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Michael, great brass work on the lantern. I am looking forward to the engine build which is the part I enjoy the most in my builds. Have a great day!

Ken

Current build: Maersk Detroit"
Future builds:  Mamoli HMS Victory 1:90
Completed builds: US Brig Niagara, Dirty Dozen, USS Constitution, 18th Century Armed Longboat
https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/11935-uss-constitution-by-xken-model-shipways-scale-1768/

 

Posted

Michael...many years ago I was commissioned to build a model of the *Puffin* for my local wooden boat association.

Very similar to your Skipjack.

 

Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

Posted

Hi Rob , that hull does look very similar, I don't suppose you have any drawings of it?

3 hours ago, xken said:

I am looking forward to the engine build which is the part I enjoy the most in my builds

Ken some of the early work on this model was with the Buffalo Engine.

 

Gary thanks.

 

Roger I have done a small Half Model Perhaps I need to do another one.

 

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Yes this one is not really quite right.

 

Michael

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted (edited)

Michael...I emailed the Center to ask about drawings of her hull....waiting.

 

I do have some images of her last refit, and a pic of her prop.

 

Rob

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Edited by rwiederrich

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

Posted

Michael...the Puffin was built in 1906 by the Truscott boat works in St Joseph MI. 21 1/2 ft long 6ft beam.  In their catalog she was called a *Compromise stern*.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

Posted

Thank you rob that is very interesting.

Here is a picture of the stern of Skipjack

 

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Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted
On 3/6/2019 at 10:24 PM, Mark Pearse said:

5 looks good towards the lower part but dips in towards the top, compared to 4 & 6. Visually, it could help to see the pattern if you can temporarily 'turn off' the inner line for each rib.

 

Hello Mark, I am not sure how rib 5 got out of alignment, this is how it was supposed to look.

 

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It was out a good 1 1/2 rib widths, so thank you for spotting that.

 

Michael

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted
1 hour ago, druxey said:

Looks like your inner line became the outer! 

Hello Druxey I can see why you would think that. My thinking and awareness have been so close to the drawing and what line represents what, that clarity for others is sometimes assumed.

the following drawing now modified shows the red outer line as the outside of the lower rub rail, (the top rub rail is left off the plan) the next black line shows the outside of the sheer strake and the top edge of the planking, the red dashed line is the inside of the planking.

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The 2 sets of numbers are large ones are rib numbers, and the small ones are station numbers ( I am probably not following traditional convention )

 

This shows the elevation of the rub rails at rib 5

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and the position on the profiles. The sheer strake is outlined in blue on the profiles. I had to adjust the line of the rub rial on the plan because it was sticking out way too far when I transferred that line to the profile

 

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I am really not trying to confuse you all. I have no idea how the draftsmen of the early three mast fully rigged ships did it, nor the members who have produced new books full of drawings of those same types of ships. My Hat is off to those of you who have done that.

Being able to use different colors has been helpful to me. Now all I have to do is keep the colours consistent on all three views.....I'l get there. A last comment is that working in a cad program Autocad Lt 2000 and, switching to Corel draw 7,  can sometimes be a bit of a spot for confusion because they function differently. I get used to one because I can do some things more easily in it, and other things more easily in the other... I'll stop there.....

 

Michael

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted (edited)

Michael,

 

Steam and gas launches around the turn of the last century was a topic upon which I'd previously done some research, primarily on Fred W. Martin's designs for the Racine Boat Company of Racine, Wisconsin. I did a bit of digging in my files and can pass along the following information on the Truscott Boat and Dock Company, which was a much larger manufacturing concern around the same time as Racine Boat.

 

There is a lines drawing and some photographs of a contemporary Truscott Boat and Dock Company fantail launch in the Historic American Engineering Record on line.  See:  http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Truscott&co=hh

 

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The draft is apparently a modern one done by the Michigan Maritime Museum. Apparently the boat is in their collection. The photographs may be helpful for construction details. The Truscott Boat and Dock Company was in existence until 1948 and was a large manufacturing concern. It went bankrupt after the War. It is possible that the Michigan Maritime Museum has draughts of other Truscott launches and perhaps even one with a "compromise" canoe stern.

 

There's also an interesting 2003 thread on the Old Marine Engine Board about Truscott engines similar to Skipjack's with lots of pictures and drawings. See:  http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3451/1698.html  The original poster, "Curtis" says he has the 1901-1905 Truscott catalogs. Catalogs in those days often had "study plans" lines. Clicking on his name in the post will get you his email address, but his info indicates his last activity was in 2011, so... who knows?

 

Offered for what it's worth. Hope it might be of some help in your research on lines and construction details.

