HMS Dragon 1760 by Siggi52 - FINISHED - Scale 1:48 - English 74-Gun ship

[druxey]

Sorry: you are correct, Siggi: the photo of that model that I was looking at does not show that feature. There is a low breast rail! Entschuldigung! 

[Siggi52]

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

 

wish you the captain and his shipyard crew.

Siggi

[dvm27]

Brilliant!

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

yesterday and today I build some fire buckets. At the moment is the result not so good, but I hope when the lacquer is dry, they would look better.

 

 

Here some originals

 

 

 

I would hang them directly under the rail of the breastwork and not so as they made it at the Victory.

 

 

And now I have a question. I did't understand what that captain would like to say:

 

 

..having their lanyards...... what? 

 

Regards,

Siggi

 

I forget to say, that article is from around 1800. There they had often two rails at the breast work.

Edited December 28, 2015 by Siggi52

[Cathead]

Siggi,

 

Apparently ropes (laniards or modern spelling:lanyards) were attached to the buckets. That line appears to refer to how the ropes were stored. A Flemish coil looks like this:

 

 

and would be a very easy way to coil rope into a fire bucket for storage, as it would be out of the way but easy to pull out when needed (no knots). The English language loves to turn nouns into verbs, so in this case "laniards flemished close down inside" means that the laniards attached to the buckets were coiled tightly inside the bucket ("flemished"), disposing of the whole rope easily.

 

At least  that's what it means to me. It might also help to know the rest of the next sentence, which begins "some ships that do not stow", as it might shed light on this, assuming that sentence tells what happens on ships which don't stow their buckets and laniards in this manner.

 

 

 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello Cathead,

 

thank you for these information. When I understand that right, there was a rope attached to the bucked, so that they could get water out of the sea, if they not used a bucket chain. But I think, that lanyard I must not attach to the bucket, because you would't see it.

 

Here the rest of that passage, it has nothing to do with the fire buckets 

 

 

If some one is interested in the whole book, look at goggle books

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

[kees de mol]

Very fine shipmodelling. Thank you for sharing!

[AON]

we called that type of coiling of the line "cheesed"

[Mike Y]

Hm, so the buckets were exposed to rain, and some rope was stored inside. Shouldn't it just end up with rotten ropes inside the wet bucket?

[Cathead]

Heh, good question Mike. Perhaps they had drainage holes in the bottom? 

 

Siggi, thanks for sharing the rest of the passage, I'm disappointed to be wrong that there's no further info there. 

 

I'd love to see any other ideas, mine was just supposition based on my understanding of the language used.

[mtaylor]

Siggi,

 

I think that "flemished" for the lanyards the key.  If we assumed the lanyards are the handles, then the ends are flemished through the eye.  Have a look at the picture of the buckets and how the rope is attached.  I suspect that is the "flemished".  I did some Googling and the term generally is for when a rope passes through an "eye" such as that on the bucket and is how the rope is tied off.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

Mark, I think I go with your explanation. I found similar explanations, but was't sure. The lanyard as a handle and flemished as smooth, flat. That rope coil I found also under flemish flake and that make sense if it means flat.

 

Thank you all for your help. The bucket are looking better today and after a second layer of lacquer they will look pretty good. But before I could install them, I first have to build the rail.

 

Regards,

Siggi

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

yesterday I finished the rail and this morning we hang up the buckets. The captain gave all for the rest of the day free.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

[Gaetan Bordeleau]

Very nice build. I especially  like the effort you bring for the colors.

I guess at the end you would put the model in the Museum and everybody would think it was always there.

[Flamborough]

Hello Siggi,

great work, I hope that I get to watch it once !   

 

Monty

 

[cookster]

Siggi, I've been quietly following this build.  Your skills and attention to even the smallest detail is inspiring - and impossible for most of us to achieve.  Bravo Sir, bravo.  You are a master craftsman!  I will now go back in my dark corner and continue to marvel at your work.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

thank you all for your kind words and Robin, it's good to here something from you. You feel better now? I hope you had all a good start into 2016. In my case, the model comes more and more to an end and that is for me the good start. 

