Shazmira Posted May 29, 2013 #1 Posted May 29, 2013 Joining the build here. I have been delaying my start as I was afraid of the rabbet. I have never needed to worry about this before but it is time for the plunge. Took the first move and beveled the edge as the instructions say...not without first sending a PM to Chuck for some guidance. Luckily he is a nice guy and answered my stupid questions. Gave it a light sanding to remove any grooves from the chisel I then treated the pieces with wood conditioner. I like the little bit of color the conditioner brings out as compared to an unconditioned piece. I also used 320 grit paper to remove the burn marks from all the bulkheads and have conditioned them as well. I don't plan to stain my build, I really like the color of the natural wood, but I do like what the conditioner does to the wood, so I plan to continue using it on the other pieces as well. Now...time to add glue to the mix.... Ryland Craze, maddog33, fnkershner and 1 other 4 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
ianmajor Posted May 29, 2013 #2 Posted May 29, 2013 Robbyn, I will be watching this build with interest. I am preparing to build a longboat or pinace from scratch for my ship - so all pointers will be useful to me. Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Shazmira Posted May 29, 2013 Author #3 Posted May 29, 2013 Welcome Ian, I hope I do not disappoint! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
augie Posted May 29, 2013 #4 Posted May 29, 2013 I take this opportunity to wish you a good journey on your longboat. With Chuck's design and your skills she should prove to be fabulous. I'll pull up a chair. Oh.....batten the hatches over there. We've had some crazy weather the past two days and it's heading your way. Stay safe. Shazmira 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
DCIronfist Posted May 29, 2013 #5 Posted May 29, 2013 No way you can disappoint. Looking forward to watching sail away on this one :) Shazmira 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine
Chuck Posted May 29, 2013 #6 Posted May 29, 2013 Great start so far....REMEMBER to have FUN with it!!!!!!!! justsayrow and Shazmira 2 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Chuck Seiler Posted May 29, 2013 #7 Posted May 29, 2013 Robbyn, Before you get started in earnest, I would STRONGLY recommend drilling a small hole down the top of the stem piece and inserting a small treenail/down/peg. Because of the way the grain runs, this part is very fragile and is prone to breaking off. Option 2: Glue a long piece of thread to it so you can find it when it breaks off. Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
Chuck Seiler Posted May 29, 2013 #8 Posted May 29, 2013 Oh yeah/....Welcommen to the build..... Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
Anja Posted May 29, 2013 #9 Posted May 29, 2013 Hello Robbyn, Found myself a seat in the front row to follow you on this one. I wish you smooth sailing and happy modeling with this build. Anja . Shazmira 1 Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
Sjors Posted May 29, 2013 #10 Posted May 29, 2013 I see there is sear available after Anja and Augie, I just relax with my popcorn and watching you closely! Enjoy your build and I have faith in you to bring this project to an good end. Shazmira 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
42rocker Posted May 29, 2013 #11 Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) Good Luck on this new project. Later Tim Edited March 10, 2014 by Tim C Shazmira 1 Quote Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
BareHook Posted May 29, 2013 #12 Posted May 29, 2013 Down the "rabbet" hole you go "Alice" no turning back, but will be a fun adventure Ken Shazmira 1 Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred
SkerryAmp Posted May 29, 2013 #13 Posted May 29, 2013 Excellent Robbyn, this one keeps popping up on my "that's cool" radar so will be fun to follow along with your build!! I will grab a seat a few rows back from Augie,Anja and Sjors. Not because I don't want front row, but from back here I can throw JuJu-Be's (the black ones) at them during down time Good Luck (not that you need it I have seen your other work) and Enjoy!! -Adam Shazmira 1 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
edmay Posted May 29, 2013 #14 Posted May 29, 2013 Hi Robbyn, I"ll be in the 3rd row behind your long time supporters,You should be scared of the rabbit as they burrow holes then you sink(Liverpool humor) I"ll bring a lifebelt just incase, Edwin Shazmira 1 Quote
