AJohnson Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share #31 Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Egilman said: 100% agreement... Anything below 1/32nd scale getting a decent "fuzzy" line is very difficult... It amazes me when those modelers doing 1/72 manage to do it... But then repetition is the practice that brings skills... There is like 4 different ways of doing fuzzy edge camo.... And the supreme consideration is what the builder wants to represent... All aircraft during WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam had both styles of camo, hard edge and fuzzy edge... (depending on the equipment they had to paint with).... Neither style is wrong... And I didn't mean to express the ideal that anything is wrong with either... Correct camo is more pattern than technique anyway and yes scale matters... For example a 4" overspray pattern (fuzzy edge) on a 1/32nd scale aircraft or 1/35th scale tank is equal to 1/8th inch in scale... Speaking from experience it is doable but not easy to do... (takes a LOT of practice and experimentation to get it right) 1/8th inch in a spray is almost impossible to execute with most spraying devices... What you have done is beautiful in my opinion accurate for pattern which on most British aircraft was done with masks during WWII... All I was commenting on is the technique for doing it is perfect, a minimum of fuss, best way to do it in my opinion for what it is worth... Sorry if I offended... Yep we are definitely on the same page, certainly no offence dear MSW friends - you should see some other forums get hot and bothered over fuzzy v hard camouflage lines! 🤣 Landlubber Mike, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 4 others 6 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) As an aside the factory picture of the Lancasters also shows they were “freehand” painted, each is slightly different than the other, so just shows research if your friend if you are after a particular aircraft to model. You can tell these are later mark Lancaster as there are no small oval fuselage windows. So maybe by the time these ones were being built the “mask to spray” or even “mask to chalk line” the airframe were not used at least in this factory. But given the average lifespan of a Lancaster was about 20 missions, it is a wonder they got a lick of paint at all! Edited October 14, 2022 by AJohnson Dave_E, Old Collingwood, king derelict and 5 others 8 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share #33 Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Last update I think before the big reveal. Enamel "Bomber black" from Colourcoats applied, it has a semi-satin type finish which is fine as the next job is a gloss coat for the decals. So after the gloss coat, all that is needed are the decals, adding the undercarriage and bomb bay doors and finally the props. I will do some weathering, mostly the "chalky" looking staining from the exhausts on the black, perhaps highlight a few panels lines around the engines, but not much more. Certainly no need to add "metal" chips to this one! 😁 (well perhaps the odd one on the metal engine cowls / radiator panels....) Then a final flat coat. Not sure, I think I prefer the "look" of a Mosquito in Daylight camouflage, the black disguises her lines a bit - shock! - do you think that was the purpose for black night bombers? 🤔 😂 Thanks all again for the interest, feedback and comments on this build, who knew - one of the best "aircraft" forums is on "Model SHIP World"! 👍 Edited October 14, 2022 by AJohnson ccoyle, Egilman, Ian_Grant and 11 others 14 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 14, 2022 Share #34 Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, AJohnson said: Not sure, I think I prefer the "look" of a Mosquito in Daylight camouflage, the black disguises her lines a bit - shock! - do you think that was the purpose for black night bombers? 🤔 😂 I wonder if that’s also a result of the different camo colours. The green on grey(?) over black looks quite a bit muted compared to the green on brown scheme (to me, at any rate). Andy Canute, Dave_E, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted October 14, 2022 Share #35 Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, AJohnson said: who knew - one of the best "aircraft" forums is on "Model SHIP World"! WE do, {chuckle} THE BEST modeling forum on the net... BAR NONE.... Besides, aeroplanes used to be called ships back in the day, (and occasionally a pilot get asked about his "ship" even to this day, so at least there is a historical context that fits) Old Collingwood, mtaylor, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share #36 Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, realworkingsailor said: I wonder if that’s also a result of the different camo colours. The green on grey(?) over black looks quite a bit muted compared to the green on brown scheme (to me, at any rate). Andy Yes agreed, the Green/Grey is very muted, almost "Coldwar" modern in look. Colourcoats do put a lot of research into their paints (many warship ones also.) So, fairly confident I'm in safe hands on that score; initially I thought the Grey looked too "blue", but it looks close to the few colour photos I have seen. Green/Brown is also my favourite, I'll post up some pictures of this one next to my "Phantom of the Rhur" Lanc. I did a couple of years ago when finished. Canute, mtaylor, Egilman and 5 others 8 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 14, 2022 Share #37 Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) And the Insurance on a aircraft is Marine Insurance. (It was one of Dad's trick questions.) Edited October 14, 2022 by Jack12477 Old Collingwood, Dave_E, mtaylor and 4 others 1 6 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 14, 2022 Share #38 Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, AJohnson said: Yes agreed, the Green/Grey is very muted, almost "Coldwar" modern in look. Colourcoats do put a lot of research into their paints (many warship ones also.) So, fairly confident I'm in safe hands on that score; initially I thought the Grey looked too "blue", but it looks close to the few colour photos I have seen. Green/Brown is also my favourite, I'll post up some pictures of this one next to my "Phantom of the Rhur" Lanc. I did a couple of years ago when finished. Colour matching is always a hard task. I don’t doubt the accuracy of yours. It’s a source of much continued debate in the model railway community, memories, like colour photos, fade over time. Even after someone manages to find an actual factory paint chip from the period with the actual colour formula written on the back, there’s always some old crank or another who’ll swear up and down it was something else (“just look at this colour photo I took on a bright sunny day seventy years ago”). Can’t wait to see that Lanc! Andy Jack12477, Dave_E, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 15, 2022 Share #39 Posted October 15, 2022 12 hours ago, AJohnson said: Not sure, I think I prefer the "look" of a Mosquito in Daylight camouflage, the black disguises her lines a bit - shock! - do you think that was the purpose for black night bombers? 🤔 😂 I think it was done for that reason. Not only hide the lines but on a moonless night, it hid the airplane. Canute, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share #40 Posted October 17, 2022 Hello all , here are the final pictures of the Mosquito, including a few with a Lancaster I did a while ago. ("Pathfinder" for the heavy!) Thanks all for following along. One more kit to finish up and I'm back on the boats for a while. Ian_Grant, Jack12477, mtaylor and 13 others 10 6 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted October 17, 2022 Share #41 Posted October 17, 2022 That has come out well - so nice. OC. Dave_E, Jack12477, mtaylor and 5 others 7 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted October 17, 2022 Share #42 Posted October 17, 2022 That is a really beautiful Mossie Alan Dave_E, mtaylor, Egilman and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 17, 2022 Share #43 Posted October 17, 2022 Very nice!! Both look really good. Dave_E, Jack12477, Canute and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted October 18, 2022 Share #44 Posted October 18, 2022 Nicely done and including the Lanc gives a very nice reference on their sizes. 👍 Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 3 others 5 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted October 18, 2022 Share #45 Posted October 18, 2022 Beautiful model Andrew Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway, Egilman and 2 others 4 1 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share #46 Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Thank you @Old Collingwood, @king derelict, @Edwardkenway, @Canute & @CDW for your kind words! Yes, it is interesting to compare a Lancaster & Mosquito for size and to think they both could carry the 4,000lb "Cookie"! Okay so not the 8,000lb "Cookie", or 12,000lb "Tallboy", or 22,000lb "Grand Slam", but you get the idea, for the "Light Bomber" category the Mossie was THE benchmark for speed, range and payload. I can only finish off by quoting a Nazi! (😲 - I know, not expecting that were you, but it is the finest compliment to the "Wooden Wonder" I know of...) “In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I’m going to buy a British radio set – then at least I’ll own something that has always worked." – Hermann Göring, 1943 Edited October 19, 2022 by AJohnson Edwardkenway, Egilman, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted October 18, 2022 Share #47 Posted October 18, 2022 And these fine people are working hard to build a Flying Mossie - https://www.peoplesmosquito.org.uk/ OC. Edwardkenway, Jack12477, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted October 18, 2022 Share #48 Posted October 18, 2022 Absolutely Gorgeous AJ... Stunningly beautiful work.... (on both) Jack12477, Canute, king derelict and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted October 18, 2022 Share #49 Posted October 18, 2022 Nice job AJ! Really fantastic work - on both! Edwardkenway, king derelict, mtaylor and 4 others 6 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 18, 2022 Share #50 Posted October 18, 2022 Nice job ! Both look good together ! king derelict, Edwardkenway, Egilman and 3 others 5 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danstream Posted October 20, 2022 Share #51 Posted October 20, 2022 Nice Mossie and great pair, Andrew. Cheers, Dan Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Egilman and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current build : Mayflower - AL 1:64, Lady Nelson - Amati Victory 1:64 Completed non-ship builds : Spitfire MK I - 1:48, Arado 196B - 1:32, Sea Fury - 1:48, F-15C Eagle - 1:48, Hawker Tempest Mk.V - 1:48, F104S Starfighter - 1:48 "The most effective way to do it, is to do it" - Amelia Earhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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