druxey Posted January 10, 2014 Share #421 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Because of the bow flare, the plank does have to be spilled to sit properly. As it twists, it will widen considerably in order to keep the planking run looking 'sweet'. Edited January 10, 2014 by druxey mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 10, 2014 Share #422 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) If it's any comfort, I know what you're talking about. (Still takes me a second to remember your photos are 'upside down'). Confed has a similar, but much less pronounced, outward flare in the same area of the fo'csle. But because it's much less pronounced, it is handled by letting the planks follow the lower run and then sanding the top curve to gently blend in to the sheer line. I also spiled it slightly. I think this is where you are at now. I remember thinking that, if my situation were any more pronounced (like yours is) it would be a hell of a problem. And I had the added advantage in that I knew that from the point at which the flare began I'd be painting upward to the rail so some 'creative sanding' blended everything together. That said, I really like Hahn's solution with the wider plank. Good luck Mark. I know you'll figure it out. Edited January 10, 2014 by Augie mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted January 10, 2014 Share #423 Posted January 10, 2014 Ebony is beautiful, but very difficult to work with....good luck with it Mark... mtaylor 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share #424 Posted January 11, 2014 Thanks one and all.... I'm still thinking something similar to a stealer method since it shouldn't be just one very wide plank. Druxey, you're right though. And no matter how I look at it, I'll have to spile at least one plank. It might even take 3 planks forward to cover that flair area. I'm still testing, filing, and mentally working on the final solution. augie and WackoWolf 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted January 11, 2014 Share #425 Posted January 11, 2014 Mark, Following along quietly here, learning. How did the ebony react to soaking in acetone? I have never actually soaked exotic woods lik that before, just liberally wiped them down a couple of times and then immediately glued them up. Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted January 11, 2014 Share #426 Posted January 11, 2014 Looking forward to seeing the fix Mark, I am sure it will be something I will want to remember for for future builds, so don't leave me hanging too long mtaylor 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share #427 Posted January 12, 2014 Sam, Wiping, I think, would be preferred. The piece I soaked still has the acetone smell is now out in the garage. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted January 13, 2014 Share #428 Posted January 13, 2014 Mark, did it say straight as it dried? Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 13, 2014 Share #429 Posted January 13, 2014 Great looking build. I'll keep watching with interest. I'm still mystified by scratch builds. - Bug mtaylor and augie 2 Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Vanguard Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #430 Posted January 14, 2014 Sam, It's still straight. Once there's no smell, I'll try using it on something. Bug, It's big mystery to me also. Meanwhile, back in the shipyard..... I think, hope, pray, that I've hit on the final solution to the exterior forecastle bulwarks. After realizing that doing the same thing over and over again again expecting different results is insanity, I went for something just a little bit different. A combination of spiling and stealers! No, wait... I was doing that. Change the wood.. YES!!! Change the dimensions of the wood... YES!!! Went from plum which I wasn't plum crazy about anyway to cherry. Change the dimensions from 4" X 9" to 2" X 12". The wood is more flexible and less grainy than the plum and a nicer color. After playing with some designs and feeding the scrap box, there's now one main strake that runs the 30 feet of bulwark. And two stealers to help make the transition in the flair. The next set pics (in the next several days) will show it fitted and glued in place and hopefully sanded. By the way, try to ignore the pencil marks.... Oh...I guess I better make the one for the other side while this is still fresh. src, avsjerome2003, Sjors and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted January 14, 2014 Share #431 Posted January 14, 2014 Nice idea Mark. Now we will be waiting to see them install. Glad you finally figure out what to do since I know it must have been driving you nuts. mtaylor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 14, 2014 Share #432 Posted January 14, 2014 Good solution - can't wait to see it in place. - Bug mtaylor 1 Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Vanguard Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share #433 Posted January 19, 2014 I have to learn to stop re-inventing the wheel. There was reason why Hahn did it the way he did it. I've scrapped out all previous methods and did his way. First, I spiled a piece of cherry (2 feet wide X 4 inches thick). Then made Mr. Clamp to get the curve. I soaked the wood for about 12 hours and clamped into place. I ended up with all the curves and bends in the right places. I can live with this. Now to go glue them in place and get the ebony trim fitted and fixed into place. augie, newbuilder101, BANYAN and 13 others 16 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted January 19, 2014 Share #434 Posted January 19, 2014 Mark, I like the fix, your dong an excellent job. I can't write that much since I am in a internet cafe in China and the dam keyboard sucks big time. Keep the pictures coming, I will always be watching. mtaylor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #435 Posted January 20, 2014 Done... on the port side at least. I'll finish up the starboard side and then attack the quarterdeck outer bulwarks. Thank heavens they're not as radically shaped. I do, however, really hate macro as I see some things that need fixing before final sanding, like a few gaps in the planking. clloyd, gjdale, Wintergreen and 14 others 17 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 20, 2014 Share #436 Posted January 20, 2014 Nicely done, Mark. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted January 20, 2014 Share #437 Posted January 20, 2014 That was a crazy bend. Well done. Oh and what gaps are you talking about my untrained eye didn't see any. Great work Mark. Quote Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #438 Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks John and Daniel and those who "liked". Daniel, Trust me.. they are there. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted January 20, 2014 Share #439 Posted January 20, 2014 Marc Looking your topic I say to myself Watch and learn And the watch and learn again Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #440 Posted January 20, 2014 Marc Looking your topic I say to myself Watch and learn And the watch and learn again That makes two of us. I'm learning as I go. I just wish learning wasn't so hard at times. Sjors, Piet, Shazmira and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted January 20, 2014 Share #441 Posted January 20, 2014 Great result Mark. See, I just knew that you'd come up with an inspirational solution! Gaps? What gaps? I see nothing! (To quote SGT Schulz......if you remember that show......) DSiemens and mtaylor 2 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 20, 2014 Share #442 Posted January 20, 2014 Nothing wrong with improving the tires Mark. Just leave the wheel alone Really nice work. Thanks for sharing the problem, thought process and solution with all of us. mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted January 20, 2014 Share #443 Posted January 20, 2014 Gaps?!? You are seeing things my friend! Nice fix, and glad it all worked out for you...nasty bend, but the result is what counts! mtaylor 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clloyd Posted January 20, 2014 Share #444 Posted January 20, 2014 I have to learn to stop re-inventing the wheel. There was reason why Hahn did it the way he did it. I've scrapped out all previous methods and did his way. Isn't that always the way... You look at something and wonder why it was done that way, then when you try and do it yourself you find out exactly why. Nice result. Colin NenadM and mtaylor 2 Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted January 20, 2014 Share #445 Posted January 20, 2014 Pedrsistence pays off -that is is serious shaping Mark with excellent results. cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share #446 Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks for the kind words everyone and the "likes". I finished the starboard side and it looks good to my eyes also. And more importantly, both sides match when looking straight on. Great result Mark. See, I just knew that you'd come up with an inspirational solution! Gaps? What gaps? I see nothing! (To quote SGT Schulz......if you remember that show......) Thanks Grant, err... Sgt. Schultz. I've come to the conclusion that we are our own worst enemies as well as critics. Nothing wrong with improving the tires Mark. Just leave the wheel alone Really nice work. Thanks for sharing the problem, thought process and solution with all of us. Thanks for that Augie. I'm not going to guarantee it's right but I did what seemed to work. The shipyard is sometimes a lonely place. augie 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 21, 2014 Share #447 Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks Grant, err... Sgt. Schultz. I've come to the conclusion that we are our own worst enemies as well as critics. That's a great fix Mark, you've had some difficult angles there and you've found the right solution, sometimes it works in our favour to be our worst enemies and critics. She's coming along nicely mate, keep it up. Be Good mobbsie mtaylor 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share #448 Posted January 21, 2014 I took a picture just check everything... things need trimming up front and some cleanup but there's no rush until I get the beakhead deck and bulkhead installed in the future and get test for fit, etc. Oh..looks like it needs more sanding.. I think the expression is "pfffffff". harvey1847, Barbossa, newbuilder101 and 15 others 18 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted January 21, 2014 Share #449 Posted January 21, 2014 Oh..looks like it needs more sanding.. I think the expression is "pfffffff". Never enough sanding. Always seem to have it little more with little higher granulation of sandpaper ... mtaylor 1 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted January 21, 2014 Share #450 Posted January 21, 2014 looking sharp Mark.......but you might want to check that rail at the starboard bow.......looks like it crept up a little on ya. I can't wait to see the hull completely planks.........she's gonna look sweet! mtaylor 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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