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Next problem  :(

 

I was trying to dry-fit the transom to see how that goes before I started at the quarter gallery's.

I know from Mobbsie that he has to raise the transom a bit because it don't fit how it should be.

I found out that I had the same problem.

So I contacted Klaas to see what he has.

In the beginning he had also that problem but he found out why and what to do.

Because my bulwarks are glued in and  his not, he can change it easier then I do.

But there is no man over board  :D  :D

At the end of this post you will see pictures of that.

What have I ( and many others ) done.

The bulwark has to go down and shaped.

Now you see a gap between the planks and the plate of the bulwark.

That should be closed !

So the whole plate will come down a bit just to the right hight.

What I am gonna do is this.

I leave the transom as it should be.

So my top of the bulwark is 2 mm to high.

When the poop deck is planked , I can make the bulwarks fits nicely.

The only concern that I have is what about the canons on the lower deck.

Try that also out and I must say. you don't see 2 mm..... :D

When it is more, I can play with the second planking so that's also no problem anymore ( I hope )

On the pictures the transom slower then it wil come at the end

 

The pictures are.

 

1 : dry-fit transom

2 : dry-fit transom bottom

3 : red line signed by Hansa to see till where I can take wood away

4 : Green line signed by Klaas to show how it should be.

 

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lovely work Sjors

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Next problem  :(

 

I was trying to dry-fit the transom to see how that goes before I started at the quarter gallery's.

I know from Mobbsie that he has to raise the transom a bit because it don't fit how it should be.

I found out that I had the same problem.

So I contacted Klaas to see what he has.

In the beginning he had also that problem but he found out why and what to do.

Because my bulwarks are glued in and  his not, he can change it easier then I do.

But there is no man over board  :D  :D

At the end of this post you will see pictures of that.

What have I ( and many others ) done.

The bulwark has to go down and shaped.

Now you see a gap between the planks and the plate of the bulwark.

That should be closed !

So the whole plate will come down a bit just to the right hight.

What I am gonna do is this.

I leave the transom as it should be.

So my top of the bulwark is 2 mm to high.

When the poop deck is planked , I can make the bulwarks fits nicely.

The only concern that I have is what about the canons on the lower deck.

Try that also out and I must say. you don't see 2 mm..... :D

When it is more, I can play with the second planking so that's also no problem anymore ( I hope )

On the pictures the transom slower then it wil come at the end

 

The pictures are.

 

1 : dry-fit transom

2 : dry-fit transom bottom

3 : red line signed by Hansa to see till where I can take wood away

4 : Green line signed by Klaas to show how it should be.

 

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I looked at that problem again this afternoon, and started to measure the whole thing. (again)

There is really not much harm done by sanding the top of that bulwark a little

There is only one important reference (to me) and that's the floor of the balcony in combination with the windows on the side.

Those windows and the gunports on that same deck should be in line.

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Nice work Sjors, the windows look real good now . You're moving along pretty fast, I think a little of Mobbsie has rubbed off on you!! :D

 

Frank

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in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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Thanks Frank,

 

Mobbsie has nothing to do with it...

He just finished his kitchen.

Hopefully he can go back to his Aggy again.

It's to long ago for any updates....

 

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Morning Sjors,

 

I have a worry mate, can you check parts 249 and 250 against the transom before you cut or remove any parts of the Bulwark pattern.

 

The problem I had was that the transom was too low and I had to raise it by 5mm, this was fairly easy to do, but I would advise you to add fillers rather than remove wood.

 

Please tell me my concerns have no foundation.

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

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great that your overcoming these problems........actually,  a good many of these kits have these small fo-pahs.   it's all in how you overcome them,  that makes a build great.   your doing a swell job!  ;)

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Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

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Doing really well catching all of the FUBAR's of the kit there Sjors, always helps as you say having a few hundred eyes watching over your shoulder, helped me out a few times on Pegasus!

