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It's been a while since my last update - not because of a lack of work, but because of a lot of re-work!

 

Drilling the holes in the spoke holders proved to be something of a challenge and very frustrating.  The drill bits at this this size are very easy to break, and once broken they remain in the part and are impossible to remove, so the part then goes in the scrap. After breaking half a dozen drill bits, and scrapping as many parts, it was time to re-think the strategy. After an exchange of several emails with Kip while thinking this through, it was time to start over.

 

I decided to make a lot of spares for the spoke holders, in case I ran into the same problem again. To improve the repeatability of the part making, I decided to upgrade my jigs. I first re-made the holding jig for cutting the radiused end, using some aluminium bar stock I had laying around. The jig is essentially the same as its wooden predecessor, but the tapped holes would retain their threading for longer.

 

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At the left-hand side of the jig, the back of the sizing jig is visible.  The picture below shows the front side of this, with the part held ready for cutting.

 

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The front “fence” prevents the freshly cut part from disappearing into the ether, and also provides a reference line for cutting. With the blade set to just clear this, the part is cut to the correct height. Two 1/64” thick pieces of scrap boxwood act as wedges to hold the part securely against the fence and also provide a temporary “stop” to save the cutting blade going further into the aluminium jig behind.

 

In the next photo, the jig has been rotated 90 degrees and is about to be advanced into the slitting saw.

 

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And here is the result – a bunch of parts that are close to identical, ready for the next attempt at drilling.

 

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The next picture shows the pointed awl-type bit from my collection of Dremel bits that served as a centre punch to mark the hole centres. These were started 1.5 mm from the edge of the piece, and the centres marked at 1.0 mm intervals.

 

 

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In previous drilling attempts, I had been using the Sherline Sensitive Drilling attachment, as I thought this might give better control. It had two draw-backs though. Firstly, I was not sure if I was applying the right amount of pressure, nor whether I was inadvertently applying any sideways pressure, resulting in so many broken drill bits. Secondly, it has no ready way of indicating depth and I found that when I wasn’t breaking the bits, I was drilling right through the part – something that might cause a problem when I went to solder them in place on the wheel, with the danger of solder flowing into the holes. I also discovered that 0.50 mm was just a fraction too small a hole for the spokes, so I went with a 0.55mm drill bit for this round (which was just as well, as I’d broken my entire stock of 0.50mm bits!).

 

With this attempt, I decided to mount the drill bit in a collet and use the hand wheel of the vertical axis to determine the correct depth of cut – in this case, 2 mm. By advancing the drill bit ever-so-slowly, and backing off every 0.05 mm to clear the chips, I was eventually able to successfully drill the holes in three parts. I did still have a couple of failures. I found that the drill bits would last for about 6 holes, and then break (ruining the part again). However, as I had made plenty of spares I only needed to use two of these. At last, three useable spoke holders:

 

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The ends will now be cleaned up and shaped a little prior to soldering onto the wheel rim.

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Are you using carbide drill-bits ? They tend to be unforgiving, particularly when they catch in brass. HSS-bits with a 2.35 mm or 1/8" shaft might be better suited. There are also special drills for brass with a steeper spiral, but these tend to be difficult to come buy and in consequence expensive.

 

I gather we have to live with what drops of the table of industry, but I wish that there carbide drills with of only say 3 mm usable length, rather than the usual 10 or so mm. Such short drills would be stiffer and would break less likely. We often have to drill holes that are a only maximum three or five times the depth of the diameter ...

 

For pointing I am using a conical burr - one can see very well, where it goes and it leaves a small indentation that is big enough to catch the drill.

wefalck

 

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I'm just using "regular" el cheapo drill bits with a 1/8" shaft. I'm sure I could find bits more suitable for this, but the price seems to sky rocket as the size goes down!

 

I'll try the conical burr for pointing next time - thanks for the tip Wefalck. :)

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The spoke holders were cleaned up and given a bit of shape by filing. Here is a shot of the completed spoke holders, with spokes fitted in one (temporarily).

 

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The next job was to solder them to the wheel rim, again using silver solder. To hold them in the correct position, a shim of scrap aluminium 1/32” thick was shaped and drilled to accept some pins. Here is a shot of the soldering set-up.