Edited by Bob Cleek
Posted
14 hours ago, michael mott said:

Here is a picture of the stern of Skipjack

At least the rudder is going to be simple to make.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

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Posted

Michael, Will the engine be able to function at a reasonable scale speed? Or is that totally out of the question? I know even less than nothing about miniature engines ( along with quite an array of other things too actually). All the miniature RC stuff seems to go at a scale couple of hundred miles an hour (or knots I guess I should say).>

 

Kurt

Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey

Posted

I'm beginning to understand why a large number of the boat builders of the late 19th century and early 20th Century used half models then lofted on the floor from the model.......just sayin'

 

I have been going to bed cross eyed for the last week.

why do I feel a spell in the workshop at the wood-bench with planes and chisels might be in my future?

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted
4 hours ago, michael mott said:

why do I feel a spell in the workshop at the wood-bench with planes and chisels might be in my future?

Doing is better than thinking when the brain matter reaches a certain age.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

An update, I have reworked the lines for the umpteenth time I revisited all the pictures that I have and further correspondence with Roger. I did cut out all the 23 stations in 3/16 basswood and will now need to revisit those and reshape most of them The keel will need to be remade so at some point i will use the old keel for a freelance model. The stem would be the only thing that could be reused so it will be better to start over.

I am going to build this, now that all the information matches.

 

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and here is a PDF of the plans.

 

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So now I am going to take a break away from the desk and do some cutting.

 

Michael

 

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Thanks for the visits.

Making sawdust. The first set of bulkheads these are cut to the inside of the ribs.IMG_6129x1024.thumb.jpg.c3688b7aefc3930503a59ba43c7bef63.jpg

These are the set for the port side and I have been reworking them, most needed to be jumped to give enough wood to allow for the new shape.

 

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The #11 was trimmed from the #12 and so it goes.

 

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I will use the port set as templates for the starboard set.

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Work continues.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Hi Michael - 

 

Sweet work, and done with a hand saw.  Impressive.

 

It's probably an artifact of the photo, but my eye says that the space between your 5th and 6th bulkheads may be too large to support the arc that the planks will need to take.  As usual, I could be dead wrong.😉

 

Dan 

Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale

 

Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS OneidaSwan 42 racing yacht  Queen Anne's Revenge (1710) SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914),  James B Colgate (1892),  POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration,  SS Mayaguez (c.1975)

 

Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas

 

"Take big bites.  Moderation is for monks."  Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

Posted

Hi Dan not all the bulkheads were place yet.

 

I have now glued them all together after cutting a 1/8th notch in each to give a 1/4 inch by 3/4 inch slot I have dry stacked them to see how it all looks

later today I will cut a piece 1/2 x 1/4 and fix it to a board then assemble the bulkheads with balsa filling between to shape them to the final before making the ribs. after the shaping I am going to make the floors and set them in slots next to the ribs. The top plate for the keel will sit onto the floors then the keel will sit onto it. the ribs are short of the top plate by 1/2 inch according to Roger to create a limber gap running the length of the hull. so the garboard strake will be a key one tying the lot together.

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Brunch is calling

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Well, shut my mouth. . . I should have known that a builder as skilled as you was way ahead of me.

 

Dan

Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale

 

Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS OneidaSwan 42 racing yacht  Queen Anne's Revenge (1710) SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914),  James B Colgate (1892),  POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration,  SS Mayaguez (c.1975)

 

Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas

 

"Take big bites.  Moderation is for monks."  Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

Posted

Well the skilled builder is still on a long learning curve.

today I began adding some spacer filler blocks of Balsa (not my favourite wood I think I had a traumatic experience with balsa airplane imploding on me after winding up the rubber band driven propeller), the Idea is that the bulkheads will get most of the filler blocks added to only one side at first this will allow me to set the position of the floors. and also I can make any minor adjustments in the thickness of the space. I attached the 1/4 x  1/4 spline to the building base with a few 1/2 inch pins and it will be left on the board the bulkheads slide on easily and the balsa spacers are snugged up to the spline but only attached to the upside bulkhead. Once all the bulkheads are built up they will get glued together and then the whole thing will be able to be lifted off the spline register.  This is the plan.

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I am being very conservative with the glueing and just adding a few "buttons" of glue to hold the first bits, I do not want to stick any of them to the spline or base.

 

Michael

 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

All looking quite "ship shape" Michael.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted

I have started to add the filler blocks and will rough shape them before final sanding to thickness and glue up.

 

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I am using a chisel to remove the square edges, no point in sanding more than I need.

 

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The next picture shows the relief slots for the floors which will tie the ribs together.

 

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Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

Posted

Mark 2 Thanks 

The blocking is moving along quite nicely. Today i will work the aft section.

 

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It was very easy being able to glue up the blocking while each bulkhead was flat on the bench after the rest are glued up I will do the sanding to ensure that they match the drawing and eliminate the accumulated error caused by the tiny thickness overage.

 

Michael

 

 

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Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

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