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Posted (edited)

I share your torments. I started thinking if it was worthwhile installing them on my model as well.

I even went down the path of purchasing the Longboat kit from Syren, to install on top of these beams....

If I was you, I would leave the beams bare and would remove the cradles. They distract the eyes and ruin the purity of the Navy Board style model you are trying to achieve (and succeeding at it).

 

Yves

Edited by yvesvidal
Posted

I agree with Yves and Chris to leave the cradles off if you don't fit the boats.

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted
4 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

I’m not convinced that I like the look of the bare cradles on the beams.

 

I'm late to this opinion party, but also agree with my colleagues: less is more. Dump the cradles. Your Navy Board model is beautiful and these extra bits muck it up.

 

Ron

Director, Nautical Research Guild

Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society

Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society

 

Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner)

Completed Builds: HMS GrecianHMS Sphinx (as HMS CamillaOngakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS GodspeedHMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren

 

Posted

With the masts and rigging the boats are a nice touch, without those the boats, cradles, and perhaps even the skid beams overweight the top and distract from the rest of the model….in my humble opinion. 

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: Don't know yet.
Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

Posted
7 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

Cheers Guys, you have confirmed what I really knew. 👍 it sometimes helps when others put it in black and white.

 

I will leave the skid beams  insitu for the present and display the boats on their cradles as a separate display within the case, when the time comes.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

 

 

Excellent choice, IMO.  Since your build is Navy Board style, follow it and your feelings.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Posted

Post One Hundred and Thirty nine

 

Port lids

 Thankfully only three per side to prep plus the Bridle port lids.

 The Bridle port was originally moulded shut into the topsides pattern,  but I opened it up early in the build, so the cut-away piece will require some fettlin’

 

Care needs to be taken in fitting the three lids to the correct port. They are handed Port and Starboard, and the best way is to check that the scribed lines match up with the adjoining planks.

 

In retrospect I think it would have been better to fit the lids, if only temporarily, before the guns were put into place.

 

I assembled the two parts of the lids  before painting.

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The provided eyelets to represent the port lid ring bolts are 1.9mm outside ø but are rather too broad with a flat profile which is inevitable with photo etch.

These are tiny fittings but I find them unconvincing, looking like what they are, bent over eyelets.

The rings properly scale to 0.4mm ø wire, 0.7mm in the clear, pretty tiny stuff to scratch make.

 

My compromise is to drill out the provided rings using a 1mm drill and dispense with the stems.

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The rings are secured to a fine bolt which allows the internal lid rings to hang naturally.

 The kit provided port lid hinges are finely made, these are chemically blackened before use. I used carefully applied ca to fix the hinges.

 The port lanyards are of 2” circ line (0.25mm ø line).

 

Seizing the lanyard to the lid ring bolt is tricky at this scale without  making it look oversize.

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I use the ‘false’ splice method feeding the line thro’ and back the line before sealing with a spot of diluted pva and trimming.

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The forward port lid only opens to the horizontal level as it falls between the aft end of the Main Channel and stool.

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Rigging the aft port lid; the lanyard is threaded thro’ the ring before fixing. The lid is simply pushed into place in the pre- cut holes.

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On the port side I left the forward port lid loosely closed.

The lanyard tubes can also be seen, a fitting the detail devil in me couldn’t resist adding.

Telephone wire sleeving is used to represent the leather port tubes.

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Just the Bridle Ports to sort now.

 

 

B.E.

13/07/2022

Posted

beautiful model B.E.

Ilike the deck cutaways and the colorgiving

 

Nils

Current builds

-Lightship Elbe 1

Completed

- Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild

"Zeesboot"  heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB  clinker scratch build scale 1:24

Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE  ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild

Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build

Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild)
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan 

-"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96  (scratchbuild)

-"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) 

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)  original was my grandfathers ship

-"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32

under restoration / restoration finished 

"Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50

Posted
On 7/13/2022 at 12:02 PM, Blue Ensign said:

the detail devil in me couldn’t resist adding

Going for those extra details helps to turn a good model into a great model.

 

Derek

Cheers, Derek

 

Current build:   Duchess of Kingston

On hold:              HMS Winchelsea

 

Previous builds:  HMS SpeedyEnglish Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery),

                            Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!)

 

On the stocks:    18th Century Longboat

Posted

Post One Hundred and Forty.

 Bridle Ports

At this stage of the build there are lots of little tasks to attend to, bridle Port lids and lantern brackets being two of them.

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The lids were modified to display them open as per the Marshall painting.

