Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 26, 2014 This guy is planking vertically, while the method I am used to is horizontally, meaning you lay each plank all the way from bow to stern. What are your comments on this matter? What would problems arise with this "vertical" method? Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruginmi Posted May 26, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 26, 2014 I guess the question is does the builder have a plan about how the planks will lay across the whole hull. It looks like they are getting some close line up of the plank ends which isn't optimal. I would guess they are doing single planking (double planking it wouldn't matter at all) and are really focused on the joinery at the bow and stern. It could turn out fine, my gut just says it would be harder making sure everything lines up from bow to stern. I don't think I will be going in this direction. Mark mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted May 26, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2014 May be a closer reflection of actual practice. The ends were the challenge - the mid-body was more or less a straight run. Take each strake as he has done and extend to fill the rest. mtdoramike, augie and mtaylor 3 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 26, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 26, 2014 I can understand how this might work out fine. There really is not much of a relationship between what's happening at the bow vs. the stern. As Wayne says, this could be how it was actually done. Glad you brought it up as it gives us something to consider. For me, I couldn't stand the suspense of waiting to see how it's going to work out. I'll continue with the more traditional method of laying belts. trippwj, pete48, alde and 2 others 5 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted May 26, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the pics I can't help but think that is the finished product.I suspect the other side is fully planked and this side is to be left open to show the frames.This does follow actual construction process on the real thing but can't help think it is frought with problems on a model even with a planking expansion drawing. Kind Regards Nigel WackoWolf, trippwj, augie and 3 others 6 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted May 26, 2014 Nigel may be right. That is a definitive possibility. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 26, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the workmanship of the rest of the boat, I'd say this builder knows exactly what he is doing. Bob mtdoramike, pete48 and ulrich 3 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintrow Posted May 26, 2014 Share #8 Posted May 26, 2014 Ulises Could you give the source of the photos ?? I (and maybe others) would like to see more of the build. thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete48 Posted May 26, 2014 Share #9 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the workmanship of the rest of the boat, I'd say this builder knows exactly what he is doing. Bob I would have to agree with Cap'n'Bob, as well as Nigel. Best Regards, Pete Mirabell61, WackoWolf, NMBROOK and 1 other 4 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) Ulises Could you give the source of the photos ?? I (and maybe others) would like to see more of the build. thanks Tom Its from a PDF file of a magazine from a Ship Modeling Club in Spain. Obviously in Spanish. Too large to post here. (19mb) If you want I can try to zip it and send by email. Edited May 26, 2014 by Ulises Victoria Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 27, 2014 Share #11 Posted May 27, 2014 First thing that came to my mind is as Nigel and others have posted. Further, some adjacent planks end at the same spot. I don't believe there would ever be two adjacent strakes with butts on the same frame, so this reinforces the idea that this is the builders way of showing off his framing. Allan NMBROOK 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 27, 2014 Share #12 Posted May 27, 2014 I would have to agree with Cap'n'Bob, as well as Nigel. Best Regards, Pete I`m with Bob, Nigel and Pete That model is very interesting in look it is expressing his /her Feelings about the planking Job in a very Special way... Nils NMBROOK and pete48 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 28, 2014 Share #13 Posted May 28, 2014 Sorry, folks, but I respectfully beg to differ. The planking runs at the bow don't look right to my eye. The garboard strake runs too far up the bow, causing crowding further up the bow (if it were the right way up!). See my sketch for what I think would be closer to the way it was done. Others have already commented on the plank butt scheme, which seems random to me. However, ultimately the result has to please the builder. NMBROOK, michael mott and dvm27 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted May 28, 2014 Share #14 Posted May 28, 2014 Accidentally found a photo of Oliver Cromwell model (unfinished), planked in same style: Looks interesting actually! John Cheevers, pete48, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey2 Posted May 28, 2014 Share #15 Posted May 28, 2014 Certainly done to show the framing, and by comparison the planking is a lot cleaner in termination. Quote Current build USF Confederacy Previous log - HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted May 29, 2014 Share #16 Posted May 29, 2014 Hi. Search for REVISTA 01 AMNCAT-SOTAVENTO Thx Quote https://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php/el/ There are no bad or good model makers. There are only less or more experienced. In gallery Tsernikoperama - Trechandiri Brachera - Bombarda Sabatiera -Tserniki vessel rigged as Penna - NE Aegean Sea Tserniki -Tserniki of Mykonos Island -Tserniki of Mytilene Island -Trechandiri-schooner rigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #17 Posted May 29, 2014 Accidentally found a photo of Oliver Cromwell model (unfinished), planked in same style: 01110081.jpg 01110089.jpg Looks interesting actually! Thanks for sharing the pics Mike, a very fine and interesting looking model Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted May 31, 2014 Share #18 Posted May 31, 2014 The entire journal is a good read (even if you can't read Spanish). There is a great article on a boat made by a five year old with assistance from adults. the squid recipe looks tasty too. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted May 31, 2014 Share #19 Posted May 31, 2014 I am in total agreement Druxey,had this been a planking job in the process,serious issues would be encountered filling the middle in.Also because the frames have not been faired properly if at all. Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted June 11, 2014 Share #20 Posted June 11, 2014 For some mysterious reason, this is easier to appreciate if the image is turned upside down. I would even bet which part was done last... Trussben, druxey, michael mott and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted June 11, 2014 Share #21 Posted June 11, 2014 I guess you could call that an Admiralty style plank method then. I would think that for anyone to do this, as far as fully planking a hull goes, if your not cutting your own planks, there could be quite a problem with gaps. the oldest method that I know of, is planking from the garboard up Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted June 13, 2014 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2014 In full-scale practice one would finish one strake (usually) from bow to stern, alternating port and starboard. Otherwise, it would very difficult to maintain symmetry. Where one started with the planking is a question of time in history and type of vessel. Typically, the garboard strakes were laid first. Then often wales very fitted and the rest filled up. The reason for this sequence is that it defines and fixes the shape (and the components) of the vessel at an early stage. Up to the 17th century, the entire ship may have been built up from the keel, reflecting northern practices that date back to the shell-first method of the Viking-Age. My impression is that in this particular case the planking was left incomplete to show the internal structure of the hull. I would agree that in the process the planking at the bow didn't turn out quite right. wefalck Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted June 22, 2014 Share #23 Posted June 22, 2014 I guess it's another way to show off the framing but certainly the planking is not correct as per Druxeys picture to what would if been done real world. But still another way to do the job! Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted June 25, 2014 Share #24 Posted June 25, 2014 I think you have to try to do it the way the real ship wrights did it. Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted June 25, 2014 Share #25 Posted June 25, 2014 I think it's a really nice planking job. But to me, the end justifies the means as long as the hull gets planked and it's pleasing to the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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