Cathead Posted March 15, 2016 Share #271 Posted March 15, 2016 Western river boats certainly weren't the King's navy. Great details, thanks for sharing. Canute, mtaylor, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 15, 2016 Share #272 Posted March 15, 2016 Thanks, Glenn. I was looking at the wear grooves in that shaft. From your description it sounds like it was built and put to work with repairs on the fly. Canute, Omega1234, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 15, 2016 Share #273 Posted March 15, 2016 Very nice build ggrieco, Canute, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share #274 Posted March 19, 2016 This last week was Spring Break for us. I took a few days off so I didn't get much done. I was able make a little progress on the paddlewheel. They just need the buckets and they will be complete. Hopefully, this next week will be a little more productive. Siggi52, Wintergreen, mtaylor and 27 others 30 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadheus Posted March 19, 2016 Share #275 Posted March 19, 2016 Elegance in precision, very nice work Ggrieco. I have a steam engine to your model. Paul Mike Y, dgbot, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted March 19, 2016 Share #276 Posted March 19, 2016 Glenn, it's beautiful ! WOW ! ggrieco, Omega1234, tadheus and 2 others 5 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 19, 2016 Share #277 Posted March 19, 2016 Not much done this week, perhaps; but thanks for the eye candy! Omega1234, GLakie, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #278 Posted March 26, 2016 This week I tried to finish up the Paddle wheels. I just about made it, just the nuts on the starboard wheel to finish. The buckets for the paddle wheels were 15 to 16 inches wide, 60 inches long and 1 1/2 inches thick. Each was attached to the spokes with two U-bolts. The U-bolts were about 3/4 inch in section with a 2 inch nut. Some of the bolts were entirely square in section, some were round and as in the photo, some were a little of both. I'm not sure if there was a reason for the nuts being put on flat side out. The area around where the bolts went through the bucket was reinforced with a short plank about 14 inches by 8 inches by 1 1/2. Sizes varied and the seemed to be crudely cut. I made several attempts to bend the u-bolts by hand but I couldn't get them to sit properly against the spokes. I made a simple jig to swage each bolt and it worked well. I was able to make the entire pile of 96 in less than a half an hour. The individual pieces of the buckets going together. The completed port wheel (minus the throw-out bearing) and the almost complete starboard bearing. Kevin and I had the pleasure of a visit from Mitch Michelson this week. Mitch, we enjoyed the day and hope to see you again soon. Siggi52, EdT, GLakie and 27 others 30 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted March 26, 2016 Share #279 Posted March 26, 2016 96 U bolts, that's 192 threaded ends, a lot of threading and tapping on top of the woodwork, you were a busy man this week. Michael GLakie, Belco, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted March 26, 2016 Share #280 Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) Interesting. So the buckets were one wide plank, with one U-bolt per spoke. In comparison, both Bertrand and Arabia had two parallel planks, each with two U-bolts per spoke, like this: Arabia: http://janetbtaylor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/arabia4.jpg?w=300 Bertrand (my model): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10356-steamboat-bertrand-by-cathead-187-wooden-missouri-river-sternwheeler/page-7#entry344717 Bertrand (as displayed at the museum): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10356-steamboat-bertrand-by-cathead-187-wooden-missouri-river-sternwheeler/page-7#entry348901 These two also don't have any reinforcing planks, just the bucket planks, which appear narrower in Arabia and Bertrand than in Heroine, though I can't tell for sure. Your reinforcing plank is 14" wide, which makes the bucket plank a bit wider still, while the others look like 12" or less to my eyes. But the overall bucket would be wider on both the later boats, given the double planks. Any theories on these differences in wheel configuration? Is it just that Heroine is a smaller boat and so used a simple one-plank paddle? Or was there an evolution to broader, two-plank paddles as being preferable? EDIT: additional question: what's the diameter of Heroine's wheel overall, compared to the width of the bucket? On Bertrand, the wheel was estimated at 18' diameter, with each bucket about 2' wide overall. My eye feels like Heroine has a different ratio, but measurements will tell if I'm off. Also, looking back at my Bertrand wheel, it hit me that I never finished one important detail: the U-bolts on the buckets! I'd meant to draw them in with a fine marker, as I didn't think I could get them right with wire at 1:87, but apparently never did and never noticed. Luckily the wheel turns, so I can still do it without too much fuss. Embarrassing. Edited March 26, 2016 by Cathead mtaylor, ggrieco, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted March 26, 2016 Share #281 Posted March 26, 2016 Love those details Glenn! Nicely done! Canute, mtaylor and ggrieco 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 26, 2016 Share #282 Posted March 26, 2016 Thank you for our Saturday 'fix', Glenn. Outstanding work, as ever. Canute, ggrieco, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 26, 2016 Share #283 Posted March 26, 2016 Just catching up after a couple of weeks away, Glenn. Senses overload from the abundance of magnificent photos. John mtaylor, Canute, Omega1234 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #284 Posted March 27, 2016 Thanks everybody, Michael, I hope I haven't let you down. I cheated a bit with the u-bolt nuts. The hole is undersized and they are driven on tightly-- no threads. 