samueljr Posted January 21, 2018 #31 Posted January 21, 2018 Looks good Ben What glue are you using? Sam Canute 1 Quote ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNDER DEVELOPMENT
Mike Dowling Posted January 22, 2018 #32 Posted January 22, 2018 Thank you for that Ben, I'm not trying to steal your build log I promise. Canute 1 Quote Current build : Gorch Fock Occre Completed non-boat build 1/16 Model expo Sopwith Camel - in shore leave. Previous boat builds: Amerigo Vespucci Occre Yacht Mary Artesania Latina Red Dragon (Modified) Non-boat build 1/24 scale Dennis bus by OcCre - in shore leave. Mare Nostrum (modified) Amati Oseberg (modified) Chaperon sternwheel steamer 1884 Constructo Lady Smith kit/scratch build OcCre Santisima Trinidad Cross Section Constructo Robert E Lee Paddle Steamer Constructo Louise, steam powered river boat OcCre Bounty with cutaway hull Corel Scotland Baltic Ketch (not on MSW) OcCre Spirit of Mississippi paddle steamer (not on MSW) In the Gallery: Mare Nostrum Oesberg Constructo Lady Smith Constructo Robert E Lee Constructo Louise OcCre Bounty OcCre Spirit of Mississippi
Trussben Posted January 22, 2018 Author #33 Posted January 22, 2018 Sam - The yellow glue I am using is Titebond3 ben Canute 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
samueljr Posted January 22, 2018 #34 Posted January 22, 2018 Thanks Ben That's actually what I'm using. The small surfaces combined with the tight grain make it tough to get it to bite in sometimes. Have you started working with any finishes yet? Using scrap from the sheets I've laid down a first coat of 50/50 (mineral spirit/tung oil) with a second coat of tung on top. It' will have to dry over night. Not excited about it so far. Reminds me of wood work/trim you find in houses. No depth. Once dry I'm going to try a wash of burnt sienna and a wash of yellow ochre to see if I can get a deeper patina. I've looked into bithumen(sp?) but not certain if that would be the way to go. If I don't like any of those I may take a look at some of the tinted Danish Oils. Also when I find the finish I want when do I apply it? I know the directions finish progressively, but if it's a two or three step process how to keep it consistent through the build? Sam Canute and chj 2 Quote ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNDER DEVELOPMENT
Trussben Posted January 23, 2018 Author #35 Posted January 23, 2018 Sam, Couple of things that I have noticed in the past using oil finishes. 1. If you have any glue residue on the wood, when you apply the oil it sits on top of the glue and doesn't soak in leaving a blemish, so make sure to wash off excess glue before it dries, or you will have to sand/scrape it off afterwards. 2. Like you said, first coat gets diluted so it penetrates, leave for 20 mins then wipe off the excess oil. Second coat goes on full strength - leave for 20 mins and then rub off with lint free rag to get a nice deep luster. If you don't rub it off well you will get a more shiny and reflective surface finish that I don't care for. Ben Rustyj, samueljr, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
ChrisLBren Posted January 23, 2018 #36 Posted January 23, 2018 Sam - you have to let the first diluted coat of Tung dry for 24 hours before applying any subsequent coats - and those have to dry for 24 hours in between coats. Sorry to high jack your thread Ben ! Canute, Trussben and PeteB 3 Quote
dvm27 Posted January 23, 2018 #37 Posted January 23, 2018 Nice work, Ben. She looks like a great side project to palliate the inevitable burnout that accompanies a multi-year build. Trussben, yvesvidal, Rustyj and 2 others 5 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
Trussben Posted January 23, 2018 Author #38 Posted January 23, 2018 No problem Chris, you were the one who taught me a lot about oil finish on your Confed build. Greg - yeh, the pounding away on the Pegasus for the last several years took some toll, I needed a nice quick diversion that shows some faster gratification. Canute 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Trussben Posted March 4, 2018 Author #39 Posted March 4, 2018 So work has been crazy but I finally managed to get some modeling time in on the Barge. The planking part of the build has been completed, and a lot of care had to be taken to get it right. Soaking of the prespiled planks and clamping to the hull and then drying with a hairdryer seemed to work the best for me. i have lightly sanded the planking and will now begin to remove the frame tabs. ben PeteB, realworkingsailor, Tigersteve and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Tim Murphy Posted March 4, 2018 #40 Posted March 4, 2018 I was just lucky to get the Kit. I will follow your build with great enthusiasm. I hope between your build and Chuck's directions I might build a good model. Thank You. Tim alde, CaptainSteve and Canute 3 Quote
Chuck Posted March 4, 2018 #41 Posted March 4, 2018 That looks really really good Ben. It looks perfect. Careful removing those frame centers.....its the fun part. Canute, Tom E, Tigersteve and 2 others 5 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Rustyj Posted March 4, 2018 #42 Posted March 4, 2018 Looks really nice Ben. I hope to come close to duplicating your work. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Trussben Posted March 4, 2018 Author #43 Posted March 4, 2018 Thanks all, Rusty - I’m sure you will surpass my efforts. ben mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
alde Posted March 4, 2018 #44 Posted March 4, 2018 Your getting me really excited about getting my hands on one of these. It looks wonderful. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
