Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 26, 2016 Share #961 Posted March 26, 2016 To be more exact wha is the WIDTH of each rib/section? THANKS Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted March 26, 2016 Share #962 Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) These are the frames and their width dimension fore and aft (as opposed to the molded dimension ... inwards or athwartships) is determined by the room and space specification for that particular frame station. It can be different along the length of the ship. Look at how smart I seem ... don't be fooled ... I just learnt this a while ago. Edited March 26, 2016 by AON WackoWolf, mtaylor, dgbot and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #963 Posted March 27, 2016 Greg, the fore-aft width of the frame is 0.19" and the top of frame thickness is 0.13" at midship. I hope that answers your question. dgbot, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 28, 2016 Share #964 Posted March 28, 2016 G'day Toni Thank you and that is exactly what I want. Thanks a million mate. Havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share #965 Posted April 2, 2016 It is time to make some of the decorative rails. Suggested patterns for the rail profiles are given in TFFM. I use thin dental cutting discs which are 0.009" in thickness. They are inexpensive and readily available on EBay. Of course, they are brittle so eye protection is a must. I am lucky to have an old Emesco dental engine which gives me slow variable speed without any play in the handpiece. I cut the profiles into the sharp end of a regular single edge razor blade. On this razor blade I have four different profiles and one oops. I have also used Exacto blades for this. Stock which is slightly oversized is used for the moldings. This prevents the cutter from moving too much side-to-side during the scraping process. The tuck molding is located at the junction of the hull planking and the lower counter. This molding has an undercut on its back surface to compensate for the curve of the hull. The profile was carried over to the outer edge of the molding. The discoloration in the wood of the counter is bleed through from applying finish internally and (hopefully) will not be seen when the exterior finish is applied. The waist rail is located just below the frieze. I will add the extreme fore and aft pieces after the rails and quarter badge have been installed. bensid54, Siegfried, Wintergreen and 28 others 31 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted April 3, 2016 Share #966 Posted April 3, 2016 Very nice work Toni. I find myself using the dental machine almost daily - it's replaced my pin vises in most instances. Kurt Elijah, dgbot, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 3, 2016 Share #967 Posted April 3, 2016 Very nice work on the rails and molding, Toni. Elijah and Martin W 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 3, 2016 Share #968 Posted April 3, 2016 Really wonderful work, Toni mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted April 3, 2016 Share #969 Posted April 3, 2016 Hi Toni, wonderful work. Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share #970 Posted April 3, 2016 Mark, Christian and Albert thank you for you comments. Kurt, I agree. I wish it was a little more portable. Mine is wall-mounted. When I was in training, these are the exact type of drill that we used to learn how to perform ear surgery. A little more work got accomplished today. The fore channel has been cut out and thinned towards the outer edge. A rebate is cut into it for a strip of molding. On the razor blade the profile is the second one from the right. I wet the molding to navigate the bend in the channel and clamped it until dry. The chain plates are drawn in on the masking tape. This allowed correct placement and angle of the notches in the channel. Three knees prevent upward pull of the channel. In the picture it looks like the channel is angled upwards. It actually is parallel to the waterline. Mirabell61, dvm27, Mike Y and 27 others 30 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 3, 2016 Share #971 Posted April 3, 2016 Nice job on that channel, Toni! Elijah, mtaylor and WackoWolf 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted April 6, 2016 Share #972 Posted April 6, 2016 Looking great! I'm making note of that technique for the moundings. mtaylor 1 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted April 6, 2016 Share #973 Posted April 6, 2016 Very nice work Toni, I like your "razor blade" scraping tool, never tried it myself yet, but your results look very inspiring and good Nils dgbot, mtaylor, AON and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 6, 2016 Author Share #974 Posted April 6, 2016 Thank you Druxey and Elijah. Nils, the key is to get the super thin cutting discs. I have also made these with Exacto chisel blades. Those are sturdier but for the few feet of molding required in this build, I consider it overkill. The razor blades are much easier to cut fine detail into. Mirabell61, Martin W, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted April 6, 2016 Share #975 Posted April 6, 2016 Toni, what name or brand would I be searching for? David B mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share #976 Posted April 7, 2016 David, there are several brands. My guess is that they are all the same. mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 8, 2016 Share #977 Posted April 8, 