 

Over the weekend I did only small things, like the rail for the ladder from the upper gun deck, the ropes to open the gun ports at the quarter deck, the emergency steering and the flagpole.

 

 

 

 

 

But the next weeks come the last great themes. The lanterns and the nettings for the hammocks. I don't know if I should build the later with hammocks ore only the frames like at the model of the Victory? I really have no idea how to build the netting, but I think I should build them. 

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

The whole day I'm thinking about the cranes and nettings for the hammocks. I thought that I would do it like it is at the Victory. But there are these two timber heads! There are not many models who show the cranes. One is this from 1757. Here are the cranes outside of the timber heads so that you could use them for the rigging.

 

 

At paintings you could see nothing, only that there seams to be something. Here the painting of the Marlborough, Dragon and Cambridge in front of Castel Morro. The Dragon should be the ship in the middle.

 

 

And the Royal George

 

 

Here a painting from Pocock, made in 1793

 

 

Before I try something, making a bow around the timber heads or leave them out, I thing I do nothing. Also at the quarter deck. If I made it as it is at the Victory model, the captain would't see nothing. And how to stow the hammocks under the rail? 

 

Fact is, they had these cranes and nettings, but how should I do it? Are there any solutions I have overseen?

 

At least I would make it as it is at the Victory model, only the cranes and the rest is for the fantasy. I would't build the netting, hammocks and a tarp over it.

 

Regards,

Siggi

 

 

[captain_hook]

Very beautiful work!

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

today I finished the stern lanterns. This is the second version, but that is a longer story. I'm not happy with the color of them at the picture. In reality they are ocher like the rails.

 

 

Next thing would be to install them and then the last thing, the cranes for the nettings and hammocks.

 

I thought and meditated a lot about this and came to the conclusion, that I only build the cranes. If I made it correct, I should build it with the tarp, in red and white, over it. But then the lines of the ship are destroyed and that is something I did't like. I think there I'm not the only one. All other modelers in the past and most of today did't like it too.

 

Regards,

Siggi

[Siggi52]

Hi Robin,

 

I must say, I understand not really what you mean. But if you mean if it's my version of a lantern, than I must say no. It's a mixture from these two lantern. First the Bellona and second a 70 gunner from 1717.

 

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

[albert]

Hi Siggi, very fantastic work.

[Flamborough]

Hello Siggi, the lanterns looks to me great. And I think it was a lot of work to make them.

 

Monty

Edited January 19, 2016 by Flamborough

[Siggi52]

Hello,

 

now the lantern are installed. 

 

 

 

 

The chests are for the signal colors. The ensigns where stored in the sail room. 

 

And one picture for those who like dimensions. 

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

[Cathead]

Glorious!

[Flamborough]

Hello Siggi,  FANTASTIC !!!

 

Monty

[reklein]

This is nice work Siggi !. I reall like the stern view in her building stand. Looks like shes sitting in the water. As modelers we don't often get this more realistic more probable view of her as she really was.  Bill

[mtaylor]

I don't know how you did those lanterns but they are fantastic, Siggi.

[Siegfried]

Hello Siggi,

 

The quality of the paintings you made at the stern as well the clean and crisp work generally is inspiring. Do you plan to build the rest of the vessel too as a three-piece model?

 

Cheers, Daniel

[Siggi52]

Helo,

 

thank you all for your likes and nice comments, that encouraged me a lot to finish also the not so beloved cranes. At the moment I have started with the final display for the ship.

@Reklein, I also plan to build in a water surface. Because I love it too, to see a ship lying in the water. It's quiet a different view. I have two models displayed this way. 

@ Danial, no I would't build more parts of this ship. This is enough 

 

Regards,

Siggi