HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans

[druxey]

Lovely work, as always. I note the issue of the sides aft spreading a little (post #1102). I have had this problem with framed models as well. In one case I had to install three threaded rods permanently across under the poop deck level with the beams, the nuts concealed under the outer planking and friezes. 

 

Best wishes for the holiday season to yourself and the ship's cat!

[allanyed]

9 hours ago, Siggi52 said:

A last picture this year

Great photo and thank you for your sentiment for the holidays.  A Merry Christmas to you and a great 2024.  

Allan

[Cathead]

Siggi, vielen dank for that wonderful photo. I'm clearly a cat person (see username and photo) so that just made my day. And it's nice to be able to attach a face to a builder I respect. I especially enjoying following a build from Germany as my wife still has family there and we both speak passable German. We're hoping to visit them next summer (they live in a small town near Würzburg). Frohe Weinachten!

[Keith Black]

 Siggi, a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.

[Siggi52]

Thank you Eric, Keith, Allan, David, and Michael for your wishes and all others for there likes. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

after a longer pause at the shipyard, is here now again action 

The carpenters build and installed the standards for the port side. Some weeks before they turned the pillars for this deck.

 

Edited January 16 by Siggi52

[Wintergreen]

Siggi, I find this, your build log, very entertaining.

Not only because I like boat building, but the way you present the progress. You are obviously a very talented painter, along with very (very) good at carving. The result is strikingly good.

A lot of the scratch built 17th and 18th century ships here doesn't get painted and I find your HMS Tiger a welcome addition to the set.

 

Keep it up!

 

[scrubbyj427]

Excellent work as usual, Siggi.

happy new year.

JJ

[Keith Black]

49 minutes ago, Wintergreen said:

A lot of the scratch built 17th and 18th century ships here doesn't get painted and I find your HMS Tiger a welcome addition to the set.

 Absolutely! I couldn't have said it better. 

[Siggi52]

Thank you all for your nice comments and likes. 

Håkan and Keith, that is what I would tell these builders with there black and white ships. These ships where painted. And they are beautiful in this way.

Nobody would build the Bismarck in black and white, and she is't more beautiful painted, but historical correct. So why not paint the earlier ships?

[Wintergreen]

To paint, or not to paint, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to paint
The tins and brushes of outrageous colour,
Or to take arms against a sea of painters
And by opposing end them. To dye - with rag and oil,

 

Of course, it boils down to personal preferences and why we decide to build and how we want to display, or present our builds.

Painting the model adds to the correct historical display of it. But a lot of the non-painted builds are displayed with hull sections open, or even without a lot of planking. Then it is more of a "this is how they were constructed". I guess another reason to not plank a hull is to leave all the interior visible because quit a lot of hours went in to the build.

We are our own master shipwrights of our ships and hence can decide freely to wether we paint or not. 

I find the plethora and mixture of different styles and performances refreshing and enrichening.

 

As always - keep it up!

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the carpenters finished also the standards for the starboard side and set them in. The painter is just ready with painting. 

But then arose a problem. There where the Painter now stand, I would build in the pissdale. But I also would build the gangway between FC and QD! The painter is not the largest on and the gangway would be 5 feet something high above deck and 1' 6" broad, so performing your business there would not be very comfortable!

In Goodwin's English Man of War at page 193 he wrote this:

The gangways where only temporary. But then I think I need a ladder to reach the fore castle and have the same problem. But you did't see many models with ladders there. When, they have a short gangway and look very fast installed. Where there none and the sailers had to climb up there somehow?

 

Ideas for this are very welcome

 

[GrandpaPhil]

The ladders may just not have been shown on the models.

 

It would not be logical for there not to have been fixed ladders to access the quarterdeck and the forecastle.

 

I checked the inboard profiles of the other 18th century Royal Navy vessels that I have and did not see ladders between the main decks and fore and aft decks either, so my guess is that the ladders were just not shown on the plans.

 

I would personally add them as needed.

 

[Siggi52]

Hello, and thank you GrandpaPhill

what I found out is, when the FC deck is overhanging over the first cannon in the waist, they have ladders. First the Royal Oak and then the Medway

 

When there is no overhang and that is mostly the case, not. And you could see, why not. 