 

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The first two spoke holders went on just fine, but the third one didn’t want to play nice. However, sheer bloody-mindedness and determination won the day in the end. While I was at it, I re-did the main rim joint as well, as there was a slight misalignment that had been bugging me. To protect the soldered joints from de-soldering while the next joint was heated, I used a heat barrier call Cool Gel, made by LA-CO. It comes in a spray bottle, but I just squirted a bit onto the soldering mat and used an old paint brush to pick up and apply the gel to joints to be protected. This was the first time I’d used this and it works really well.

 

Here are a couple of shots of the completed joints. I’ve included the spokes in one of them to give an indication of how they will look once they are all together. They have been given an initial clean-up, but I may go back and do some more yet. 

 

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That is pretty amazing work, and remarkable effort for such a tiny part. 

 

Have your micro-grit sanding cloths arrived yet? I would love to see how well your hull polished up. 

Regards, Keith

 

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Beautiful work. Can't wait to see the final product.

 

Cheers

Slog

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Thanks Keith and Slog,

 

Keith - yes the polishing kit has arrived, but I'm holding off on that task as I need to re-do the mould/cast of the bow for the cutwater. Hope to get that done in the next week.

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Grant that is some really nice work! Have you described your soldering set up, did I miss it somewhere? I dont think my little butane torch would be up to the task for this, I really struggled getting my anchors to take silver solder and they didnt have much more mass than your wheel and spoke holders.

Sam

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Thanks Sam and Carl,

 

Sam - the soldering was done with a small butane torch (probably the same as yours). The big MAPP torch (that Carl refers to) was used to anneal the brass rod prior to bending to shape for the wheel rim.

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ditto twice on all replies

John Allen

 

Current builds HMS Victory-Mamoli

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USS Tecumseh, CSS Hunley scratch build, Double hull Polynesian canoe (Holakea) scratch build

 

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Waka Taua Maori War Canoe, Armed Launch-Panart, Diligence English Revenue Cutter-Marine  Model Co. 


 

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No words of wisdom or questions mate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Just Gob-Smacked. :o  :o  :o 

 

Still watching

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

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HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
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Thanks again folks for all the kind comments and the "likes" - they really encourage me to keep striving.

 

A fairly major update today as I've completed manufacturing all the parts for the new steering wheel.

 

Wheel Building continued - the Hubs

 

If I thought that the hard part was over …..

 

The first step was to actually design my hub components. Although Kip had very kindly sent me a copy of his “chook scratchings” from the design process, I needed to make a couple of design changes to suit my slightly different approach (primarily the fact that the steering shaft will thread into the rear hub). I had several exchanges of email with Kip throughout this process and that was a huge help in getting my head around the task. Here is a copy of my own early chook scratchings.

 

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From here, I decided to make up a set of CAD drawings of each component to further understand what I was attempting to do, and also as a useful check on my own measurements and calculations. Needless to say, there were many changes to both this diagram and the CAD drawings as the manufacturing process got underway – “no plan, no matter how good, survives first contact with the enemy!”

 

Once I had the design principles clearly in my head, the manufacturing process actually went quite smoothly…….for the most part. In fact, it went so well that I forgot to take many progress shots.  In the next picture, I am drilling the banjo spoke holes into what will become the banjo spoke hub. This started as a piece of 5/8” brass rod, that was first bored to leave a wall thickness of 1.5 mm. The banjo spoke holes are all 0.5 mm in diameter and I managed to drill all twelve without breaking the drill bit. Ironically, the drill bit broke just as I was removing it from the mill.

 

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The manufacturing process required some thought as to how to hold various pieces on the lathe while they were being turned and shaped and fitted to their final dimensions. After a bit of trial and error, I concluded that several mandrels of various key sizes, both solid and centre-bored, were the most useful thing to use. I found that gluing these temporarily with CA to the stock being machined held the piece securely while being worked. The parts were then separated by the judicious application of heat from the MAPP blow torch. Here is a shot of the various mandrels I used – in some cases a combination of two mandrels were required.

 

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The rear hub was shaped by first cutting a series of steps (staircase effect) and then smoothing with a round file while still on the lathe. The Horn Ring Hub, Trim Piece and Cap piece required a radius on the end. The Radius Cutting attachment for the lathe worked a treat for these parts.

