Dan Vadas Posted December 14, 2015 Share #901 Posted December 14, 2015 Danny, do you know how these windows were held open? Hook and eye? No I don't, but I doubt it would have been anything very fancy. Perhaps as simple as a knotted rope which passes through a hook. Danny mtaylor and Landlocked123 2 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #902 Posted December 20, 2015 At this point, all that was necessary was to pop the side frames off the stern timbers and apply new ones that extended the full depth of the timber. An exterior stop will be applied after the window has been installed. Thanks again, Danny. The rudder trunk extends from the fore face of the stern post to just aft of the opening for the rudder. There is a gap between it and the center window. It is trapezoidal in shape. Because of the angles involved and the shape of the lower counter, templates were used to get the correct shapes for the pieces. Lockers ran the length of the aft wall of the cabin. They are deep enough to provide additional seating space. On Atalanta there are two tiers of lockers and a shelf above the upper locker below the level of the window sill. I have chosen to model only the port lockers, leaving the starboard framing open. The first step was to develop a template for the profile of the lockers and counter. This was taken off the plan. The lowest vertical element was made first. Paper templates were made for each piece of the assembly. I glued the vertical stiles onto the template and then installed the horizontal slats. After it was dry, I peeled off the paper and glued in the recessed panel. A cleat was installed on the blind side to stiffen it and give a wider gluing surface. Finally, it was glued in place. The horizontal element needs to be supported at the stern timbers. I inserted wedges between the timbers to provide a gluing surface. In the pictures it appears that they are not at the same height or angle. This is an optical illusion which is occurring because the deck curves but the locker is horizontal. I had a choice at this point to either make a functional locker door and frame or simply make one piece and draw the door in with an #11 blade. I chose the latter. This actually makes the outline of the door stand out better than if I had made it in two pieces. Be sure to carry the incision around the fore edge of the door. It barely shows until the finish is applied. I toyed with the idea of having one of the lockers open and filled with rolls of maps but decided against. None of the other rooms have elements that would have been brought on board (with the exception of the hammocks) so for consistency I left the lockers closed. I will not furnish the space for the same reason. The second vertical element starts approximately two inches behind the edge of the door. The panels are shorter because of the rudder trunk. I have also installed the interior upper counter plank to act as a gluing surface later. The second horizontal element is installed, followed by the third vertical element and the shelf. Because of the height, the third vertical element has no ornamentation. The last two pictures show how the outline of the door stands out after a finish is applied. I still need to install hinges. In the last picture, the angles still look "off". This again is a function of the sloping floor and the horizontal locker door, combined with the angles of the hull planking and my bad photography skills. In real life it looks correct. Sonofagun, Tadeusz43, ianmajor and 30 others 33 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 20, 2015 Share #903 Posted December 20, 2015 Fun work, isn't it, Toni? Looks very nice. dgbot and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted December 20, 2015 Share #904 Posted December 20, 2015 Toni, beautiful Fitting out of the great cabin, so far, lovely to see the Joints of the timbers and Details of the panels Nils mtaylor, dgbot and Martin W 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted December 20, 2015 Share #905 Posted December 20, 2015 Very nice work. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remcohe Posted December 21, 2015 Share #906 Posted December 21, 2015 The trunk and lockers look great. Remco WackoWolf and mtaylor 2 Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share #907 Posted December 21, 2015 Druxey, Nils, albert and Remco thank you for your comments. And thank you to everyone for the likes. The next thing to tackle will be the windows themselves. albert, mtaylor and Mirabell61 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted December 22, 2015 Share #908 Posted December 22, 2015 Toni, She is becoming a real work of art. I wish I could see it up close and take a few picks. Gorgeous. David B mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share #909 Posted January 5, 2016 The next items to make are the windows themselves. Since these are not structural I made them simply by edge gluing rather than finger jointing the stiles and rails. Also, the mullions are not half-lapped but are simply edge glued as well. The glass is mica. I was very surprised how well the glue adheres to the mica. The first picture shows the sequence of construction. First a template is made of the window opening. The stiles