tlevine Posted May 30, 2013 #15 Posted May 30, 2013 If you decide not to take Chuck S. advise, once you break off the top of the stem (and you probably will), put it in the petri dish and leave it there until it is time to start rigging. Enjoy the build. Shazmira 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Shazmira Posted May 30, 2013 Author #16 Posted May 30, 2013 Chuck S. Thank you for that reminder...I remember reading about that in your log. Unfortunately, I forgot about that and have already started installing the bulkheads...But I think in the morning after I have given everything a chance to dry well I will try to drill and put a piece of wire down the length to hopefully give it the extra strength it needs. Thanks to everyone, for jumping over from the SF, and thank you all for your kind words of encouragement. It warms my heart to know I haven't let you all down by taking a break for a bit from the SF and regrouping and recharging before I go back to finish her up. Augie, weather is frightful here today...nasty storms, lots of rain, some hail, flash floods, and tornado warnings. Lord knows the farmers need the rain desperately, but this type of stuff has me rather concerned and keeping a close eye on the sky. I have never lived outside of town, so there will be no hearing tornado sirens out here on the farm...gotta be honest, it has me a bit nervous... I have a question...Do I have to paint the hull white??? Is there any rule that says I can't leave it the natural wood if I want to? I have no problem with the red, but totally dislike the look of the white hull. If something says I have to paint it, then can I paint it some other color? Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
newbuilder101 Posted May 30, 2013 #17 Posted May 30, 2013 If there are any seats left I'll join the crowd. Looking forward to your build. Shazmira 1 Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower
Shazmira Posted May 30, 2013 Author #18 Posted May 30, 2013 You know me Sherry, the more the merrier, and the better I stay on task!! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
tlevine Posted May 30, 2013 #19 Posted May 30, 2013 I personally hate to paint models but IMHO the white really makes the hull pop, especially with the red cap and blue decoration. You will also find that after sanding the wood gets fairly thin in places. A few thin coats of paint cover up that problem. But you have plenty of time to make that decision. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
DCIronfist Posted May 30, 2013 #20 Posted May 30, 2013 Hey Robbyn it's your boat make it any color you like wood included but this is coming from complete rookie so don't quote me lol Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine
SkerryAmp Posted May 30, 2013 #21 Posted May 30, 2013 It all depends on what it is you are after as far as the final product. Ultimately you are the one who has to look at it all day so do it as you like and as you see fit -Adam Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
augie Posted May 30, 2013 #22 Posted May 30, 2013 You're the Captain, Robbyn. Historical accuracy is one thing but your preferences carry a lot of weight. I think some of the most gorgeous models use no paint at all.....just natural wood finishes. Take a look at the Syren by Roger and then compare it to ----- mine. I tried to follow Chuck's instructions as best I could and I think she looks fine. BUT --- if could I produce crisp woodwork like Roger I would have gone that route. Also, most of the time we see Rattlesnake with a white lower hull. But JPett is trying to lay his planking so he can leave it natural. So think about it. And keep the TV tuned to local weather. Shazmira 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
mtaylor Posted May 30, 2013 #23 Posted May 30, 2013 Hi Robbyn, I wondered where you and the crowd went... since I'm late to the party as usual, I go stand in the back and wait for someone to get up to get popcorn then grab their chair. Seriously, I'm looking forward to following along. And I promise not to steal anyone's seat. BTW, we've been having heavy rains and winds for the last week and they've been moving east... so you guys will probably have some more coming your way because it's still rainy and windy here. Shazmira 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
