chris watton Posted April 12 Author Share #361 Posted April 12 The good thing about the base (and I was given a choice of intergrated base or no when these were done for me), is that 99% of all supports for the 3-d printing process are limited to the underside of the base, meaning the actual figures have little to no unsightly support 'poc marks' oakheart, Canute, ccoyle and 6 others 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted April 12 Share #362 Posted April 12 6 hours ago, Blue Ensign said: sandpaper until it is very thin Thanks for the tip BE @Blue Ensign the base is pretty thick on this figure. What ever I end up doing, I think I will leave it on the base while I paint it. Tim Canute, chris watton, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted April 12 Share #363 Posted April 12 5 hours ago, Thukydides said: I did this and you have to be really gentle as resin is brittle. First I used a saw to cut off most of the excess, then once there was only the small bit near his feet I used a craft knife to carefully shave it off the bottom in thin layers. The key is to go slow, especially as you get nearer the feet Thanks for the advice @Thukydides you are right, power tools are best avoided in this case. I have a jewellers frame saw which may be best to get rid of most of the base. Tim thibaultron, GrandpaPhil and Canute 3 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted April 12 Share #364 Posted April 12 5 hours ago, Pitan said: scenery below the knee Hi Pitan @Pitan if he is on deck it could look a bit like something from an alien movie if I did that. Thanks for the tip about supporting the leg/foot while removing the base though. Tim CiscoH, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 15 Author Share #365 Posted April 15 (edited) A little update. I am now out of machined pear block sets for the kits. I cannot buy any more because I sourced these from Russia, which, as mentioned before, a sanctioned country. However, I have been in contact with HiSModel, and have ordered 20 Indy kits worth of machined walnut blocks - although these are costing me a little more than the pear machined blocks I had before, but I figured better to have the option than none at all. I will order sets for the rest of my kits that had this option in due course. (Next will be Sphinx and Duchess) Edited April 15 by chris watton Ronald-V, KentM, jpalmer1970 and 26 others 29 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 15 Author Share #366 Posted April 15 DB789, Theodosius, KARAVOKIRIS and 22 others 24 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted April 15 Share #367 Posted April 15 I love it already! Canute, mtaylor, chris watton and 1 other 4 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 15 Author Share #368 Posted April 15 First checking of brand new designs, and much fettling/fine tuning still to do... But overall, quite happy... oakheart, ccoyle, JacquesCousteau and 34 others 37 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodosius Posted April 15 Share #369 Posted April 15 When it is grown up, what will it be? 🙂 But it looks very interesting and promising 🙂 Like! chris watton, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 15 Author Share #370 Posted April 15 27 minutes ago, Theodosius said: When it is grown up, what will it be? 🙂 But it looks very interesting and promising 🙂 Like! HMS Harpy (1796) - Wikipedia DB789, Canute, druxey and 22 others 25 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald-V Posted April 15 Share #371 Posted April 15 Exciting stuff again! SighingDutchman, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted April 15 Share #372 Posted April 15 Excellent! Canute, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted April 15 Share #373 Posted April 15 2 hours ago, chris watton said: HMS Harpy (1796) - Wikipedia So, if you consider instituting double shifts and flogging, how quickly do you think you can get your 'lackey' to have the prototype built? 😉 Kevin, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 4 others 6 1 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted April 15 Share #374 Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, ccoyle said: So, if you consider instituting double shifts and flogging, how quickly do you think you can get your 'lackey' to have the prototype built? 😉 Indy should be finished in the next month, so that'll be the right time to start on this one. ccoyle, Canute, thibaultron and 8 others 11 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 16 Author Share #375 Posted April 16 (edited) I think I have another 2-3 months on designs and building hull to check everything, maybe longer. Those pics are literally the very first cut of the very first designs, and much needs amending. The end result will be a kit of an 18-gun brig with great history in real life, and with partial lower deck detail, including stove, scale spaced deck beams (all pre-cut in pear, and with the correct curves/camber, as usual) - and always trying to make it as painless to assemble as I can, but keeping the detail. I remember doing Snake/Cruiser 25 years ago, that was the last time I did an 18-gun brig. To me, the Diligence Class has more pleasing aesthetics, with a sleeker hull and rake - like a much larger Speedy, but with a much bigger bite* - you can see the natural progression from the Childers and Speedy Class to the Dilligence Class almost 2 decades later, followed by the 'less curvy' Cruiser Class. *Childers/Flirt/Speedy had a single broadside weight of 28 pounds, whereas the later 18 gun brigs like Harpy had a single broadside weight of 262 pounds Edited April 16 by chris watton DB789, Craigie65, Dave B and 22 others 25 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted April 16 Share #376 Posted April 16 Looks very nice. Much 'sleeker' hull than before. What length hull is this roughly? Around 700mm? Thanks thibaultron, BLACK VIKING, Canute and 1 other 4 Simon. Current builds HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Previous HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 16 Author Share #377 Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, BrochBoating said: Looks very nice. Much 'sleeker' hull than before. What length hull is this roughly? Around 700mm? Thanks 700mm! Cripes, Sphinx hull is only just over 600mm long! Harpy was 95 foot along the main deck, so overall hull length is around 526mm (With Speedy being around 440mm) - but with the bowsprit and main boom, I would think well over 800mm Kevin, modelships, Ronald-V and 7 others 10 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted April 16 Share #378 Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, chris watton said: 700mm! Cripes, Sphinx hull is only just over 600mm long! Harpy was 95 foot along the main deck, so overall hull length is around 526mm (With Speedy being around 440mm) - but with the bowsprit and main boom, I would think well over 800mm Hah should really have looked at some of the existing kit measurements first. Thanks. thibaultron, mtaylor and Canute 3 Simon. Current builds HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Previous HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted April 16 Share #379 Posted April 16 This is definitely going to give the Caldercraft Snake/Cruiser model line a run for its money! Maybe this will show whether CC have completely lost interest in new static kit development when some of their established legacy models comes under direct competition. Canute, James H, chris watton and 2 others 5 Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted April 16 Share #380 Posted April 16 25 minutes ago, Beef Wellington said: when some of their established legacy models comes under direct competition. ...Sherbourne. chris watton, jwvolz, mtaylor and 6 others 9 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted April 16 Share #381 Posted April 16 Now I'm really flung into doubt! My next build is going to be the Dutch brig of war "Irene" from Petrejus' book, and I was planning to buy a Caldercraft Cruiser for the basic hull ("Irene" was converted from HMS Grasshopper - a Cruiser class brig) and then scratch build or buy in (from Vanguard as much as possible) the fittings, and bits and pieces. Now I'm wondering whether Harpy would make a much better starting point, because it will have the up-to-date quality of Vanguard models, and the "legacy" kits from Caldercraft do not compare. But perhaps the hull shape of Harpy is too different from the Cruiser class brigs, as Chris intimates above. Chris - I'd be grateful for any thoughts. Nipper thibaultron, Canute, chris watton and 2 others 5 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 16 Author Share #382 Posted April 16 (edited) Cruiser Class was only 5 feet longer along the main deck, and 2 foot broader - both classes carried the exact same armament, but Harpy definitely had the more elegant lines. In 64th scale, hardly noticeable, size wise, but I am sure the nicer rake of Harpy will be. The old kits I did were really just keel, bulkheads, main deck, and lots of planking. The new kits have many times more pre cut parts, with planking usually relegated to the lower edges of the main wale down (for the small to medium size kits at least) Edited April 16 by chris watton mtaylor, Ronald-V, oakheart and 7 others 9 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted April 16 Share #383 Posted April 16 24 minutes ago, chris watton said: Cruiser Class was only 5 feet longer along the main deck, and 2 foot broader - both classes carried the exact same armament, but Harpy definitely had the more elegant lines. In 64th scale, hardly noticeable, size wise, but I am sure the nicer rake of Harpy will be. The old kits I did were really just keel, bulkheads, main deck, and lots of planking. The new kits have many times more pre cut parts, with planking usually relegated to the lower edges of the main wale down (for the small to medium size kits at least) Yes, that confirms what I was thinking. Thanks Chris. So I'll base my Irene on the Caldercraft Cruiser hull, and then I won't feel so bad about hacking it about! Nipper chris watton, Canute, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted April 16 Share #384 Posted April 16 4 hours ago, Beef Wellington said: This is definitely going to give the Caldercraft Snake/Cruiser model line a run for its money! Maybe this will show whether CC have completely lost interest in new static kit development when some of their established legacy models comes under direct competition. Caldercraft hasnt done anything to their Nelson Navy series since the beginning of the 2000s so I dont think we can expect anything from them at all. They have a great line-up of kits but IMHO they are in desperate need of updates but they simply gave up on product development. Just take the plans and manual for the Diana kit as an example. Without seeing others builds on this site, I would be completely lost. The Harpy look indeed very interesting. Taking a first glance at the plans it indeed looks very much as Speedy... but it is much bigger in size. I really need to start the rigging of my Speedy but been caught up in plastic models for a long time now. thibaultron, chris watton, JeffT and 7 others 10 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted April 17 Share #385 Posted April 17 Were Harpy's carronades 32-pounders or 24-pounders? Wiki says 32's, but that's a lot of metal for a brig of a fifth less tonnage than a Cruiser to carry. Canute, thibaultron, chris watton and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 17 Author Share #386 Posted April 17 (edited) 6 hours ago, uss frolick said: Were Harpy's carronades 32-pounders or 24-pounders? Wiki says 32's, but that's a lot of metal for a brig of a fifth less tonnage than a Cruiser to carry. 16 x 32-Pounder carronades and 2 x 6-Pounder long guns - typical armament for all the 18-gun brigs of this period (1796-1815). Harpy was built for such – and don’t forget, carronades are much lighter than long guns. ETA - Although the larger Dasher and Bermuda Class of flush decked ship sloops, which had a main deck length of 107 foot, 12 foot longer than Harpy, only had (officially) 16 x 24-Pounder carronades.. Edited April 17 by chris watton Ronald-V, jpalmer1970, Ryland Craze and 9 others 12 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navarcus Posted April 24 Share #387 Posted April 24 A while back you mentioned 17th century. I know you designed the HMS Prince, but I hope it will lean towards a smaller nicely ornamented 6th rate. There are some simple plans from the Maritime Museum of these I've liked for many years. Canute, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 24 Author Share #388 Posted April 24 2 hours ago, navarcus said: A while back you mentioned 17th century. I know you designed the HMS Prince, but I hope it will lean towards a smaller nicely ornamented 6th rate. There are some simple plans from the Maritime Museum of these I've liked for many years. At some point I shall mtaylor, Canute, hollowneck and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted April 24 Author Share #389 Posted April 24 Many innocent sheets of material died to bring you these pictures... This is the fifth hull I have made up, with incremental changes with each new version. I usually just remove and replace the parts I change, but there are many interlocking parts with this one, that I felt more comfortable restarting the whole hull assembly with all updated designs, so that I know all fits as they should. This will not be the final form, however, but am comfortable continuing using the hull form (which is final) to get more information for parts that fit onto it. Hull has been sanded, ready to take gunport bulwark template (which are next to design) (This will be thrown away once all info has been garnered from it...) mgatrost, Vane, thibaultron and 40 others 38 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted April 24 Share #390 Posted April 24 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Many innocent sheets of material died to bring you these pictures... GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, chris watton and 11 others 2 12 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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