and rails are glued to the template. The mullions are then added. The template is peeled off the framework and mica is put in place. Finally, the inner frame and mullions are added. The center opening was not glazed as it looks directly into the back of the rudder trunk. The windows are glued in place. The small gaps will be hidden under the munions and decorative moldings. The discoloration of the wood of the upper and lower counter is from internal finish seeping out between the planks. This will not be a problem after the external structure has a coat of finish. The munions are trim boards between the windows which hide all of the internal structural components. External to this, the plans show a column with acanthus leaves. I cannot tell from the plans whether the leaves are carved or painted. This will be added when the rest of the stern is completed. One of the central munions is not the same shape as the other five. After careful consideration and a few choice words I determined that the only way to correct the problem would be to rebuild the entire stern. And that wasn't going to happen! It looks worse in the photo than in real life. Once the decorative trims and columns are added I do not think it will be very visible (except to me). These windows open inwards. There is a quarter round sill which acts as a stop to prevent the window from opening outward. archjofo, wyz, Remcohe and 22 others 25 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 5, 2016 Share #910 Posted January 5, 2016 Were you going to darken the central dummy window 'panes', Toni? And the bad news is that the acanthus swags were usually carved, not painted. Anyway, it's great to see your progress. Martin W, Jack12477 and mtaylor 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share #911 Posted January 5, 2016 Thank you, everyone for the likes. Well, Druxey, I gather those central panes are typically darkened? How dark would you recommend? I was afraid that you were going to tell me the acanthus leaves were carved. At least that is a smaller project than some of the other carving which will be required. Jack12477, mtaylor, dvm27 and 1 other 4 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 5, 2016 Share #912 Posted January 5, 2016 Theoretically the dummy panes were black, but in a model that looks far too stark. I use a mid- to dark grey color. Then it doesn't visually 'jump' in the finished model. If you put card over the cabin aft as a temporary quarter deck, you can judge from the appearance of the other lights about how dark to go. mtaylor, GuntherMT, JesseLee and 15 others 18 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted January 5, 2016 Share #913 Posted January 5, 2016 Hi Toni, Beautifully done and inspirational. Specifically, your sharing of both pitfalls and successes will be of significant value to me as I am constructing the Naiad in the same fashion. All the best! Gary Jack12477 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share #914 Posted January 5, 2016 Thanks, Druxey. The photo helps tremendously. Jack12477, WackoWolf and mtaylor 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted January 5, 2016 Share #915 Posted January 5, 2016 Great work, Toni. Why is it "bad news" that the acanthus leaves were carved? Now you get to do some carving -- that sounds like good news! Cheers, Martin WackoWolf, Jack12477 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share #916 Posted January 10, 2016 Martin, if you ever saw my feeble attempt at carving you would understand completely. There are two ladders between the upper and lower decks. The fore ladder is located under the fore hatch and the aft is uncovered because it is protected by the quarter deck. In order to install the fore ladder, I had to pry off the fore hatch. The ladders are simple structures. The key is NOT to do what I did and reverse the direction of the treads. With the hatch replaced, it is almost impossible to see the ladder. There are two range cleats in the upper deck bulwarks for the fore braces and the main course tacks. These are fastened through the side of the ship by two bolts. I considered doing this except the bolts would have gone through the frieze. The knees to the gangboards are also installed into the upper deck bulwarks. The aft knee is for the fixed gangway and the five fore knees are for the gangboards. The aft knee has an athwartship arm of 2'9" and the other knees have an athwartship arm of 1'5". robin b, JesseLee, dgbot and 22 others 25 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted January 10, 2016 Share #917 Posted January 10, 2016 Hi Toni, great beautiful work. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share #918 Posted January 18, 2016 Although it may not look like much, most of the free time this weekend was spent making and installing ringbolts and eyebolts. All the iron work was made with 20, 22 or 24 gauge brass wire. The eyebolts and most of the ringbolts are silver soldered closed. I ran out of propane and it was just too cold (-4F) to want to run out to the hardware store. There are five stopper bolts. These run through the binding strake just lateral to the fore hatch. The top tackle eyebolt is located in the binding strake at the level of the aft end of the after hatch. The gun tackle ringbolts are used to haul the guns inboard and are also located in the binding strake. The stopper bolts serve double duty in this regard. There are four eyebolts in the main mast partners. Finally, there are three ringbolts in the bulwark at the level of the main mast. The breeching ringbolts and port tackle eyebolts will be installed when the guns are rigged. While there is still access to the inner bulwark I installed the simulated chain and preventer bolts. These bolts secure the preventer plates to the hull. First, stub masts were inserted and a string was used to determine the angle of the stays as they intersect the hull. I marked this on masking tape. The locations were then marked internally and installed using 1.5" bolts. JesseLee, Jeronimo, cabrapente and 24 others 27 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted January 19, 2016 Share #919 Posted January 19, 2016 Nice bolts. And yes it was too cold to go out unless you really needed to .. Your Atalanta is looking really good. Richard. mtaylor 1 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 19, 2016 Share #920 Posted January 19, 2016 Nice detail, Toni! It's amazing the number of bolts of various sorts that went into a vessel this size. Martin W and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share #921 Posted January 19, 2016 Thank you Richard and Druxey. And thank you all for the likes. To add insult to injury yesterday, when the temp rose to a balmy -2F, the city's largest water main broke so there was no water for several hours and we are still under boil orders. mtaylor 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 24, 2016 Share #922 Posted January 24, 2016 Hi Toni, just read about the anxious time you went through with your pet. We have a fox terrier who also once took apart a little PVC plastic sqeeky toy. We found most of the fractions afterwards but for two or three bits still missing. With a sigh of relief they came out the natural way after two days. I like our galley stove looks, it looks very well.... Nils mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted January 24, 2016 Share #923 Posted January 24, 2016 G'day Toni I'm feel sick looking at your marvelous skills! Not only you are great at the wood side, you are great at the metal side. Havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share #924 Posted March 18, 2016 I am stunned to realize that I have not posted on this build log for almost two months! Well, work and life just have a tendency to get in the way. I have started working on the armament. There are sixteen cannon on Atalanta. I will be showing the eight on the port side. This project has taken three times as long as I had anticipated and is not over yet. The first step is making the carriage side. I laminated strips of costello the correct thickness together. The various steps were milled into the laminated blank. The curved under-carriage was roughly milled and the filed smooth. The pictures show the blank from different angles. Holes for the various bolt were drilled while the blank was still intact for stability. The remaining parts of the carriage (axles, wheels, bed) were made. There was nothing complicated about any of these parts. The front and rear wheels are different diameters. These were turned down on a lathe and then cut off with a razor saw to prevent chipping. I made a very simple jig to facilitate assembly. On the left side one can see the two size holes for the wheels. The center hole for the axle was drill by inserting the wheel into the jig. This helped prevent splitting. The next pictures show various views of the partially completed carriages, including various rings, the bed bolt and the wheel pins. Finally the quoin and the rest of the bolts were added. The quoins were hand carved. Geoff Matson, albert, Ryland Craze and 41 others 44 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 18, 2016 Share #925 Posted March 18, 2016 Very nice!!! Isnt the repetition fun??? I am doing teh same thing and it drives me nuts. Martin W, WackoWolf, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 18, 2016 Share #926 Posted March 18, 2016 Well,it looks like you are making up for lost time, Toni. Nice to see you back again. Elijah, Mirabell61, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted March 18, 2016 Share #927 Posted March 18, 2016 Very nice work Toni. mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remcohe Posted March 18, 2016 Share #928 Posted March 18, 2016 Your carriages came out really well!! Remco WackoWolf, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 18, 2016 Share #929 Posted March 18, 2016 G'day Toni brilliant job on the assembly line. Heny Ford would be very proud of you! It was a great idea to drill the holes before it was cut! As you said it was far less fiddly this way. Havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted March 18, 2016 Share #930 Posted March 18, 2016 Toni: Looking good - of course. I was glad that you brought one of the cannons to the last meeting. Outstanding. Chuck's cannon Monograms on the barrels are unbelievable Kurt Elijah, Martin W and mtaylor 3 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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