chris watton Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share #571 Posted March 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, BobG said: Chris, even though you are making these kits to appeal primarily to beginners, the more detail that you can add that make these boats as realistic and interesting as possible would, in my opinion, make them even more attractive to beginners and even experienced modelers as well. I think most less experienced modelers can accomplish quite a bit when they are given accurate, detailed and thorough instructions that have good, step-by-step photos instead of the all too common brief, often poorly translated instructions with poor photos that are maddeningly confusing and too often just plain wrong. One of the most attractive things about models that are simpler in overall design compared to large, complex models with lots of rigging is that there isn't so much going on all at once. The beauty of these boats lies in the more simple, uncluttered lines that they have and one can more easily see the details very clearly. They can be very beautiful when done well but, as you have said, you have to have good, high quality materials to begin with. Thank you. Although it is designed to be relatively easy to put together, they aren't just for beginners. I chose the Zulu especially because it has some pleasing lines, and wouldn't look out of place in most homes, and wouldn't take up so much space. BobG, ccoyle, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 8, 2020 Share #572 Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, chris watton said: I chose the Zulu especially because it has some pleasing lines, and wouldn't look out of place in most homes, and wouldn't take up so much space. Quick! Somebody hide my debit card!! BobG, mtaylor, Ronald-V and 3 others 6 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted March 8, 2020 Share #573 Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, ccoyle said: Quick! Somebody hide my debit card!! Chris has a knack for producing kits I really really want😂😂👍 These coastal fishing vessels are very good looking boats!! mtaylor, BobG, VTHokiEE and 1 other 4 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted March 8, 2020 Share #574 Posted March 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Quick! Somebody hide my debit card!! I'll have a Zulu with me on Wednesday.....something to fill a few weeks until Victory lands. Chris wants me to build for the kit box art. Build log incoming.... ccoyle, Rustyj, Viggen and 8 others 11 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 8, 2020 Share #575 Posted March 8, 2020 39 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Chris has a knack for producing kits I really really want😂😂👍 These coastal fishing vessels are very good looking boats!! I couldn't agree more and there are not that many really good, high quality kits out there of these vessels. I hope he will be successful with these models and that that will encourage him to continue to find interesting, models of fishing boats and other interesting smaller models to offer in his line of kits. chris watton, mtaylor and Viggen 3 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 8, 2020 Share #576 Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, James H said: I'll have a Zulu with me on Wednesday.....something to fill a few weeks until Victory lands. Chris wants me to build for the kit box art. Build log incoming.... Awesome! I'll be one of the first in line for this kit. Edited March 8, 2020 by BobG chris watton, James H and mtaylor 3 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted March 8, 2020 Share #577 Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, BobG said: Awesome! I'll be one of the first in line for this kit. You will NOT be disappointed! 😆 mtaylor, coxswain and chris watton 3 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted March 8, 2020 Share #578 Posted March 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, James H said: Build log incoming.... I promised myself I wouldn’t buy a new kit until I finished my current one. I’m blaming you and your build log if I break my promise 😂 BobG, Rustyj, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 8, 2020 Share #579 Posted March 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said: I promised myself I wouldn’t buy a new kit until I finished my current one. Ain't that the truth! chris watton and mtaylor 2 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted March 9, 2020 Share #580 Posted March 9, 2020 I am not sure if i would call these "beginners kits". I would rather say its a different series than the "Royal navy" line up, considering that these are not warships and not from the same era. From "beginners" point of view, I would say that fishing boats are more suitable than large ships with lots of guns and rigging to start with, but Fishing boats and warships probably do not have the same main audience. I think they have really beautiful lines and they will be really interesting to see with sails. BobG 1 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 15, 2020 Share #581 Posted March 15, 2020 I’m no professional model painter but decided I was tired of Cochrane being gray. So here he is on the deck of my current project, a Chris design from long ago. hollowneck, DelF, Edwardkenway and 8 others 11 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share #582 Posted March 15, 2020 Nice job, Glenn! Should have some more updates in a couple of weeks, just been beavering away getting though boring stuff. (drawings, sorting pics, waiting for sail sets etc.) I do have on order a powered miniature rope making machine, which should arrive in a couple of weeks. mtaylor, VTHokiEE, Canute and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 15, 2020 Share #583 Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, glbarlow said: I’m no professional model painter but decided I was tired of Cochrane being gray. So here he is on the deck of my current project, a Chris design from long ago. That's a really nice paint job on him! glbarlow, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted March 15, 2020 Share #584 Posted March 15, 2020 42 minutes ago, chris watton said: Should have some more updates in a couple of weeks, just been beavering away getting though boring stuff. (drawings, sorting pics, waiting for sail sets etc.) Bristol stuff? 