chris watton Posted June 9 Author Share #451 Posted June 9 4 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said: What I've been waiting for, thank you Chris. Presumably there is more work to do on the figures before they go into production? B.E. Yes, these are the very first renders, to see if I am happy with them. I am, but there will need to be small changes based on the best way to produce them. BobG, Nirvana, Pitan and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 9 Share #452 Posted June 9 I'm not too sure about the rear view of the standing figure, there seems to be an unnatural look to the upper body, and the coat looks odd without tail vents, as per the sitting figure. B.E. Guyuti, Canute, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 9 Share #453 Posted June 9 Also, the length of the tailcoat? chris watton, thibaultron, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 9 Author Share #454 Posted June 9 9 minutes ago, druxey said: Also, the length of the tailcoat? Needs to be shorter? thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald-V Posted June 9 Share #455 Posted June 9 Really cool! Would be a nice addition to my Sphinx build thibaultron, chris watton, brunnels and 2 others 5 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 9 Share #456 Posted June 9 I think so, Chris. The tails come to a little above the knee. Check contemporary full-length paintings. thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 9 Author Share #457 Posted June 9 23 minutes ago, druxey said: I think so, Chris. The tails come to a little above the knee. Check contemporary full-length paintings. OK, thank you, I have sent better details to the carver. CiscoH, mtaylor, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted June 9 Share #458 Posted June 9 Photo caption: "Chris and his assistant discuss Vanguard's latest project." chris watton, thibaultron, Jay 1 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitan Posted June 9 Share #459 Posted June 9 Agree, the coat tails look long for practical wear, especially on the standing figure. I'd question the standing figure's coat lacking a vent or split from the waist down; that may make sitting down difficult (though ladies skirts seem to work well enough). Digging around, I found this page of a (modern interpretation) of 19c uniforms of interest. At the bottom of the page are images of a dress coat (with lace) and an undress coat (no lace) flanking a modern copy http://www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/. Note, all three coats have horizontal pockets, missing on both the preview figures, together with a vent. This wiki page may also be of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_ranks,_rates,_and_uniforms_of_the_18th_and_19th_centuries The portrait of Sir Edward Pellew at the top of the page shows pockets on his coat tails. If you scroll down the page, there is an illustration of 1795-1812 uniforms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_ranks,_rates,_and_uniforms_of_the_18th_and_19th_centuries#1795–1812), with different ways of wearing epaulettes depending on rank; for example, commanders and captains with less than three years seniority wore only one epaulette, while lieutenants had none. Going back to the figures in this post; based on his cuffs, the standing figure would be either a mid-shipman or a lieutenant, and shouldn't wear epaulettes. mtaylor, Canute, chris watton and 2 others 5 Robert Current: HM Cutter Sherbourne (Vanguard Models), Captain John Smith's Shallop Finished: 15th century wooden boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted June 10 Share #460 Posted June 10 Chris I'm so pleased that you've gone ahead to commission some new figures in appropriate poses to go in the cabin. The responses above about uniform accuracy etc show how highly we are interested in this. I've said before that your figures are the best available, certainly at 1/64, so the more you are able to extend your range, the more popular they will be! Nipper thibaultron, mtaylor, chris watton and 5 others 8 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 10 Author Share #461 Posted June 10 I gave my carver more pictures of the uniforms, and asked to change some aspects. As for me, I am doing the Harpy plans in CAD, which will take perhaps another 6 weeks (I find this aspect a slog, probably because I am now so used to the drill and know the very long hours involved...). All cut files are now done (21 separate laser cut sheets), with part numbers added to each part, and will send a set to Jim soon, so he can start his build log. Amati are in the process of doing the sample PE for Harpy for me (3 frets in 0.2, 0.4 and 0.6mm), so I shall have that in the next 2-3 weeks, I hope. I think this one will be a breeze after Indy... Glenn-UK, gjdale, mtaylor and 16 others 19 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 11 Author Share #462 Posted June 11 (edited) Changes to figures made, I said keep the epaulettes as they are shown on the source pictures my carver used. Edited June 12 by chris watton jim Landis, druxey, thibaultron and 25 others 22 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 12 Share #463 Posted June 12 A big improvement Chris, the standing figure looks just like Rupert Penry-Jones. Is the sitting figure separate to the table/chair, and scaled to fit your existing furniture designs? B.E. Old Collingwood, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 12 Author Share #464 Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Blue Ensign said: A big improvement Chris, the standing figure looks just like Rupert Penry-Jones. Is the sitting figure separate to the table/chair, and scaled to fit your existing furniture designs? B.E. Cheers We need to figure the best way to print them, to minimise breakages when in transit. The sitting figure may have the bottom half attached to the chair. Ryland Craze, Pitan, Canute and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 12 Share #465 Posted June 12 The reason I asked is because I was thinking about retro fitting to my existing 