druxey Posted August 16, 2016 Share #151 Posted August 16, 2016 Slow and steady wins the race. I'm glad you are taking your time to complete the framing, although the urge to rush is huge! Looking great, Gary. mtaylor, WackoWolf and Canute 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share #152 Posted August 22, 2016 370 Hour Mark! I have reached a milestone - the hull is now fully framed, ok, I still need to do the four filler frames along the stern deadwood on each side, but hey, I'm almost there... I have faired the hull using a combination of curved rasps to know down the high spots and smooth rasps for the detail. I then resorted to an oscillating palm sander with 80 grit paper to take out the heavy scratches. I have a few frames that I sanded through to the chock... I am debating about replacing these frames, but think the repair might be worse than what is there now. I think a few of these chocks can be hidden with planking, etc. There are some small seem gaps here and there that I will fill with glue and sawdust. Otherwise, things are exceeding my expectations. Overall, I am exceedingly happy with how things turned out. Next to do in this order are: Filler frames Refinement of the hull along the rabbet Treenail the chocks Copper bolt the frame feet Add the keelson Finish sand the hull 120, 340, 600 #0000 Steel Wool "point" each of the frames. Making each frame butt sharp and even. Install a temporary sheer strake Finish the top timbers (remove spacers) Install the ribbands Apply finish to the lower hull The above list will easily take me right up to the conference in October. I estimate about 75 hours work. Things I would do differently next time is to be more careful with my spacers. While temporary, I think they should be installed very neatly and relatively in the same location on each frame. You will live with these for a long time and they distract from the model when sloppy. Also, I would wait to install the main frame spacers, which are permanent. I made mine from Holly. While the drawings give a great reference point for these spacers, the subtle change in angle or position of the frame can change the location on the completed model. I will redo some of these so that they run in a fair line when looking down the hull. Thanks for reading! Gary jansmiss, captgino, robnbill and 29 others 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviaamator Posted August 22, 2016 Share #153 Posted August 22, 2016 Cool!!! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted August 22, 2016 Share #154 Posted August 22, 2016 Hoorray! This is a major milestone indeed! One thing about the finish - if you use oil, be ready that it might sip through the frame and end up on the inner side as well. Testing on a few scrap frames would be useful It sounds impossible, especially with grain running along the futtock, but happened for me. If that will be the case for your finish as well - probably better to apply it after gluing in the deck clamps and inner planking, if you plan any? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 22, 2016 Share #155 Posted August 22, 2016 Congratulation on closing the gap. That is indeed a signal event. Well done, Gary. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted August 22, 2016 Share #156 Posted August 22, 2016 Big milestone, Gary. She looks terrific. Ed WackoWolf, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 23, 2016 Share #157 Posted August 23, 2016 Congratulations on reaching such a significant milestone Gary. She looks superb! WackoWolf, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted August 23, 2016 Share #158 Posted August 23, 2016 Beautiful hull, Gary. I agree with you 100% on the spacers as I made the same mistake on Atalanta. Canute, mtaylor and aviaamator 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share #159 Posted August 29, 2016 380 hours in and feeling really good! As you will see in the photos below, I have completed the fairing of the hull in 80grit paper and an orbital sander. I then used a box knife blade to scrape the surface clean. You will note the use of the templates to ensure that I was on target. I decided to replace a few of the frames that were not up to my liking. This was very risky and actually caused me a bit of angst as I was tearing them out... Since last week, I also completed the stern filler pieces, these are dadoed into the stern transom. I am happy with the results. I marked the bottom of the lower sills and then ran masking tape to ensure they were in a nice sweep along the sides. I then placed temporary cross spauls where the ports were to see that everything lined up on the ship. I was pleased with the results. One thing that I missed was the top timbers. I should have made them long and then cut them down. As it is, there area a group of 6 frames along the dead flat that are too short! I will likely pull those frames out and redo them. The time to have made some of the rework was at the time I initially installed the pieces. Now it will take longer and I run the risk of damaging things. This being said, I feel confident that I can make these repairs and have them look good. allanyed, egen, AON and 20 others 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 29, 2016 Share #160 Posted August 29, 2016 NIce work, Gary. I'm sure the rework on those few frames will go well for you. WackoWolf and Canute 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted August 30, 2016 Share #161 Posted August 30, 2016 It's looking really beautiful Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted August 30, 2016 Share #162 Posted August 30, 2016 Really admire your courage to do the reconstruction instead of saying "meh, will make it right on a next model"! Now it would be definitely right. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted August 30, 2016 Share #163 Posted August 30, 2016 Congratulation very nice. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted August 30, 2016 Share #164 Posted August 30, 2016 Hi Gary, Congratulations on reaching this point. She looks great. No one likes rework but it seems to be an essential part of the job - for most of us at any rate. Just one more skill to master. You won't regret doing it. Ed Canute, mtaylor and WackoWolf 3 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share #165 Posted August 31, 2016 Hi All, Thank you for the kind comments and likes. Its all very motivating. Gary mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 31, 2016 Share #166 Posted August 31, 2016 My hat off to you for not simply saying "they'll do". You won't regret the replacement of the few frames or toptimbers that require it. dvm27, Canute, WackoWolf and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share #167 Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) Hi All, 400 hours into the journey. I have spent the past two-weeks doing rework on the top timbers as well as addressing some other quality issues. Overall, I am happy with the progress, but am frustrated by the little mistakes that caused the rework. Somewhere along the way, the scale of my drawings was converted to "fit page" as opposed to "100%". This caused the top timbers on frames 1-6 to be too short. Ugh. Its only off by 3/8th of an inch, but that matters to me. I want to reinforce some of the ideas on what I would do better on next time. I have posted most of these already, and, they are worth remembering: 1. Make your top timbers at least a 1/4 taller than required. This allows you the wiggle room, as well as a place to put your spacers and not have to worry about messing up the actual frame. 2. Make the chocks from the same wood as the frames. I replaced five frames that had the chocks sanded through. 3. Leave plenty of meat on the frame when installing chocks - this will come back to haunt you. 4. Consider building this ship in 1:48 scale to take advantage of all the small details. 5. Install the chain plate filler pieces as you go. They are a permanent part of the ship and can aid in stabilization of the frames. You also will need fewer spacers. I plan to replace the top timbers on the s/b side 1-6 and then add treenail and bolt details this week. I will then do a final sanding of the outside hull and then install the ribbands. I really wanted to get her cleaned up before I show her at NRG next month, but will not rush to do that. More next Monday. Best, G Edited September 12, 2016 by GDM67 albert, Captain Poison, AnobiumPunctatum and 22 others 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted September 12, 2016 Share #168 Posted September 12, 2016 Magnificent! Love that "light through the frames" shots AON, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted September 13, 2016 Share #169 Posted September 13, 2016 Beautiful work. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share #170 Posted October 4, 2016 Hi All, No photo updates this week. I will be heading to San Diego on Thursday with my Naiad and Eagle. Hope to see some of you there. All the best, Gary albert, WackoWolf, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share #171 Posted October 17, 2016 Hi All, Well, its been a little while since I posted, but that doesn't mean I haven't been busy. I had a great time at the NRG conference in San Diego last weekend and met so many wonderful people there. I was very pleased with the amount of interest fellow modelers showed in the Naiad. There were so many impressive builds! Here are a few shots of some attachments that I made for my build board, which sits atop a custom rolling cabinet (I still need to make drawers for the cabinet). As mentioned previously, I do all my modeling while standing. I like a high platform so I don't hunch over when doing detail work. The attachments rest on cleats that fit over the edge of the build board and have thumb screws to tighten them. I am able to move them around where I need them. There is a tray with a cork lining and mahogany sides (hey, it was scrap), I have a pana-vise mounted on a cork top, as well as several Amanti jigs for cutting and carving. I will make a few more as time goes by. I plan to store some inside the cabinet when not in use. My goal is to keep most of my small hand tools and other accessories easily accessible in the cabinet. I am 446 hours into the build. I did a little rework on the frames. I didn't like how some of them faired, so I ripped them out. I am not taking pictures of the rework, too painful. I am still loving the build, but need to remember to move slow for maximum speed. Best, Gary Mahuna, dvm27, jwvolz and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 17, 2016 Share #172 Posted October 17, 2016 Was great meeting you at the conference and seeing the Naiad in person Gary. Your other ship was fantastic as well, and your build board/work station is pretty cool. GDM67, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted October 18, 2016 Share #173 Posted October 18, 2016 Great beautiful work, very very nice. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted October 18, 2016 Share #174 Posted October 18, 2016 Hi Gary I too enjoyed meeting you at the conference. Your craftsmanship on the ship AND the workstation is superb. Canute, GDM67 and mtaylor 3 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share #175 Posted November 23, 2016 Hi All, Its been a crazy month with lots of honey do's... But I thought I would send a few pictures so as to keep the thread alive. That being said, I am 490 hours into the journey. I have continued work on my build board/workbench by adding 4' LED lighting above the build board. I am very happy with the results and cannot believe I went this long without good light. You will also note to fluorescent task lights with magnifiers. In addition, I hang my Dremel from the uprights that support the lamp. I will get working on the shelving over the weekend, provided the Admiral doesn't have me finish grouting the side patio... Best, G Landrotten Highlander, GuntherMT, michael mott and 19 others 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted November 23, 2016 Share #176 Posted November 23, 2016 Hi Gary Great to see you posting again. I think the lighting will pay dividends for you. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted November 24, 2016 Share #177 Posted November 24, 2016 Very nice lighting, good work. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabbersnipe Posted November 24, 2016 Share #178 Posted November 24, 2016 Brilliant idea that led-light overhang structure, gave me a good idea ! E Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted December 8, 2016 Share #179 Posted December 8, 2016 Looks awesome. Steve mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted December 9, 2016 Share #180 Posted December 9, 2016 Gary not only is the lighting great but I really like your work station I also like to work standing usually. I spotted all the clamps along the one end, very tidy. The ship looks very clean. Michael mtaylor, aviaamator and Canute 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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