 

The Horn Ring itself is square in section and this was formed by using a 1/16” square brass tube. After first annealing with the MAPP torch, it was bent around the same wooden buck as used for the wheel rim. The buck was first turned down to the appropriate diameter, and I must confess here to having a couple of goes at this before I was satisfied with the size. As the tube is hollow, it allowed me to insert a piece of 0.8 mm brass rod inside and extending across the join. This really helped when silver-soldering the join closed. The piece was then returned to the rotary table on the mill and 0.85 mm holes were drilled at 120 degree intervals for mounting the spokes.

 

The spokes for the horn ring are also square in section and the same brass tube was used for this. By inserting a piece of the 0.8mm brass rod through the pre-drilled hole in the horn ring, right through the length of the spoke, and into the horn ring hub, the hole assembly becomes self-aligning.

 

The horn ring hub itself was probably the most difficult of all of these parts to make and I had three attempts at this before I was finally satisfied.

 

The Cap Piece, as well as having a radius turned on the end, also had a 1/32” slot cut with a slitting saw to receive the Throttle Lever, which itself was cut and filed from a piece of 1/32” brass flat bar.

 

The picture below shows all of these parts, starting with the Wheel Rim and a selection of banjo spokes at the rear, the Horn Ring, Horn Ring Hub and Horn Ring Spokes (temporarily mounted and ready for soldering), and then across the front from left to right are the Rear Hub (note the internal threading to receive the steering column), the Banjo Spoke Hub, the Trim Piece, and the Cap Piece, with the Throttle Lever in the foreground.

 

 

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Putting some of these components together for the camera, here is a of shot of the Horn Ring assembly mounted on the Banjo Spoke Hub, mounted on the Rear Hub, with a temporary Steering Shaft.

 

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And lastly, the same assembly with the stainless-steel sleeve that goes over the steering shaft.

 

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That completes the manufacture of all components for the new steering wheel. The next job will be to solder the Horn Ring assembly together, and then chrome plate the Horn Ring assembly, Cap Piece and Throttle Lever. The other components will be painted an off-white (ivory) colour, and then the whole lot will be finally assembled.

 

Once that is done, I will return attention to making the cutwater….

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    Having little to no talent for metal work - this is all very impressive to me!  

 

 Nicely done Grant.

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Thanks Bug and Carl,  and also to those who hit the "like" button.

 

To complete the Horn Ring, the spokes were silver soldered in place and the whole thing given an initial clean-up. In this picture, the square cross-section of the rim is evident, as is that of the spokes.

 

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All components of the wheel assembly are now ready for final clean-up and painting / plating.

 

The Cutwater

I had previously made a mould to assist in making the cutwater but it turned out to be too small, so another mould was made. In making this mould, I first sprayed the bow with a spray-on / peel-off automotive plastic paint. This gave a nice smooth surface for the mould while ensuring plaster did not get stuck to the surface of the boat. This worked well and the peel-off paint behaved exactly as the manufacture claimed.  I also embedded a couple of dowels in the plaster, with the ends passed through and epoxied into a scrap of 3/4” plywood. This provided a useful “handle” to hold the mould in a vice.

 

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Paper patterns for the two halves of the cutwater were printed on sticky label paper and attached to a piece of 0.015” thick brass sheet. The brass sheet was itself attached to some thin plywood scrap with double-sided tape and the pieces were rough-cut on the scroll saw and then finish-shaped on the disc sander and spindle sander.

 

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Following the lead of others in the RC Groups Forum, I embedded a number of 6-32 threaded inserts into the mould, and made some hold-downs from some scrap aluminium flat bar. At this point, I took a slightly different approach to the task of soldering the cutwater halves. I had read of others having problems with having sufficient solder on the internal side of the cutwater, and of course I’d read their solutions as well. I did a little further reading/research on soldering and decided that it might be possible to use the properties of the solder itself to solve this problem. The key point I noted was that solder will always flow towards the heat source. To make use of this, I placed one of the cutwater halves on the mould and then wedged a ribbon of solder “wire” partly under this half before placing the second cutwater half. This meant that the two halves of the cutwater were held in place with the ribbon of solder firmly touching each half. I then painted some flux along the outside of the join, and applied heat from my small butane torch, starting at one end and moving slowly but steadily along as the molten solder wicked through. This worked very well and I should have left well enough alone….. I decided to add a little extra solder in a couple of spots but really only succeeded in adding a few globs of molten solder to the outside faces. Oh well, a little extra clean-up!

