chris watton Posted January 2, 2023 #1 Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) I thought I would start a new thread, as the original was getting a little too big. OK, for at least the next 5 years, I have my developments more or less already mapped out. The subjects cover a wide range of vessels from the 17th to early 19th Century. For 2023, I have three confirmed. The first is Indy (of course). I may add as an optional extra cistern/chain pump housings. This has been my largest development to date, taking well over a year of full time work, and having Jim make the prototype and taking the manual photo pics and text. If I were to do this, then Indy would have been a 2 year development. After Indy, I will have the American schooner Grecian (1812) almost ready, which I anticipate releasing in April/May. I have almost finished the mast and rig drawings, and profiles, so this may come together pretty quickly once Indy is released. From Wiki: Thomas Kemp of Baltimore designed Grecian with several innovations. She was pierced for 20 guns, though she never carried that many, and her gunports were unique, designed perhaps to save weight. She had a long, curving stem, and a shallow, less convex bow. Grecian's first captain was James Phillips, and under him she had made one voyage to France. She received letter of marque No. 944 in December 1813, under Captain Knapp. Not sure how much of that can be trusted, though, as she was not pierced for 20 guns, she has 18, with the fore-most being next to useless due to the distance between port and starboard (very sharp bow, so 7 per side being usable, in my opinion). It seems she had a mix of guns, being more standardised when in the British navy. What I have done is give enough guns for carronades, 6 and 4 pounders. I am sure the 4 pounders were used at the front, due to space issues, with the 6 pounders being nearer the middle and rear - so the modeller will have a choice of what to fit where. After this, I will start on HMS Surprise, and this should be released this year, assuming all goes well. And that's it for now.... ETA - My real love is frigates, as I have said before. If I had my way completely, the next five or six releases would be frigates from 32 guns upwards! But I cannot.... Edited January 19, 2023 by chris watton Canute, Kevin, DocRob and 51 others 48 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
glbarlow Posted January 2, 2023 #2 Posted January 2, 2023 Thanks for sharing Your product road map for the coming year. Canute, AJohnson, thibaultron and 5 others 8 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
chris watton Posted January 2, 2023 Author #3 Posted January 2, 2023 There are the very first cut parts for Grecian - what is there may not reflect the end kit, though... mgatrost, thibaultron, BobG and 37 others 37 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
markjay Posted January 2, 2023 #4 Posted January 2, 2023 Thanks for the update. I look forward to the release of the Grecian😁. thibaultron, hollowneck, chris watton and 3 others 6 Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
BranPie Posted January 2, 2023 #5 Posted January 2, 2023 Can't wait till James starts building that 😊 mtaylor, markjay, hollowneck and 3 others 6 Cheers, Pieter Current build: Polaris (OcCre, 1:50)
Guyuti Posted January 2, 2023 #6 Posted January 2, 2023 Chris, Thanks for the update and the road map for the next year. More models to purchase and eventually build. The Grecian Sounds and looks amazing. Looking forward to the Surprise Regards Guy chris watton, AJohnson, markjay and 3 others 6
GrandpaPhil Posted January 2, 2023 #7 Posted January 2, 2023 I really like how your frameworks lock themselves into place, ensuring the hulls do not twist or warp. That is a great idea! mtaylor, Malcolm Greig, jpalmer1970 and 6 others 9 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
BobG Posted January 3, 2023 #8 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) Thanks for sharing your plans for the new models that you are planning to develop and release in 2023. I think the American schooner Grecian will be wildly successful especially on this side of the pond. All the best in 2023! Edited January 3, 2023 by BobG mtaylor, markjay, mgatrost and 5 others 8 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
James H Posted January 3, 2023 #9 Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, BobG said: Thanks for sharing your plans for the new models you hope are planning to develop and release in 2023. I think the American schooner Grecian will be wildly successful especially on this side of the pond. All the best in 2023! Grecial sure has nice lines! Canute, markjay, chris watton and 5 others 7 1 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: 'Oseberg' Viking Ship (V3) - Pavel Nikitin - 1:25 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
markjay Posted January 4, 2023 #10 Posted January 4, 2023 Just had a chance to to check out the Grecian in "The Search for Speed Under Sail". Oh boy, she has really sweet lines. chris watton, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
chris watton Posted January 4, 2023 Author #11 Posted January 4, 2023 Second pre-prototype. This has a lot of bulkheads! Ronald-V, Oldsalt1950, jpalmer1970 and 43 others 41 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Ronald-V Posted January 5, 2023 #12 Posted January 5, 2023 Looks quite big! What's the hull length? thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
chris watton Posted January 5, 2023 Author #13 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, mugje said: Looks quite big! What's the hull length? Hull Length only - 505mm Overall Length with bowsprit and gaff boom - 878mm ETA - and I had better add - Scale - 1:64th Edited January 5, 2023 by chris watton Canute, Kevin, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Ronald-V Posted January 5, 2023 #14 Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Hull Length only - 505mm Overall Length with bowsprit and gaff boom - 878mm ETA - and I had better add - Scale - 1:64th Tnx! Nice size and shape...looking forward how this one turns out! markjay, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