2016 G'day Toni Great job on the woodworking of the rails. The GEM razer blade idea is brilliant! It will go into my memory vault. Havagooday mate Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share #978 Posted April 8, 2016 There are only two port covers. The aft one is for the last cannon. The covers are made of two layers of wood; the interior is vertical and the exterior matches the run of planking. The frieze was painted before the hinge straps were added. The hinges were made of the pieces seen in the photograph and then silver soldered. There are eyebolts on the inner and outer faces of the gun port and three additional bolts. The rigging will be added after the exterior hull is a little more complete to prevent damage. The fore port cover is smaller and allows airflow to the fore part of the ship. It is hinged on its fore side to prevent it from being blown open. There is an eyebolt on the inside face. It appears to be hanging lopsided. This is an optical illusion caused by the curved shape of the hull. Dan Vadas, DBorgens, Ryland Craze and 22 others 25 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 9, 2016 Share #979 Posted April 9, 2016 Nicely done ports and hardware! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted April 9, 2016 Share #980 Posted April 9, 2016 Beautifully done Toni. Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBorgens Posted April 9, 2016 Share #981 Posted April 9, 2016 Toni, I love your detail work and frieze painting. I too will make note of your scraper and may need to check into dental tools since my Dremmel died. Dave B robin b, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Current build: HMS Pegasus, English Pinnace (on hold) Completed build: MS Bluenose, Skippercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 9, 2016 Share #982 Posted April 9, 2016 G'day Toni. Excellent work on the port lids and the fine details in the painting. The hinges are brilliant. Happymodelling Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share #983 Posted April 9, 2016 Robin, Druxey David, Greg and Grant thank you for your kind comments. Looking at the pictures I am somewhat unhappy with the file marks on the hinges. However, in reality, the marks are almost not visible. And to redo them is not in the cards! Martin W, Elijah, robin b and 1 other 4 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 9, 2016 Share #984 Posted April 9, 2016 Yeah, macro photography shows up every tiny blemish! I think most of us understand this and 'filter' these micro deficiencies out. Martin W, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted April 9, 2016 Share #985 Posted April 9, 2016 Toni, I have found over the years that close up photos tend to accent things you normally do not notice or see. As far as I am concerned your work is flawless. David B mtaylor, Martin W, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 10, 2016 Share #986 Posted April 10, 2016 Toni, I have found over the years that close up photos tend to accent things you normally do not notice or see. As far as I am concerned your work is flawless. David B I agree with David B. Beside on the realship, the hinges weren't perfectly smooth because the Black Smith would have left marks all over it. Besides, no one would us a jeweler's loop to examine your port lids. Happymodelling Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share #987 Posted May 17, 2016 I can't believe it has been over a month since I posted to the buildlog. Unfortunately, I have not had much time to work on Atalanta. The chesstree and the fenders are relatively simple structures, being essentially a straight piece of wood with a taper towards the water. Make this taper first on an overly thick piece of wood and then sand the inside of the piece to match the curvature of the hull. There is a groove scored on the outboard side. Since the width of the piece decreases inferiorly, each groove must be cut in separately rather than together with a scraper. I used a single tooth scraper to make the groove and then turned the piece around to cut the other side. The chesstree had a sheave built into it. I simulated the sheave by drilling holes at the top and bottom of the sheave opening and then used a chisel to carve the sheave. The next step (no pun intended) was to make the six steps. These were made up by scraping a molding for the mid-portion and then laminating three strips of wood, two on top and one on the bottom to the molding. The sides of the steps were shaped with needle files and an 11 blade. The steps fixed to the wale were painted black. The frieze was carried over the outer surface of the top step. I left the top of the step solid blue. The main and mizzen channels were added next. These are pinned and epoxied to the hull since, in my past experience, they are easily knocked off. The ironwork for the channels is next. AnobiumPunctatum, WackoWolf, capnharv3 and 38 others 41 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 17, 2016 Share #988 Posted May 17, 2016 Delightful, Toni! John Elijah, WackoWolf and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 17, 2016 Share #989 Posted May 17, 2016 Sweet work, Toni. That matching the frieze is some impressive painting. Elijah, WackoWolf and Martin W 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted May 17, 2016 Share #990 Posted May 17, 2016 Wonderful ship model. robin b, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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