 

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In the next shot, you can see the solder on the internal join – prior to clean-up.

 

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And finally, here’s a few beauty shots of the completed cutwater after a little clean-up with files and sandpaper.

 

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I did a quick test-fit on the actual bow of the boat, and it fits neatly. The cutwater is now ready for plating and final fitting.

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Thats a very nice piece of brass work there Grant.

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That's some truley great work Grant.

 

The wheel is going to look fantastic when completed, so hurry up, I wonna see !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I've never seen a cutwater done like that before, I just love it.

 

Altogether very well done mate

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

mobbsie
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Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle

 

Completed Builds :-   Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ),  Granado Cross Section 1/48

Harwich Bawley, Restoration,  Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration,  Will Everard 1/67 Billings 

HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
Thames Steam Launch Louise,  Thames Barge Edme,  Viking Dragon Boat


Next Build :-  

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awesome metal work grant  :)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Thanks Slog, Mobbsie and Popeye, and also to all the "likes".

 

Only a minor update today - have been distracted with other activities lately, and the last couple of days have been over 40 degrees C, so not a lot of energy for anything! But we have made some progress nevertheless.

 

Chrome Plating - First Adventures

 

To complete both the Wheel assembly and the Cutwater, some chrome plating was called for. Following the lead of others over on the RC Groups forum, I acquired a Caswell Chrome Plating Kit. It was relatively inexpensive and, as it turned out, quite easy to use. The kit consists of a small transformer with two leads extending from it. The black lead has an alligator clip attached and this gets attached to the part being plated. The red lead plugs into a small wand that has its end wrapped in a bandage, and this is soaked in the plating solution and then rubbed onto the part. And then the magic happens. It’s as easy as that. Not much to show, as I didn’t take photos of the process. Here is the end result though (the camera is not kind – it looks a whole lot better at “normal” viewing distance).  Mmmmmmm……shiny…….

 

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Just read through the whole build Grant. Some very nice work on the finishes and the metalwork is very interesting. I look forward to the rest as you complete it.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

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Finally got around to completing the wheel today. I painted the hub assembly, trim piece and wheel rim with Vallejo Ivory, sprayed through the airbrush, while the Horn Ring and Throttle Lever are chrome plated. After test fitting all parts, I glued them in place with epoxy – no going back now!

 

Here is the completed wheel and steering shaft assembly:

 

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And another view:

 

 

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And here it is side-by-side with the kit-provided part:

 

 

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And finally, here are a few “glam” shots showing it in place in the boat:

 

 

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I decided I wasn’t happy with the cutwater, so have re-made it this weekend as well. Pics to follow once chrome plating is complete.

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Now that really is a fine piece of work mate, a lot of effort and thought gone into that wheel. 

 

So that's the practice wheel out of the way now you can start on the final piece.

 

Very well done Grant that wheel is truely fabulous.

 

Be Good

 

Mobbsie

mobbsie
All mistakes are deliberate ( me )


Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle

 

Completed Builds :-   Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ),  Granado Cross Section 1/48

Harwich Bawley, Restoration,  Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration,  Will Everard 1/67 Billings 

HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
Thames Steam Launch Louise,  Thames Barge Edme,  Viking Dragon Boat


Next Build :-  

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Wheel looks incredible, like a real one out of a classic car.

 

Cheers

Slog

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HM Bark Endeavour (First Wood, On Hold)

Borodino (1:200 Card, Current Build)

Admiral Nakhimov (card 1/200)

Mazur D-350 Artillery Tractor (1:25 Card) 

F-8 Crusader (1:48 Aircraft, Plastic)

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Thanks very much Hof, Mobbsie, Slog and Remco.

 

Remco - not sure if I understand your question. If it is about the paint, the brand is Vallejo. Plating was with a Caswell brush plating kit.

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That is truly spectacular! Now what are you going to do about Ken and Barbie? 

Regards, Keith

 

gallery_1526_572_501.jpg 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina  gallery_1526_579_484.jpg 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati  post-1526-0-02110200-1403452426.jpg 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways

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