L.G. Carr Laughton wrote only that the gangway way was introduced in 1744. Nothing from only temporary. The next picture is the 60 gunner (1745) I saw at Chatham and then the frigate Lowestoft (1761) At the Lowestoft the ladders are missing, I think.

Here are the gangways installed. The ladders in these cases are at the entry. That is I think the way I would build it. The question is then, where would be the pissdales? 

 

Joe J. Simmons III wrote in his booklet: they where often installed forward and aft against the bulwarks in the waists on contemporary models. So where there four of them? Under the QD is the head-room much better. Should I build them there?

 

Edited January 17 by Siggi52

[Dziadeczek]

As far as pissdales, it probably won't help you, but I found this illustration in the book by J. Franklin "Navy Board Ship Models 1650-1750", showing how this device looked like on the First Rate of 96 guns c.1702. No further text on exact placement of these conveniences, though...   ☹️

 

Edited January 17 by Dziadeczek

[Siggi52]

Thank you Dziadeczek,

it is not the look of these pissdales, but where they are build in and how many there are, what I did't know.

Here again the sentence of Joe J. Simmons III, who wrote in his booklet "Those Vulgar Tubes": they where often installed forward and aft against the bulwarks in the waists on contemporary models

The place behind the FC bulwark, as in your picture, is since the gangways where introduced no more realistic. That is may be also the reason why they where no more seen in models. They where used until the end of the 19th century.

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

after some days with snow and sunshine I'm now back at the shipyard. In Dec. we had here in Schleswig-Holstein an average of 5 hours sunshine!

Cutting the planks for the gangway

The painter has painted the knees and the carpenters made the planks ready for installing.

In the front on both sides are cavel blocks

And now is the gangway ready, except for the rails to the outside, who come when the whole ship would be mainly ready.

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for all the likes

The pissdales are now installed. The first pictures show the first one I build, but they where too small. But you could see how I build them. The next where a little larger and you see them installed.

[scrubbyj427]

Lovely work Siggi, I like the addition of the pissdales. 
JJ

[druxey]

Nice pissdales, Siggi. But I thought that they were a bit smaller than yours. Do you have a reference for their size?

[Siggi52]

Thank you JJ and Druxey,

I build them after a picture out of the book Rogers Collection part 2, Model No 7, page 106. And there has the bowl alone the same diameter as the port nearby is broad. An other factor is, the walls are not really vertical. So you would have a problem with the one I first build smaller. 

Edited January 31 by Siggi52

[Ian_Grant]

1 hour ago, Siggi52 said:

Thank you JJ and Druxey,

I build them after a picture out of the book Rogers Collection part 2, Model No 7, page 106. And there has the bowl alone the same diameter as the port nearby is broad. An other factor is, the walls are nor really vertical. So you would have a problem with the one I first build smaller. 

The same problem as in an airplane bathroom? 😁

[giampieroricci]

Who knows why I had missed this wonderful creature! A true masterpiece!

Congratulations Siggi!!!

[druxey]

Thanks for the reference, Siggi!

[jfhealey]

18 hours ago, druxey said:

I thought that they were a bit smaller than yours

I guess a rough sea could compromise your aim so a larger target area would be wise if little accidents are to be avoided. 

[Keith Black]

2 hours ago, jfhealey said:

I guess a rough sea could compromise your aim

 In a rough sea I doubt it would make much difference. Aim be damned. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

when I read all this, how would it be to train your aim? The pissdales are large enough, that may be two sailers have a match?

Ok, the carpenters where extremely busy today and installed the first beam with the connection to the gangway.

 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for all the likes.

Today only a short update. I made some repairs from my work yesterday and two new beams are installed.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

now all the beams are installed. Not every beam got a hanging knee. Only there where they go strait down, that was enow of finger artistic for me  

Is there something like Murphy's law, that the knees dry fit perfectly, but with some glue on it not  

And also the number of cannons increased.

The next thing to do are the coamings for the gratings and the stair.

Edited February 3 by Siggi52

[Siggi52]

Hello,

today the carpenters build the gratings and the painter painted them.

What I'm wondering about when building the gratings is, how did they get out the capstan? In small pieces  I think at least they have to open the deck and cut out a beam