Jim Lad Posted January 1, 2023 Share #121 Posted January 1, 2023 Greg, Everyday cargo gear is quite straight forward (heavy lift gear can be a bit more complex). First, there is a topping lift (called a span in your second illustration), which lifts the derrick to the required height and then holds it in position. There a several ways of operating this - the most common I came across was a 'monkey face' - a triangular face plate - shackled to the topping lift with a tackle (single blocks) and a chain shackled to the other two eyes of the plate. The running end of the tackle ran through a block on deck and to one of the winch drum ends when the derrick was being raised or lowered. when at its working height the chain was shackled to an eyebolt at the foot of the mast and the tackle let go. The derricks were usually operated in 'union purchase - both derricks operating together; one centred over the hold and the other over the side. The slew of the derricks was controlled by the outboard guys (slewing guy pennant in second drawing) which were shackled to eyebolts on the bulwark capping with a cleat for the running end close by on the bulwark. The span (schooner guy in second drawing) connected the two derrick heads and ran to a cleat (anywhere convenient back near the derrick heel). The preventer guys shown in the second drawing may or may not have been rigged, depending on where the ship was operating. They were required in Australia but not in most of the far east or Europe. The preventers were a single heavy wire shacked to the derrick head and, once the derrick was in its working position, the lower end was shacked to an eyebolt on the bulwark capping using a preventer stopper as in the image below. The idea of the preventer was to act as a safety wire in case the outboard guy carried away under load. Finally there are the runners - the wires that run from the winch drums to the cargo hook via the derrick cargo blocks. in union purchase the two runners are shackled to two eyes of a 'monkey face' and the cargo hook is shacked to the third eye (the mouth?). And you're all ready to load or discharge cargo. when at sea derricks were always stowed. i have done one short voyage with derricks 'flying' but not a good idea. In most jurisdictions a ship was not allowed to sail until the derricks were properly stowed. If this isn't as clear as I think it is or if you need any more detail - yell! John RGL, Canute, Old Collingwood and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share #122 Posted January 2, 2023 Yeah Jim I’m confused ! I’m the bloke in the back row who’s hard of hearing Old Collingwood, ccoyle, mtaylor and 4 others 5 2 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share #123 Posted January 2, 2023 Back to the hull. Re masking the waterline in reverse, a light dusting of white with the airbrush. Next will be the AK salt on the water line clearway, AJohnson, Prowler901 and 8 others 11 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 2, 2023 Share #124 Posted January 2, 2023 Quote Yeah Jim I’m confused ! Just take it one bit at a time, Greg. You need to be able to get the derrick higher or lower - achieved with the topping lift. You need to move the derrick from side to side - use the outboard guy and the span. Maybe you need to make the whole rig a bit safer to use - make sure the preventer is rigged on each derrick. You will ceretainly need to raise and lower goods of some kind - hook on the runner and away you go. John Old Collingwood, Canute, king derelict and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share #125 Posted January 3, 2023 My plan is to have one lowering a torpedo on one side forward and picking up cargo on the other side aft mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share #126 Posted January 3, 2023 Salt on the waterline mtaylor, yvesvidal, AJohnson and 7 others 10 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 3, 2023 Share #127 Posted January 3, 2023 Hmm.... all those blokes in the audience of the lecture are wearing facemasks. I guess COVID has been around a lot longer than we think. LOL. Old Collingwood, Canute, cog and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share #128 Posted January 3, 2023 I can’t see any masks? anyhow, hull pretty much done, rust and grunge Roger Pellett, Prowler901, hof00 and 12 others 15 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEp Ziggy Posted January 3, 2023 Share #129 Posted January 3, 2023 Always fantastic work! Old Collingwood, RGL, Canute and 1 other 3 1 Quote Your Shipmate, Ziggy Current Builds: USS Arizona and Memorial Columbus Ship Nina HMS Blandford Cross-section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwross11 Posted January 4, 2023 Share #130 Posted January 4, 2023 Looking very convincing. A question, what did you use to do the salt? Any tricks required to apply? thanks Bruce Canute, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share #131 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) AK makes a salt product but you need to use it very sparingly as it’s bloody strong, thus I did a white diluted undercoat L. They have a tutorial on Utube Edited January 5, 2023 by RGL Old Collingwood, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted January 5, 2023 Share #132 Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 2:46 AM, RGL said: My plan is to have one lowering a torpedo on one side forward and picking up cargo on the other side aft As long as you do not load the cargo on board your subs, when those are low on explosive cigars 😇 mtaylor, Old Collingwood and Canute 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted January 5, 2023 Share #133 Posted January 5, 2023 20 hours ago, RGL said: AK makes a salt product but you need to use it very sparingly as it’s bloody strong, thus I did a white diluted undercoat L. They have a tutorial on Utube used it on one of my destroyers, maybe it wasn't as strong when I bought my pot of stain Canute, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share #134 Posted January 5, 2023 So days of work, doing the little bits for the deck, vents, winches, bits and Davits. Next in the cue is the guns and other deck fittings before the winches and then the railings. Finally I have a heap of extras to go on the deck plus figures. king derelict, mbp521, Jack12477 and 8 others 11 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share #135 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) Lots of deck details added (you wouldn’t know it. I’ll probably dull down the deck yet, ladders and railings and masts etc etc etc to go. Edited January 6, 2023 by RGL Old Collingwood, mbp521, king derelict and 5 others 8 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share #136 Posted January 6, 2023 Now I’ve used a dark yellow wash to tone down the deck. Grubby but I like it better than the bright tan Old Collingwood, Prowler901, CDW and 10 others 13 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted January 6, 2023 Share #137 Posted January 6, 2023 Vast improvement, RGL. That yellowish tinge didn’t look ver realistic Old Collingwood, Canute, RGL and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share #138 Posted January 7, 2023 Guns and ladders added today. Next will be railings I think. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, mbp521 and 12 others 11 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 9, 2023 Share #139 Posted January 9, 2023 That wash worked a treat for your decks. Big improvement, Greg. 👍 cog, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share #140 Posted January 11, 2023 The cargo booms and the PE fittings. A few days work CDW, AJohnson, Jim Rogers and 9 others 12 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share #141 Posted January 12, 2023 Rigging the single (small) cargo booms. Prowler901, ccoyle, king derelict and 13 others 10 6 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share #142 Posted January 13, 2023 Front mast done. I have it rigged to it will be slinging a torpedo outboard starbord BANYAN, king derelict, knightyo and 14 others 7 10 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 13, 2023 Share #143 Posted January 13, 2023 Greg, If your discharging a torpedo on the starboard side, the the port derrick should be rigged over the hatch square. John Canute, mtaylor, BANYAN and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share #144 Posted January 13, 2023 I’m hopeless of left and right! The subs will be nestled on the left / Port/ Red!!! Canute, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share #145 Posted January 13, 2023 A lot of rigging for one day. yvesvidal, BLACK VIKING, LEGION 12 and 10 others 7 6 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 13, 2023 Share #146 Posted January 13, 2023 Amazing work Greg - the master is in his prime - so glad we have you in our forum brother - thank you. OC. Canute, king derelict, Tony Hunt and 3 others 5 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share #147 Posted January 13, 2023 All these cool peoples, how could I not be? Canute, AJohnson, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted January 13, 2023 Share #148 Posted January 13, 2023 Hi Greg, that rigging is really good. Apologies if you have explained on other builds, but what do you use for the rigging threads? mtaylor, Canute and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted January 13, 2023 Share #149 Posted January 13, 2023 That is most definitely a work of art. AJohnson, Old Collingwood, king derelict and 2 others 5 Quote Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted January 13, 2023 Share #150 Posted January 13, 2023 Incredible rigging. What a work of Love and Patience. Yves mtaylor, Old Collingwood, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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