Vane Posted January 7, 2020 Author #91 Posted January 7, 2020 I thought this photo kind of explained it all. I use the heatgun for the 2nd planking. I am not that careful during the 1st. U just need to get the shape right. I soaked the gunpatterns in hot water and placed it in the rabbit and put it in place with PVA. It was a very simple fit with no adjustments. Ryland Craze, JpR62, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 7, 2020 Author #92 Posted January 7, 2020 I dont think u need to worry that much for the first planking. Just get the gunports in the right position. Later u sand everything down and use some woodfilling where its needed. It dont have to be pretty. Its the 2nd planking where all efforts should go Into. Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 7, 2020 Author #93 Posted January 7, 2020 Bob, u got a great build there. Museum Q in my opinion! Yes, if ur only into minor boats its fully understood a larger scale is better. Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
DelF Posted January 7, 2020 #94 Posted January 7, 2020 Vane: Ok, that’s helpful. I guess I was over-thinking it. Bob: thanks. I’ve used Chuck’s edge bending techniques on other builds but I don’t think it would work on the gun port pattern as it’s too wide (see Vane’s picture above). However Vane’s advice is that it shouldn’t be an issue so I’ll get on with it tomorrow. Derek Quote Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Bob Portsmouth Posted January 8, 2020 #95 Posted January 8, 2020 Thanks Vane, very kind of you. Derek, I seem to remember the bulwark pieces are cut to a shape that doesn't require lateral bending. I've decided not to scratch Speedy, this build will keep me busy until Maris Stella release their kit. Plus I've been on other project for a couple of years (paintings mostly) so need to get my hand and eye working (I've noticed the arthritis has got worse!!) Lots for all of us to do! Quote
DelF Posted January 9, 2020 #96 Posted January 9, 2020 Thanks Bob. I suspect we’re at cross purposes - my fault for mentioning edge bending. You’re right when you say the gun port patterns don’t require lateral bending. What I struggled with was bending the pattern across it’s width to follow the tumblehome. This was quite pronounced near the bows. Rather than hijack Vane’s I’ll cover my experience in my own log. Derek Bob Portsmouth 1 Quote Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Bob Portsmouth Posted January 9, 2020 #97 Posted January 9, 2020 Ok Derek. Just looking at Diligence, it was only 8' shorter than Speedy built on the same lines. There isn't much of a tumblehome (though that could be due to me building??) Quote
Vane Posted January 10, 2020 Author #98 Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 9:48 PM, Bobbuild said: Looks like an interesting plan. I hope Chris at Vanguard decides to do the Bellona kit. It looks like a really beautiful ship. I will be starting the Speedy after finishing POF of Bob Hunts LSS AVS "Patrick Henry" and Vanguard's Alert So far Vanguards has come up with Alert and Speedy in various mtrl options as well as quality accessories to "pimp" ur other kits such as deadeyes, hearts, ladders. As i understand, the next kit to come out is an unnamed smaller vessel where we have gotten a teaser skeleton. Chris has also been quite clear that the 50gun HMS Bristol is under development but he wants to ramp up his business with the minor vessels first. Various of other frigattes has been mentioned as future possibilities but i dont think anything is written in stone yet. Personally, I really enjoy following his thread and seeing how things progress. Its always exciting when something new is posted. I will much likely buy more kits from him as they are the best. I also want to support the startup of Vanguard models, making sure we get more interesting kits in the future. I hope he sticks with 1:64 and the Royal Navy for a while since that is my direction too. Bellona would be really great to see and a high priority for me if it comes out. ErnieL, egkb, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
BenD Posted January 10, 2020 #99 Posted January 10, 2020 I can definitely agree about watching Chris's thread. When he finally gets around to developing the HMS Indefatigable I'm going to be bouncing off the walls. Quote Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale
Vane Posted January 10, 2020 Author #100 Posted January 10, 2020 Do you think it will be the original version with 64 guns or the razeed with 44? Or two options in one kit, but that sounds challanging to design... Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
BenD Posted January 10, 2020 #101 Posted January 10, 2020 It will be Razeed 44 for sure. If I recall correctly Somewhere in Chris's thread he talked about having a 1/64 and 1/72 Sir. Edward Pellew ready for casting. Quote Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale
Vane Posted January 14, 2020 Author #102 Posted January 14, 2020 Back with Miss Speedy... and continue with the 2nd planking 🙂 VTHokiEE, GrandpaPhil, JpR62 and 9 others 12 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 17, 2020 Author #103 Posted January 17, 2020 It aint pretty but i saved probably 20 strips of boxwood... Edwardkenway, GrandpaPhil, Ryland Craze and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 18, 2020 Author #104 Posted January 18, 2020 Yes, of course, soon its time to start coppering again and it will be interesting to see how the Vanguards copper comes out compared to my HMS Snake (Caldercraft). Here is the result after sanding. I am no masterplanker but it looks much better than my previous builds. Boxwood is amazing to work with and i am really happy i went with the master shipwright version. However, there are some colour variations in the wood. I tried to use similar planks and picked out the most "yellowish ". Some are almost gray in comparison. Barbossa, BenD, James H and 11 others 14 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Blue Ensign Posted January 18, 2020 #105 Posted January 18, 2020 Looks good to my eye Vane, well done. 👍 B.E. Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Vane Posted January 19, 2020 Author #106 Posted January 19, 2020 This step always worries me but the MDF pieces snapped off easily GrandpaPhil, Edwardkenway, coxswain and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 19, 2020 Author #107 Posted January 19, 2020 With my Proxxon drill it just to a few minutes to clean the deck. coxswain, JpR62, Ryland Craze and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted January 19, 2020 Author #108 Posted January 19, 2020 Time to decide if i should plank the deck myself or use the lazer engraved... what do you think? It amazing how much precision its in laser manufacturing. Its an amazing fit just a few holes at the end that is off my a few micrometers. Edwardkenway, GrandpaPhil, coxswain and 6 others 9 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