gjdale Posted May 30, 2013 #24 Posted May 30, 2013 Okay, late again! Dang, this time zone difference makes life hard at times. But I'm here now Robbyn, propping up the bar with Mark in the corner and waiting for Sjors to get up for more popcorn! Hope you enjoy the build - I'm sure you'll do an excellent job with it. Shazmira 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Tigerdvr Posted May 30, 2013 #25 Posted May 30, 2013 What kind of wood conditioner are you using Robbyn? Will watch your progress on this project with great interest. Cheers, Harley Shazmira 1 Quote Cheers, Harley<p Under Construction: USS Yorktown CV-5 1/200 by Trumpeter Completed: USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 1/200 by ILoveKit USS Atlanta CL-51 1/350 by Very Fire Liberty Ship John W. Brown 1/350 by Trumpeter HMS Spiraea K-08 1/350 USS Arizona BB-39 1/200 by Trumpeter/Mk1 Design HMS Sir Gareth 1/350 by Starling Models USS Missouri BB-63 1945 1/350 by Joy-Yard, 9/11/21 USS Indianapolis CA-35 1945 1/350 by Trumpeter USS Kidd DD-661, 1945, 1/350, on The Sullivans kit by Trumpeter USS Alaska CB-1, 1/350, Hobby Boss, Circa 2/1945 US Brig Syren 1/64 Model Shipways, Wood Started, On Hold: Frigate Confederacy 1/64 Model Shipways, Wood
amateur Posted May 30, 2013 #26 Posted May 30, 2013 Any chairs left, or am I (as usual) one of the guys popping in too late, and have to stand against the back wall? With respect to painting: no rules whatsoever, just preferences. So if you want - for some unknown reason - to paint her pink , or yellow, or whatever interesting colour - we will raise our eyebrows, and conclude that it is you build, and yours only Speaking for myself: I am very much attracted to the colourscheme of this boat. So, I would paint her if I had to choose. Jan Sjors and Shazmira 2 Quote
Shazmira Posted May 30, 2013 Author #27 Posted May 30, 2013 What kind of wood conditioner are you using Robbyn? Will watch your progress on this project with great interest. Cheers, Harley Harley, I just picked up a can of Minwax wood conditioner at the hardware store...was told by Chuck and others that is works like a charm; especially, on wood like basswood. It keeps the wood from looking blotchy when you add paint or stain. Damn, shoulda set up a ticket booth. I could have paid for my next kit! I do tend to draw a bit of a crowd for some reason. I think it is my unsinkable Molly Brown attitude. When I screw up...which I do often...I just tear it apart and do it again and don't allow those setbacks to ruin my fun. And I LOVE the learning curve here...keeps me working on things. Even my SF which is on hold waiting for a morope order is not going to get me down. I will redo the rigging and get her finished before the summer is over!!! Popcorn? Who said there would be popcorn ? Jan Jan, you will find wherever Sjors is, there is always popcorn. And when Mark is around as well, the bar is usually open! trippwj, Sjors, augie and 1 other 4 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
augie Posted May 30, 2013 #28 Posted May 30, 2013 Robbyn- I think you'll like the Morope. I got the idea from Frank (riverboat) and have used it on the thicker lines for my build. The black is nice but the beige is really nice in appearance. It stretches quite a bit so I pre-stretch it. Even with that it still stretches more but it's not a problem --- in fact I think it helps maintain proper tension. One caution- make sure you apply some thin CA to where you are going to cut it or it will unravel at the speed of light. Shazmira 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
Shazmira Posted May 30, 2013 Author #29 Posted May 30, 2013 First, good morning everyone Attached the false keel and the stem, then filed and sanded some more on the rabbet to rid it of excess glue and such. Got all the bulkheads installed last night took my time to ensure each one was level, straight, and square by using some cut up dowel to hold the spacing. Woke up this morning and it all looks good to me. Now is time to do a bit of fairing to the bulkhead edges. Oh yes, and I need to add a pin to the stem piece to stabilize and reinforce it, then it is on to planking Yippee, happy dance time Chuck and mtaylor 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
Shazmira Posted May 30, 2013 Author #30 Posted May 30, 2013 Augie...how do you suggest I stretch the rope? I was not aware that would be an issue with morope. And thanks for the ca tip. Tigerdvr 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version)
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