00-90 is the smallest tap and die I have - too large for the 1/32 inch rod. So far, all the other fasteners have been threaded. Sorry about that. Cathead, Heroine's paddle wheels were 16 feet from spoke tip to tip. We haven't given the dimensions the full consideration that they need yet but your observations have started me wondering. I need to look back at the table in Adam Kane's thesis. I think he lists several vessels with the size of their paddle wheels. Hopefully, we can find a pattern. Glenn cog, mtaylor, Cathead and 4 others 7 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted March 27, 2016 Share #285 Posted March 27, 2016 Don't feel guilty, Glen. I have been using simulated nuts from Scale Hardware http://www.scalehardware.com/simulated-micro-hardware-c-47. You can't fake it any better than this. Omega1234, mtaylor, druxey and 5 others 8 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #286 Posted March 27, 2016 Thanks Greg, I've never seen this page before. I've been looking for a good source for fasteners smaller than 00-90. I have a feeling I'll be using this site in the future. Glenn dvm27, mtaylor, cog and 3 others 6 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted March 28, 2016 Share #287 Posted March 28, 2016 Oh Glenn.... I'm mortified.... simply mortified Actually I had not realized the rods were that small a diameter, and if you mentioned the diameter in the text I missed it because of the impact of the pictures. And who need to struggle with 000 x 120 anyway. Michael ggrieco, cog, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share #288 Posted April 2, 2016 I finally completed the paddle wheels to the point I can start tying the drive train to the engine. This week I was able to get most of the pittman/crosshead assembly done. Just the feedwater pump and reach rods to finish before moving onto the boilers. U-joints for the reach rods. Crosshead slides. Testing the fit of the crosshead and end of the pittman. Pittman ends freshly milled. Straps soldered to pittman ends. Finished pittman strap with bearing, wedge and keys before blackening. After blackening with bolts added. Flywheel end of pittman. Crosshead end of pittman. tadheus, michael mott, Canute and 36 others 39 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted April 2, 2016 Share #289 Posted April 2, 2016 The sheer excellence of your woodwork and metal work makes this one of the most enjoyable logs on MSW. It looks like this could be a working model with the proper engine. mtaylor, Siggi52, GLakie and 11 others 14 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted April 2, 2016 Share #290 Posted April 2, 2016 I am in awe ! WOW ! GLakie, ggrieco, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted April 2, 2016 Share #291 Posted April 2, 2016 That is so freakin' cool! I agree with Greg, I keep expecting to see it leap into action. druxey, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chborgm Posted April 2, 2016 Share #292 Posted April 2, 2016 What can you say beyond what has already been said. WOW!!!! ggrieco, Canute, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Flying Fish -- MSW Essex --- MSW Constitution -- MSW Confederacy -- MSW Philadelphia -- MSW Chaperon -- MSW San Felipe -- Panart Portland -- Bluejacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chborgm Posted April 2, 2016 Share #293 Posted April 2, 2016 My grandfather was a stationary Engineer at the Duquesne Brewery it Pittsburgh,and he used to take me with him on Sundays when he had to check things. The details of this bring me back to those trips. Wow again. Heat up a kettle and connect the steam. WackoWolf, Canute, Cathead and 5 others 8 Quote Flying Fish -- MSW Essex --- MSW Constitution -- MSW Confederacy -- MSW Philadelphia -- MSW Chaperon -- MSW San Felipe -- Panart Portland -- Bluejacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted April 2, 2016 Share #294 Posted April 2, 2016 I'm constantly amazed at the workmanship on your model - excellent!! Canute, mtaylor, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 2, 2016 Share #295 Posted April 2, 2016 Thank you for your latest update, Glenn. Before I read the other comments, I too was thinking "She looks about ready to turn over!" That is beautiful work. GLakie, ggrieco, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted April 2, 2016 Share #296 Posted April 2, 2016 Truly amazing work, Glenn. Ed mtaylor, GLakie, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted April 2, 2016 Share #297 Posted April 2, 2016 If I didn't know it wasn't full size . . . wait is it? Bob mtaylor, ggrieco, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 2, 2016 Share #298 Posted April 2, 2016 I do believe we all looked at that thought "well, fire up the boiler and get this rolling on the river". slow2cool, cog, ggrieco and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamschooner Posted April 2, 2016 Share #299 Posted April 2, 2016 Glenn, Incrediblely awesome! GLakie, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Zipper hydroplane(Miss Mabel ) finished John Cudahy Scratch build 1/4" scale Steam Tug 1914 Steam Tug Scratch build from HAMMS plans 1820 Pinky "Eagle" Scratch build from; American Ships Their Plans and History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted April 2, 2016 Share #300 Posted April 2, 2016 Fantastic. ggrieco, mtaylor, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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