Ab Hoving Posted December 26, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 26, 2023 While staying in hospital early this year as a result of open heart surgery and therefore confronted with the finitude of life, I got the idea to picture a ship that was apparently also at the end of its existence. Some weeks earlier I had started another pinas and I used the unfinished hull for just that purpose. But the only thing I could do was to give it a broken rig. It became soon clear to me that if you really want to build a broken hull, you will not get away with the same building technique used for healthy ships. You will have to take into account the wreckage right from the start. So in future, if time is given me, I might work out a wrecked ship with planks missing, showing frame parts and partly broken decks. This is not a completely new challenge for me, as I have always built my wooden models just like they were built in real life, but as we all know: paper is different. In the mean time you might like the result of this first effort, of which we soon will present a Photoshop composition, showing the ship in its natural and fitting surrounding. Also an impression of my latest 'smalschip', sort of a preview for my soon to come new book: smalschip.mp4 Happy New Year, Ab Baker, Dave boatswain, Ondras71 and 25 others 16 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted December 26, 2023 Share #2 Posted December 26, 2023 Ab, Hopefully you are feeling better! Nicely done on the wrecked ship! Ab Hoving, mtaylor, Baker and 6 others 9 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 26, 2023 Share #3 Posted December 26, 2023 I'm glad the surgery went well, Ab. Your wreck is an interesting concept and the model shows it. Baker, Knocklouder, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 26, 2023 Share #4 Posted December 26, 2023 Strange. We see so many posts about damaged models and on repairing them instead of taking a perfectly good model and wrecking it deliberately! Canute, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 6 others 8 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowneck Posted December 27, 2023 Share #5 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) Ab, Can't wait to see your photoshopped final! kool. I was going to place my latest into a diorama depicting a shipwreck on a jagged outcropping, the result of being at the mercy of a storm that drove her into the rocks: dismasted, sails in the water, ships's boat dashed in pieces, sailors scrambling to grab onto some flotsam... but I changed my mind when I had completed Grecian's hull. I just couldn't do it with this model. The topsail schooner's lines were too beautiful to sacrifice her to the sirens. Perhaps some other model that's less attractive since I still would like to attempt this portrayal in one of my dioramas. On The rocks? Not! Edited December 27, 2023 by hollowneck added text Theodosius, dvm27, firdajan and 9 others 11 1 Quote Ron Director, Nautical Research Guild Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner) Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS Camilla) Ongakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgiantman2 Posted December 27, 2023 Share #6 Posted December 27, 2023 I recall several years ago someone on here was making a diorama of a pirate 5th rate ship that had wrecked on a beach, I think it was before the recent crash of the site. I was looking for it and can't find it on here. Brian D mtaylor, Glen McGuire, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted December 29, 2023 Thanks for the comments folks! @GrandpaPhil and @mtaylor: Thank you for your kind concern. I am happy to be modeling still, though not at half the speed I was used to. Hard to unlearn.... @druxey: I must admit it did hurt to ruin a reasonable ship model, but I really wanted to see if it worked. We will see the proof of the pudding once Emiel is finished Photoshopping. @hollowneck: I know how it feels Ron, and looking at your Grecian I am glad you kept it in one piece. Beautiful! @bdgiantman2: Pity. I would have liked seeing others doing this doubtful work. mtaylor, Ondras71, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted December 29, 2023 Share #8 Posted December 29, 2023 Ab, Glad you are feeling better. Looking forward to the Photoshop composition. Marcus thibaultron, Baker and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted December 31, 2023 Share #9 Posted December 31, 2023 I'm glad the operation went well and you're feeling better again. A wrecked ship. This will be an interesting project. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 8 Author Share #10 Posted January 8 Thanks @flying_dutchman2 and @Baker. My son just sent his photographic interpretation of my pinas-wreck: Hope you like it as much as I do... wefalck, hollowneck, DonSangria and 22 others 14 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 8 Author Share #11 Posted January 8 someone missed the crew: Siggi52, wefalck, flying_dutchman2 and 12 others 12 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowneck Posted January 8 Share #12 Posted January 8 That's better. I'm glad a handful of the crew were able to climb into a ship's boat! You and Emiel have crafted another superb father/son composition. Ron druxey, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 2 others 5 Quote Ron Director, Nautical Research Guild Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner) Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS Camilla) Ongakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondras71 Posted January 8 Share #13 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Ab Hoving said: someone missed the crew: Hello Ab. I am very glad that you are now healthy and creating again! I'm thinking of putting your picture on my wall...🏆 Ondras thibaultron, druxey, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Ondras. Done : President - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=90230 Under construction : Roter Lowe - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=114576 Member of the organizing club - https://wchs-c-2023.klom-admiral.cz/en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 8 Author Share #14 Posted January 8 Thanks @hollowneck and @Ondras71, Oh, Ondras, if you want a higher resolution, just call. Ab scrubbyj427, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 11 Share #15 Posted January 11 Ab, Beautiful pictures, so realistic. Emiel does an excellent job with Photoshop. Do you have higher resolutions of all your pictures, especially the ones in your book of 17th Century Dutch Merchant ships? I would be interested in the Fluit pictures. Thanks, Marc hollowneck, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 11 Author Share #16 Posted January 11 Just send me a PM Marc and which picture you like. What I want you to know is that the models in the Merchant book are made by Herbert Tomesen van Artitec and executed in plastic. No problem, I'm sure Emiel has high-res copies of the plates. Ab thibaultron, Ondras71, flying_dutchman2 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted January 12 Share #17 Posted January 12 (edited) The models in the Merchant book are made of plastic? Did he build them using normal POB? Edited January 12 by GrandpaPhil mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 13 Author Share #18 Posted January 13 On 1/12/2024 at 1:14 AM, GrandpaPhil said: The models in the Merchant book are made of plastic? Did he build them using normal POB? Yes GrandpaPhil, the models in the Merchant book are made by Herbert Tomesen (Artitec). He uses cast resin as a base for his models . As far as I know he first makes a solid wooden plug, of which he makes molds which he details with polystyrene. Thus he can cast several copies from one design for his scenery modeling work like https://artitec.nl/v-o-c/ . The models in my next book 'Dutch 17th Century Shipmodels in Paper' are all in paper. Ondras71, flying_dutchman2, scrubbyj427 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted January 21 Share #19 Posted January 21 Very interesting subject, Ab. These Dutch vessels always grab my attention, I will be following with interest. JJ mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 22 Share #20 Posted February 22 Shame on me, somehow I missed this project ... very dramatic results indeed 👍🏻 thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wawona59 Posted March 15 Share #21 Posted March 15 WOW! I've never seen any ship model like this before. This is absolutely fantastic! I think this is a candidate for framing for the modeling room. I hope you have recovered or are recovering from your heart surgery. When and if I ever get a chance to build my dream model of the lumber schooner Wawona I'd like to do a photoshop similar to my profile icon. Well done! mtaylor 1 Quote Wawona 59 John Next Project: Gifts for friends: 18th Century Pinnace, Kayak 17, Kayak 21 Indefinite Hold for the future: 1/96 Flying Fish, Model Shipways Wish list for "Seattle Connection" builds: 1/96 Lumber Schooner Wawona, 1/32 Hydroplane Slo-Mo-Shun IV, 1/96 Arthur Foss tug, 1/64 Duwamish cedar dugout canoe, 1/96 Downeaster "St. Paul" Selected Previous Completed Builds: Revell - 1/96 Thermopylae; Revell - 1/96 Cutty Sark, Revell - 1/96 Constitution, Aurora - Whaling Bark Wanderer, Model Shipways - 1/96 Phantom, AL - 1805 Pilot Boat Swift, Midwest - Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Monitor and Merrimac, Model Trailways - Doctor's Buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartane Posted March 18 Share #22 Posted March 18 Hello Ab, Nice to see you here on an other forum. I am going to post some topics, which are well known by you I guess. Constant mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted March 18 Share #23 Posted March 18 I missed this thread the first time around, as well. I'm glad to hear of your successful surgical adventure. I thought of you the other day when Stad Amsterdam came into San Francisco. She'll be here in port for two or three weeks. I haven't gotten down to the dock to check her out. Maybe this week. Your latest model is wonderful and so's the photoshopped photography. What you accomplish working with cardstock is amazing. mtaylor and Ondras71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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