😀👍 Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted March 15, 2020 Share #585 Posted March 15, 2020 Are pre-sewn sails on the expensive side? I wonder why they aren’t included in more kits. I’m leaning towards not making sails for the Alert (still undecided though), but I think I’d be a lot more inclined to add them to a build if I didn’t have to sew them. I’m not much of a seamstress, on the other hand it is good to learn new skills 🙂. Canute, Bobbuild and mtaylor 3 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 16, 2020 Share #586 Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, VTHokiEE said: why they aren’t included in more kits In my opinion they would greatly distract and hide from all the work that went into the model. I did the research on Pegasus, it has every running rigging rope as the real ship according to my research, but no sails. The ropes and detail work would be hidden. davyboy, VTHokiEE, Canute and 2 others 5 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share #587 Posted March 16, 2020 Pre sewn sails are very expensive. I have never liked them anyway, from a personal point of view. So the thought of spending so much on sail sets (clearly, I cannot just order a couple of sets to be made, but minimum is 40 sets) is never high on my to do list. They do suit the smaller model though, especially subjects like the fishing boats, where the sail plan seem to compliment their 'character'. Edwardkenway, BobG, Glenn-UK and 6 others 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 16, 2020 Share #588 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) I'm so glad you are creating these models, Chris. There are lots of period warships to choose from but these working boats are, I feel, an underrepresented segment of good quality model ship kits. They are wonderful boats with important and interesting histories and they come in all kinds of interesting and often unusual and colorful designs. I would love to see more of them in your line of boats in the future. Edited March 17, 2020 by BobG hollowneck, DelF, tkay11 and 4 others 7 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share #589 Posted March 17, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 9:02 PM, BobG said: I'm so glad you are creating these models, Chris. There are lots of period warships to choose from but these working boats are, I feel, an underrepresented segment of good quality model ship kits. They are wonderful boats with important and interesting histories and they come in all kinds of interesting and often unusual and colorful designs. I would love to see more of them in your line of boats in the future. Cheers If this pair sell OK, I will definitely do another one (or two) at some point. BobG, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted March 17, 2020 Share #590 Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, chris watton said: Cheers If this pair sell OK, I will definitely do another one (or two) at some point. Thanks Chris, that would be wonderful! mtaylor and Canute 2 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 18, 2020 Share #591 Posted March 18, 2020 But first a frigate please VonHoldinghausen, Ronald-V, Rustyj and 5 others 8 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share #592 Posted March 18, 2020 10 hours ago, glbarlow said: But first a frigate please Agreed! After my third small/medium development (not counting the two small fishing boats), I cannot tell you how much I want to start doing larger kits. So with 5 kits available, these should help with the larger kit development and material costs. No day job today, am off sick - but no symptoms for the Corona virus, I think I am just a little run down... Murphy, glbarlow, coxswain and 8 others 11 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted March 18, 2020 Share #593 Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, chris watton said: I think I am just a little run down... Hope you feel better soon Chris. Those stunning pictures of HMS Bristol on your website keep on grabbing my attention. If you were to make a kit of her, I think I'd find that very hard to resist! With that said, as I watch others building your new kits, pretty much any 1:64 frigate kit designed by you would be like a syren calling, too. (And I was so sure my next build was going to be something smaller!) chris watton, Murphy, Canute and 1 other 4 Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share #594 Posted March 18, 2020 Bristol is most definitely going to happen, the decoration has already been sorted, plus the ordnance. robdurant, mtaylor, Ronald-V and 9 others 12 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted March 18, 2020 Share #595 Posted March 18, 2020 It’ll be very exciting to see the Bristol; I’m looking forward to seeing the updates on that when they come out. AlanDavison, BobG, hollowneck and 5 others 8 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted March 26, 2020 Share #596 Posted March 26, 2020 Another new release on the horizon 🤫 Canute, GrandpaPhil, KARAVOKIRIS and 11 others 14 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted March 26, 2020 Share #597 Posted March 26, 2020 Thanks as there is great excitement about another kit on the horizon. I am currently enjoying building the Speedy kit and would welcome building another Vanguard model kit. hollowneck, Canute, BobG and 1 other 4 Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share #598 Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) It is actually Speedy's sister, Flirt. As I have a little more time on my hands that I thought I'd have, I decided to compile a set of cut files for Flirt. There are changes, as the vessel will be depicted 'as built' rather than the later guise that Speedy is depicted. No copper plating for the bottom, but 'white stuff', and no flying jibboom. Stern frames are cut in 2mm birch ply, this will be incorporated into future Speedy laser cut runs, including the lower deck 2mm Ceiba or poplar plywood with etched deck detail. In the meantime, I am finishing the two small kits... Am thinking about a different stand, what about this, the base is 4mm MDF and oak veneer, and the acetate cradles are a push fit, no gluing? Edited March 26, 2020 by chris watton Bobbuild, BenD, kurtvd19 and 14 others 17 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 26, 2020 Share #599 Posted March 26, 2020 So caved to the demand and moved from MDF to ply...? My Speedy will have white stuff anyway, historical issues aside no copper for me. Sure wish I had boxwood though mtaylor, hollowneck and Canute 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share #600 Posted March 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, glbarlow said: So caved to the demand and moved from MDF to ply...? My Speedy will have white stuff anyway, historical issues aside no copper for me. Sure wish I had boxwood though I ordered a few sheets, it is very expensive, and I got lucky with the thickness of the sheets this time. MDF will however, always be used for false keel and bulkheads, as I prefer it, as a modeller myself. Plus I do not have to worry about slot sizes.. Edwardkenway, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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