James H Posted January 19, 2020 #109 Posted January 19, 2020 Nice idea on saving that boxwood below the coppering. chris watton and Gregory 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Vane Posted January 19, 2020 Author #110 Posted January 19, 2020 Thanks but its not mine. I saw it somewhere on this forum before. Its really great to pick up tips and tricks here! chris watton 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
ASAT Posted January 19, 2020 #111 Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Vane said: Time to decide if i should plank the deck myself or use the lazer engraved... what do you think? Plank it using maple, or holly or maybe that leftover boxwood? Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
VTHokiEE Posted January 19, 2020 #112 Posted January 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Vane said: Time to decide if i should plank the deck myself or use the lazer engraved... what do you think? I’d be really tempted to plank it with that spare boxwood. The laser engraving seems like you have a great template to use and make the work a bit easier. I’d like to eventually see the laser engraved deck in person, but right now I feel like planking the deck would be a really nice enhancement to the build. Bob Portsmouth 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Vane Posted January 19, 2020 Author #113 Posted January 19, 2020 On the one hand, I think a properly laid plank deck in maple would look best. But on the other hand, the laserdeck would same me tons of work and it also includes some details difficult to make. And it would be really interesting to try it out and see if this works. This kit has so many New solutions so perhaps its just right för this build. James H 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
ASAT Posted January 19, 2020 #114 Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Oh come on Vane, those margin planks are a piece of cake! Well, not really but they are a skill we need to learn, really sets a deck apart....if it wasn’t a lot of work, it wouldn’t feel so great when it’s done and looking awesome! I don’t know about you, but to me, Master Shipwright and laser etched deck are kind of mutually exclusive.... no disrespect to you, Chris, or Vanguard Models intended. Just my own opinionated opinion.... 😀😁 Edited January 19, 2020 by ASAT Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
Gregory Posted January 20, 2020 #115 Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Vane said: On the one hand, I think a properly laid plank deck in maple would look best. But on the other hand, the laserdeck would same me tons of work and it also includes some details difficult to make. And it would be really interesting to try it out and see if this works. This kit has so many New solutions so perhaps its just right för this build. Here is a way to explore an alternate deck without damaging the kit provided one. You can transfer a template to tissue paper. Then you glue your planks to the tissue paper, allowing for the waterway . If it is satisfactory when finished, you can glue the whole thing to the existing deck. I have done this with success on some small projects, and it should work at this level also. VTHokiEE 1 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
Gregory Posted January 20, 2020 #116 Posted January 20, 2020 4 hours ago, SpyGlass said: I was toying with idea of just using bits of the laser engraved deck like the lovely nibbed section detail and the nice joints on the adjacent planks but could i get a colour match of the wood ? I think that is an excellent idea. I don't think a precise color match would be as important as the over-all appearance. Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
Bob Portsmouth Posted January 20, 2020 #117 Posted January 20, 2020 Vane, if you don't plank it now it can't be done later! If you use the printed board I predict that by the time you've finished the build you'll already be regretting it. But you know what they say about opinions?! Bob Quote
DelF Posted January 20, 2020 #118 Posted January 20, 2020 Great work so far Vane - I don't think I'll catch up with you at the rate you're progressing! Like you, I'm in two minds about using the laser engraved deck. On the one hand the detail and precision is great; on the other hand, I'm worried that the laser char stands out a little too much. I might risk a light sanding to tone it down a little. If that doesn't work, I'll use it as a template and lay my own deck. I quite enjoy decking, and I've got a reasonable supply of fairly uniform boxwood, so it'll be no hardship. And I like Gregory's suggestion about tissue paper, which sounds like a good way to go. Derek Quote Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Chuck Posted January 20, 2020 #119 Posted January 20, 2020 If it helps you make a decision, the laser etched deck sheet has some issues with the plank shift pattern. There would not be any butt joints in the deck planking between the gratings etc. they werent needed with such a short span and would only make everything weaker. They would have used one length between the fittings down the center of the deck as the distance between fittings was so short. They wouldnt continue the shift pattern at all like its made. Gregory, paulsutcliffe and Murphy 3 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
ChrisLBren Posted January 20, 2020 #120 Posted January 20, 2020 The deck is a focal point on any ship model - its one of my favorite areas to build - to me a laser etched deck doesn't look right davyboy, Gregory, mort stoll and 1 other 4 Quote
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