Seventynet Posted March 4, 2018 #45 Posted March 4, 2018 Nice work Ben. Looking forward to many more pictures to help me when I get started on this beauty. Ian Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Builds in progress - Speedwell - by Syren Ship Model Company Builds completed - Hayling Hoy - by David Antscherl - Naval Cutter Cheerful - by Syren Ship Model Company - Cape Cod Catboat - by Bluejacket - Gokstad - by Dusek - Ship's Boat - by Dusek - Brazzera - by MarisStella
Chuck Posted March 4, 2018 #46 Posted March 4, 2018 And before you get too far ahead, Here are some pictures of another Contemporary Queen Anne Style Barge with a different color scheme. This also served as inspiration for mine but I noticed I didnt include any images of this one in my instructions. Note the absence of a flying transom. But more interesting is the carved details that are taken all the way up towards the stem. Also note the additional carvings at the stem. Maybe one of you ambitious lads are up to this challenge. A little inspiration as this one really inspired me while building and designing the kit. I almost used that interesting tiller.....check it out!!! The queen anne figure is NOT original to the model and it was a replacement for the lost original. So they left it unpainted. But the other figures are all contemporary and original. I designed a what I hope is a great set of bones for you folks (which is the stage that Ben is at right now) but if you look around.....check out the museums... there are unlimited varieties of looks and decorations that this kit can be turned into....should you desire. I look forward to seeing some interesting and different iterations. But I do like what I went with as well. WAS IT EVIL OF ME TO POST THESE......ENJOY!!!! Tigersteve, MEDDO, tasmanian and 21 others 24 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Rustyj Posted March 5, 2018 #47 Posted March 5, 2018 Quote WAS IT EVIL OF ME TO POST THESE......ENJOY!!!! Very much so!!! One thing that struck me was that the Queen sat close to the tiller. How was one supposed to gain access to it? Was there enough room behind her for a sailor to stand? Ryland Craze, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Trussben Posted March 5, 2018 Author #48 Posted March 5, 2018 Some beautiful carvings on that model. ben mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
druxey Posted March 5, 2018 #49 Posted March 5, 2018 Whoever carved Queen Anne gave her an orb the size of a football! No wonder she doesn't look happy. Trussben, PeteB, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Trussben Posted March 6, 2018 Author #50 Posted March 6, 2018 Lmao Druxey. druxey, Canute and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Trussben Posted March 9, 2018 Author #51 Posted March 9, 2018 Small update, The frame tabs were removed with no issues, I use a scalpel saw instead of the file that Chuck used. Then the frame tops were sanded down level with the top of the planking and a nice smooth sheer was developed. After that it was an easy job to adjust and install the cap rail and sand it’s outboard edge flush with the planking. Now I will begin sanding the inboard framing and the cap rail until it’s 5/64 thick at the top as Chuck suggests. ben JpR62, Archi, MEDDO and 19 others 22 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Chuck Posted March 9, 2018 #52 Posted March 9, 2018 Wonderful!!! When thinning down the frames inboard I always bend back the corners of my sandpaper so they wont catch on one of the frames and break them. Its hard to explain but Im sure you will see what I mean when you start that procedure. Chuck paulsutcliffe, Tigersteve, Seventynet and 3 others 6 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
MEDDO Posted March 9, 2018 #53 Posted March 9, 2018 Doesn't putting the caprail on now before sanding increase the likelihood of accidentally sanding into it while thinning out the frames? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Chuck Posted March 9, 2018 #54 Posted March 9, 2018 nope...it actually strengthens it. CaptainSteve, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Rustyj Posted March 10, 2018 #55 Posted March 10, 2018 Well done Ben! mtaylor, Seventynet and Canute 3 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Trussben Posted March 18, 2018 Author #56 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Here is the inboard side sanded down to 5/64 thick and ready for floorboards. ben Edited March 18, 2018 by Trussben samueljr, Archi, Seventynet and 16 others 19 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Rustyj Posted March 19, 2018 #57 Posted March 19, 2018 Looking really good Ben. Awsome workmanship. Canute, Seventynet, Trussben and 1 other 4 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Trussben Posted March 26, 2018 Author #58 Posted March 26, 2018 A little more work completed on the Barge, the flooring and platforms were marked for height and installed, also work on the rear seats has begun. Thought i I would show a pic next to Pegasus just for fun even though the barge is double the scale. ben paulsutcliffe, Mirabell61, AnobiumPunctatum and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Rustyj Posted March 27, 2018 #59 Posted March 27, 2018 Very nice Ben! mtaylor, Trussben and Canute 3 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Trussben Posted April 28, 2018 Author #60 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) Couple of pictures of my slow progress with painting, I’m not very good at it and have to use many thinned coats. I will start with the spreaders and then the Thwarts next. You will also see my Confederacy build in the background, she has been cleaned off and some repairs were made to her from our house move a couple of years ago, after the barge is completed I will be working on her alongside Pegasus. ben Edited April 28, 2018 by Trussben JpR62, Canute, Rustyj and 13 others 16 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
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