... the "Wild West" wasn't really as wild as it is made out to be over the decades of hollywood... Old Collingwood, Canute, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted January 20, 2023 Share #65 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) Just now, Egilman said: Yep, you cannot believe anything from Hollywood about history, for them it's all about the story and not the facts... The term "Riding Shotgun" came from Hollywood.. In reality, there weren't many stagecoaches that carried Money, Gold or Bullion... According to Hollywood, almost all of them did.... the "Wild West" wasn't really as wild as it is made out to be over the decades of hollywood... Most people wouldn't realize it, but old Florida was about as wild as wild could be when it was opened to settlers. Besides the bandits and outlaws, the environment was hostile to say the least. I know because my family was part of it and the tales were passed down to we children. Even then, stories might have been embellished or altered to some degree. I do know my family herded and sold cattle for gold and had to transport that gold back home across rugged terrain and guard against bandits. All done with wagons and horses. Oh, and I should have added, this was at a time when there were no lawmen roaming about to help. A single federal marshall made a circuit from town to town picking up prisoners arrested and held/jailed by ordinary citizens. Many outlaws and bandits, maybe most, never made it into custody. They were dealt with on the spot. As a matter of fact, many settlers came during period when congress initiated the Armed Occupation Act. Settlers who came were required to arm themselves and defend themselves because no support infrastructure was in place. Not until much, much later did that happen. Decades. Edited January 20, 2023 by CDW Old Collingwood, bruce d, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 20, 2023 Share #66 Posted January 20, 2023 I remember the cattle ranch around Avon Park Gunnery Range. They roamed at will and once we got a cow running threw the tactics area. The Range Control Officer yelled himself hoarse trying to keep our guys from releasing any ordnance. Unfortunately, the cow took a hit and Uncle Sam bought a cow that was KBA -killed by air..We were pretty bummed by that. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, bruce d and 2 others 3 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 20, 2023 Share #67 Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, CDW said: As a matter of fact, many settlers came during period when congress initiated the Armed Occupation Act. Settlers who came were required to arm themselves and defend themselves because no support infrastructure was in place. Not until much, much later did that happen. Decades. Absolutely... There was no law and everyone had to defend themselves... Where people gathered, it was a very polite society... Everyone helped everyone else as well for the most part, survival was an everyday thing back then, they didn't have time for all the social engineering tomfoolery we now deal with today... Old Collingwood, CDW and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 20, 2023 Share #68 Posted January 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, Canute said: I remember the cattle ranch around Avon Park Gunnery Range. That's free range territory, it happens from time to time.... mtaylor, CDW, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted March 12, 2023 Author Share #69 Posted March 12, 2023 Decorations and Embellishments: Although these are not in the plans I have seen some pictures of Wells Fargo coaches with scrolls below the side windows and in other places. I have made these before from brass plate for scrolls on ship models but for some reason I had much more trouble this time. Anyway here is the final result: Now it is finally time to attach the cabin to the chassis. This was constructed at the beinning of this project. As a reminder here it is: I have made up four brackets like these to clamp onto the simulated leather straps which constitute the suspension So next time the chassis will be attached. John BobG, Landlubber Mike, CDW and 10 others 12 1 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted March 12, 2023 Share #70 Posted March 12, 2023 Turning out a magnificent piece of history. I admire your work on it. Canute, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share #71 Posted March 14, 2023 On 3/12/2023 at 12:45 PM, CDW said: Turning out a magnificent piece of history. I admire your work on it. Thanks for your kind words, CDW and others for your likes. Yes, an interesting period of American History - at least in the case of the Concord coach. Stage coaches were operated in Australia as well by a company called Cobb & Co which was in fact set up by two Americans. They were run initially to the goldfields in the 1850's and later between cities and ran well into the early 20th century since our railways were established later than yours. However, they were of much simpler design than this one. The cabin was simply a straight planked box with no decoration, although they did sport the Concord suspension system. John Old Collingwood, CDW, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share #72 Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Attaching The cabin to the chassis: Before the chassis is attached the mounting steps need to be constructed and attached. These have several components all made from 1.5 mm brass tubing: The upper (straight part is bent to shape as shown in the last picture. The lower part is bent into a U shape/ All the parts are drilled with 1 mm holes so that they can be held together by the brass plate as shown in the third picture. A step is glued to the loerer part and the whole assembly attached to the under the cabin like this: You will also notice a strengthening strap made of 3mm brass strip has been added. The Idea of this somewhat complex arrangement is that the lower step could be folded up when not in use. As yo can see the cabin needs too be mounted upside down in order to attach the chassis. The method of attaching the simulated leather suspension can be seen here: Before the front part of the chassis is attached, the Whippletrees are assembled. For those who do not know what these are they are attached to the draw-bar and are designed to spread the load of the horses. The method of fabrication is shown below: A sheet of 5mm cherry is cut roughly to shape and rounded as shown in the top photo. A strip of 5mm brass is wound around the enter and two holes drilled in the ends which will take eye-bolts. Thee whole assemble is painted ice yellow to match the rest of the chassis. They can be seen attached to the draw-bar in the following photo The harness which ran either side of the rear horses would attach to those eye-bolts. So now with the wheels attached and the coach the right way up it looks like this: Edited April 30, 2023 by bartley Egilman, BobG, Haliburton and 13 others 14 2 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted May 1, 2023 Share #73 Posted May 1, 2023 Magnificent work, John! Canute, Egilman, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted May 1, 2023 Share #74 Posted May 1, 2023 that is lovely Egilman, Old Collingwood, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share #75 Posted May 3, 2023 Thank you, Bob and Kevin for your kind words. Just a bit of luggage to go on the roof and then its complete. John Canute, Old Collingwood, BobG and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share #76 Posted May 11, 2023 Luggage and final tweaks: A few Items of luggage such as a suitcase, a trunk and a hatbox were all constructed in essentially the same way. A wood frame was constructed and then ech was covered with dark brown Nappa. Hinges and detail were added an the items placed on the roof rack. = And now the completed model:- Thanks for all the "likes" and comments during the course of this build. John Jack12477, hof00, Kevin and 10 others 9 4 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted May 11, 2023 Share #77 Posted May 11, 2023 Very Nicely Done!!! mtaylor, Jack12477, Knocklouder and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted May 11, 2023 Share #78 Posted May 11, 2023 Your luggage and other "leather" work looks great. 👍 mtaylor, Egilman, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 11, 2023 Share #79 Posted May 11, 2023 Beautiful model, John. Canute, Old Collingwood and Egilman 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted May 12, 2023 Share #80 Posted May 12, 2023 Your stagecoach is a work of art, John! mtaylor, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 1 other 4 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartley Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share #81 Posted May 15, 2023 Thank you guys for your kind comments and for all the "likes". It is back to ship building after this - possibly Chuck's Medway Longboat , though it is unavailable at the moment. John BobG, Canute, Egilman and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Medway Longboat Completed Builds: Concord Stagecoach HM Cutter Cheerful Royal Caroline Schooner for Port Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted May 15, 2023 Share #82 Posted May 15, 2023 John, that is a real beauty. Canute, Egilman, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted May 28, 2023 Share #83 Posted May 28, 2023 Really came out great John! Should be the advertisement shots for the model! Canute, Egilman, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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