 

Ben

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Nice work and good plan it seems.   And yes, this is very good practice for when you cross over to the darkside.  :)

Mark
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Thanks Ben and Mark,

 

It's really a jigsaw those quarter gallery's......

The support beams on the port side are almost on it.

One more to go and then I can make a picture of it and please give me your comments then.

Then I can place the walls with windows.

I don't put the transom on it because I have to turn her upside down for the second planking and coppering to avoid damage.

 

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The support beams on the port side are on it.

I painted the back wall white and lay planks on the floor.

Now I can go to the starboard side and then......good question.

I want to have your opinion on this.

What do I do first....

The windows and painting the quarter gallery's first and then the second planking or the other way around ?

Don't forget that where the quarter gallery's are coming, the surrounded area will be also be painted black.

 

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Hi Sjors,

Well done so far mate, tell me, when the transom is properly fitted that that gap with the galleries dissapears?

I would continue with the galleries, glaze the walls and glue them on. You will have use a little filler to smooth out the transition from gallery to hull.

When you have done that do the second planking and then paint.

Hope that helps mate.

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

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All mistakes are deliberate ( me )


Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle

 

Completed Builds :-   Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ),  Granado Cross Section 1/48

Harwich Bawley, Restoration,  Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration,  Will Everard 1/67 Billings 

HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
Thames Steam Launch Louise,  Thames Barge Edme,  Viking Dragon Boat


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I'm glad to see Mobbsie's comment.  He should know!

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Hi Sjors

 

Its fantastic to se how nice work you are doing, the planking looks perfect. :)

Keep up the nice work

 

Børge :)

Current build(restore, bashing)
BB582 "Dragen" Scale 1:12


On hold: BB534 Bolougne Etaples Scale 1:20

Not started: Model Shipways MS2040 USS Constitution 1:76

 

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@ Mobbsie,

 

Thank you !!!!!!!

The stern is hanging just loose  :P  :P  :P

And I need some filler to get everything closed.......

So, first I finishing the quarter gallery's with every thing on it and then I go further......

Thank you Sir !!!!!! :D  :D

I also have a little talk with Klaas on the other forum about this.

His idea was to finish the whole stern ( transom and all the stuff ) and the goes to the second planking.

We will talk about this tomorrow evening on Skype  :D

 

@ Augie,

 

I know that Mobbsie knowing about this but I wanted to see what others will saying about this.

But at the end I will listen to Mobbsie   :P  :P

( I have to keep my friend satisfied ) ( just kidding ) ( or not ) Pfffff ( there he is again ;) )

 

@ Borge,

 

You are still around my friend ????

Thanks !!!!!

I will do my best !

 

@ Patrick,

 

If you find it all ready great  when I only place the support beams wait till you see the windows on it !!! ;)  ;)

But thanks for the good word !!!

 

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I am around..

 

The ARM aint good, my back is bugging me. :)

We have spring at the moment so a lot to to outside, and inside.

We have changed the livingroom  floor covering, and other things to come..

 

Børge

Current build(restore, bashing)
BB582 "Dragen" Scale 1:12


On hold: BB534 Bolougne Etaples Scale 1:20

Not started: Model Shipways MS2040 USS Constitution 1:76

 

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Take care of your self Borge !

Say Hi to the Admiral  :D  :D

And we have also summer....o no, still spring....

 

@ Sam,

 

Thanks !!!!!

You still have to wait for those gallery's.

I'm working on them but it takes time.

 

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Hi Sjors,

 

Fine progress!

 

I find myself using the like button a lot in order to leave more room for your pics!

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

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After 2 weeks the quarter gallery on starboard side are on it !!!!!!!!

 

You see a lot of filler but.....the manual is saying that a gap is normal and will be hide by decorations.

Before you will see "air" ,I use filler  :D  :D

The supports for the gallery's on the port side are on it and now I can place the windows.......

After that the second planking will be starting.....

 

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I'm with Grant.  Looks great.  I just may have a jar of filler around here somewhere ;)

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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