chris watton Posted January 5, 2023 Author #15 Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, mugje said: Tnx! Nice size and shape...looking forward how this one turns out! Me too! markjay, mtaylor, Ronald-V and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted January 5, 2023 Author #16 Posted January 5, 2023 Oldsalt1950, Paul Le Wol, jpalmer1970 and 29 others 27 2 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Oboship Posted January 5, 2023 #17 Posted January 5, 2023 Thanks for sharing the first impressions of Grecian! That model will be even slightly longer than Cruiser and Jalouse! It will be an interesting build of an impressive schooner. As the Indy for me is regretfully out of the question (not enough space to build/display and most likely beyond my skills 😒...), I am very curious to see the prototype (and price idea) when available. Grecian is surely an option for me to get another VM kit! Best regards Uwe thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5
chris watton Posted January 5, 2023 Author #18 Posted January 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Oboship said: Thanks for sharing the first impressions of Grecian! That model will be even slightly longer than Cruiser and Jalouse! Grecian is surely an option for me to get another VM kit! Best regards Uwe I sincerely hope so! lol Cruiser is 100 foot along the deck, Grecian is 95 foot, so not a lot in it. I suspect the price will be around the same as Speedy. markjay, jpalmer1970, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Oboship Posted January 5, 2023 #19 Posted January 5, 2023 That sound promising! Looking forward to it! thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4
chris watton Posted January 12, 2023 Author #20 Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Today I received the fittings and more fragile laser cut sheet box. This fits within the main box, protecting the parts further when in transit, as the main MDF hull parts are very heavy. Edited December 25, 2023 by chris watton No Idea, ccoyle, Prowler901 and 29 others 29 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Vane Posted January 19, 2023 #21 Posted January 19, 2023 Good luck with the new thread, looking forward to follow it! mtaylor, thibaultron, chris watton and 4 others 7 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Beef Wellington Posted January 19, 2023 #22 Posted January 19, 2023 Looks like a very interesting subject. I'm loathe to post this because of clogging up this thread...but, I wonder if it would make sense to start a new thread specific to each new kit project? Hopefully that will keep people on topic and focused, and reduce the inevitable back and forth with parallel development activities, pet peeves etc. Canute, chris watton, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
chris watton Posted January 20, 2023 Author #23 Posted January 20, 2023 59 minutes ago, Beef Wellington said: Looks like a very interesting subject. I'm loathe to post this because of clogging up this thread...but, I wonder if it would make sense to start a new thread specific to each new kit project? Hopefully that will keep people on topic and focused, and reduce the inevitable back and forth with parallel development activities, pet peeves etc. This thread just updates you guys on what I am up to, there are separate threads/build logs by Jim Hatch which concentrate on each of the new kits. AJohnson, Canute, Vane and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
glbarlow Posted January 20, 2023 #24 Posted January 20, 2023 As Chris notes, these posts already exist in the form of James' build logs for each model. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
chris watton Posted January 31, 2023 Author #25 Posted January 31, 2023 OK, designs for the Baltimore privateer Grecian have been completed, and here are some pics of the 'quick and dirty' build I do, to check final designs. I do mean quick, as this time last week, it wasn't even planked! With that in mind, please note that I have literally threw the bits together on this without too much clean up. All this is for is to check all laser cut designs, to make sure all fit as they should - and if they don't, they are removed, a new part cut and re applied. I have included a lot more ordnance than she ever carried, but if I just included a couple of 4 pounders and a couple of x 6 pounders, I am sure that wouldn't go down so well. So what I have done and will include is a choice. There will be 12 x 18 pounder carronades, 8 x 6 pounder long guns and 4 x 4 pounders. I have gone with a mainly carronade armament, plus a pair of 6 and 4 pounder cannon - but the modeller can change this if they so wish. I will also include a 3d printed 20 foot cutter hull and the laser cut floors, thwarts and oars to go with it. I have included a couple of pics showing its size in relation to Sphinx and Speedy - the latter looks very tubby when sat next to the very sleek schooner! rusty b, VTHokiEE, markjay and 44 others 36 2 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Guyuti Posted January 31, 2023 #26 Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Really cannot wait for this to be released, great job. The Grecian's lines are stunning. Regards Guy Edited January 31, 2023 by Guyuti thibaultron, chris watton and Canute 3
rcweir Posted January 31, 2023 #27 Posted January 31, 2023 All three of them are beautiful. thibaultron, catopower, Ryland Craze and 5 others 8 Bob current build Dutch 17th Century Pinas - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 - Cross-Section upcoming builds past builds Statenjacht - Kolderstok - 1:50 USS Peary (DD 226) - Tehnoart Ltd - 1:96 (gallery) Fluytschip - Kolderstok - 1:72 USS DeHaven (DD 727) - Tehnoart Ltd - 1:192 back on the shelf USS Robert E. Peary (FF 1073) - 1:250 Mayflower - Model Shipways - 1:76.8
Oldsalt1950 Posted January 31, 2023 #28 Posted January 31, 2023 Looks really nice Chris. I assume once this is done you'll be moving on to Sophie. With that said, you know people are going to be clamoring for a Jack Aubury figure to captain her. Jim thibaultron, mtaylor, chris watton and 1 other 4 Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy!
chris watton Posted January 31, 2023 Author #29 Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Oldsalt1950 said: Looks really nice Chris. I assume once this is done you'll be moving on to Sophie. With that said, you know people are going to be clamoring for a Jack Aubury figure to captain her. Jim No Sophie, just Surprise. BenD, thibaultron, Canute and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Oldsalt1950 Posted January 31, 2023 #30 Posted January 31, 2023 Silly me, getting my ships mixed up. Jim Mr Whippy, thibaultron, hollowneck and 4 others 7 Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy!
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