'Indy' model. B.E. chris watton, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted June 12 Share #466 Posted June 12 Neat looking figures! My only observation, as a somewhat experienced seafarer, that doesn’t look to be a particularly tenable position for the telescope. It wouldn’t take much of a roll to have it leave the table and land with a crash… Perhaps a set of dividers, or other navigational instruments might be safer! Andy Canute, HardeeHarHar, Pitan and 5 others 8 Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 12 Author Share #467 Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said: The reason I asked is because I was thinking about retro fitting to my existing 'Indy' model. B.E. I commissioned the whole scene to avoid any ambiguity relating to how the figures would fit in with other parts. If they are done all together, I know they will work with all the parts supplied. Canute, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardeeHarHar Posted June 12 Share #468 Posted June 12 57 minutes ago, realworkingsailor said: that doesn’t look to be a particularly tenable position for the telescope. It wouldn’t take much of a roll to have it leave the table and land with a crash… Excellent observation. The figures are awesome, but the telescope would not be sitting like that (at least not for long). mtaylor, Canute, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Brian Current Builds: HMBV Granado 1/64 Caldercraft; HMS Sphinx 1775 by HardeeHarHar - Vanguard Models 1:64-V2 Completed Build: HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat 1/25 Artesania Latina; Master Korabel - 1:36 Yefin Nikonov's Secret Vessel On the Shelf: HMBV Granado 1/48 CAF Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 12 Share #469 Posted June 12 Uniform coat tails are now much better! Some buttons, perhaps? See: https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-71256 mtaylor, Ryland Craze, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 13 Author Share #470 Posted June 13 I now have machined block sets back in stock for Indefatigable. They are walnut and look very nice indeed, but do cost me more than the machined pearwood blocks I got from Russia, so are a little more expensive. HMS Indefatigable CNC Machined Walnut Block Set – VANGUARD MODELS I will order sets for the other kits in time. Clark, PaddyO, brunnels and 9 others 12 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 20 Author Share #471 Posted June 20 Glenn-UK, Nipper, JeffT and 23 others 21 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowneck Posted June 20 Share #472 Posted June 20 Lovely 3D sculpts for Admiralty-style reveal builds, Chris. I'm assuming these can be had at 1:64. If so, there is some very delicate painting required as well as a removal of the base plinth. thibaultron, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Ron Director, Nautical Research Guild Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner) Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS Camilla) Ongakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 20 Author Share #473 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, hollowneck said: Lovely 3D sculpts for Admiralty-style reveal builds, Chris. I'm assuming these can be had at 1:64. If so, there is some very delicate painting required as well as a removal of the base plinth. The main scale will be 64th, but also 48th and perhaps 32nd. Canute, scrubbyj427, hollowneck and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewsholme Posted June 20 Share #474 Posted June 20 is it just me or do the hands look too big? thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Matt Current Builds HMS Winchelsea by Mnewsholme Duchess of Kingston by Mnewsholme Vanguard models 1:64 Previous Builds Lady Eleanor Vanguard models 1:64 completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 21 Author Share #475 Posted June 21 13 hours ago, mnewsholme said: is it just me or do the hands look too big? I am printing a set now, will see how they come out, and if needed, changed again - but won't really know until the parts are actually printed. thibaultron, mtaylor and Canute 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 21 Share #476 Posted June 21 If the hands are too large - and perhaps the extended one of the standing figure might be - the head is rather small for the figure's height! chris watton, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 21 Author Share #477 Posted June 21 I think I give up on the figures Ronald-V, Oboship, Guyuti and 4 others 1 3 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald-V Posted June 21 Share #478 Posted June 21 (edited) I can imagine you go sometimes nuts Chris Edited June 21 by mugje Canute, chris watton, mtaylor and 3 others 3 3 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted June 21 Share #479 Posted June 21 1 hour ago, chris watton said: I think I give up on the figures Please don't Chris. You are always so good at sharing your thoughts and plans, but the trouble is that you can never please everybody. I think that you yourself have said exactly this before. I think that asking for constructive comments about a project in the planning phase is a good thing to do. But maybe do this just once, and then use the ideas that you like and rely on your sculptor to get it right. None of the other miniature figures I have seen (other than yours) look quite right anyway, except for the very expensive large scale ones that are intended to stand alone as a display item. Nipper thibaultron, Craigie65, hollowneck and 6 others 9 Current build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Completed build: HM Cutter Alert 1777 - 1/64 - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted June 21 Share #480 Posted June 21 They aren’t real people or sculptures, just toys to put on a model. Besides I think I read somewhere that naval officers of this time period had big hands and small heads 😊 chris watton, davyboy, Ryland Craze and 10 others 4 9 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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