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The Bridle ports are now complete, these lids are top hinged rather than side hinged as often shown.

 

Lantern brackets

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Apart from the central main support bracket there should be two  side brackets running from below the lantern case to the stern facia.

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It is a matter of trial and error fitting these using brass wire of 0.5mm ø .

They did prove awkward little beggars to fit.

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I didn’t really like messing with the stern at this late stage, particularly drilling holes into the relief mouldings, and the repeat handling  of lanterns and facia did require some post fit restoration.

 

I’ll now give some thought to masts.

 

 

B.E.

17/07/2022

 

 

Posted

I have to say it is all looking very very nice!

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted

Thank you Rusty, Thomas, and Chuck, the appreciation of  builders whose work I admire is much appreciated.

 

Post One Hundred and Forty-one.

 

 To mast or not to mast

 The majority of Navy board style models don’t include masts, altho’ some do have short stump representations.

 My inclination is to install  the lower masts and  Bowsprit of lengths that will fit within the case.

 

The case was pre-made for another project that my case maker had in stock but one that suited the Sphinx hull dimensions.

The Bowsprit will be left in place complete with gammoning, but the masts will not be glued so there will always be the with/without option.

 

These more than ‘stump’ masts will be dressed with the fittings that would  appear on the given lengths.

Details such as wooldings, mast bands, cheeks and Front fish, and Gammoning on the Bowsprit will be included.

 

Wood Choice

I generally prefer not to use Walnut dowel for lower masts, it may be  smooth and straight, but the only way to get that pale colour of the lower masts of British warships of the 18th century is to paint it, and I prefer not to paint masts.

 

I reserve walnut dowel  for stuff like yards, altho’ even there I prefer Boxwood Square stock for the octagonally centred lower yards, and Topmasts.

 

I avoid Lime wood dowel like the plague, longer lengths are sure to warp, and it’s hard to get a decent finish using wood stain/and or varnish.

 

My wood of choice for lower masts is Ramin, a nice pale colour  and straight.

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8mm and 6mm diameter Ramin dowel.

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Ramin can be quite difficult to source, I get mine from Mantua Models UK based in Windsor. There is a minimum order of 3x 1000mm lengths of whichever diameter is chosen.

 

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Having established the optimum lengths I can now work on the relevant attachments.

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A few minor considerations  still to be thought about such as whether to fit Hammock Cranes, but for all practical purposes the hull is now complete as regards Navy Board style display.

 

B.E.

18/07/2022

 

 

 

Posted

Post One Hundred and Forty-two

 

Creating the Masts.

With the masts cut to length the level at the partners is marked.

For those who may not know the partners for the Foremast and Mizen are at the level of the Upper deck, not at Foc’sle and Qtr deck levels.

 

This is only important if the mast is to be properly Quartered and tapered and the proportional fractions applied. Ie 1st Qtr 60/61, 2nd Qtr 14/15, 3rd Qtr 6/7.

 

The mast is also properly tapered below the deck but that need not concern us with this model.

 

Because my masts terminate just short of the hounds I have tapered close to the  dimension at that point. (7mm) This also accords with the taper at the masthead base 7mm as shown on the plan.

All the relevant points were marked on the kit plans, and transferred to the masts.

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The tapering was done on the lathe using only stiff sandpaper, with regular checking of the diameters at the quarters.

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I decided to replace the Pearwood kit cheeks with Boxwood versions that suited the  Ramin mast spindles better.

The bottom end of the Cheeks is marked on the mast spindle by reference to the plans.

 

Creating the flats on the mast sides to take the cheeks is probably the trickiest element.

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I did this by marking the cheek outline on the spindle, and masking outside of this to form the area for flattening off.

I used a combination of sanding board, scraping, and eye, to form the flat.

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The Front Fish was also replaced with a Boxwood version.

 

In the next post the mast will be completed with Wooldings and  iron straps.

 

B.E.

22/07/2022

 

Posted

Post One Hundred and Forty-three

 

Dressing the masts – Wooldings and straps

The limited mast height still allows for five wooldings, and four iron mast straps to be applied to the Main mast, and four wooldings and three straps on the Fore mast.

 

For the wooldings 2½” circ line was used to a depth of 12”. This equates to 0.31mm ø line to a depth of 5mm.

I am using Syren 0.3mm ø line for the purpose.

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The masts are taped up to define the woolding area.

 

Not included on the kit plans are the wooden hoops top and bottom of the wooldings that secure them in place.

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I used narrow strips of thin card taken from a Manilla folder to make the hoops. This was a method I successfully used on my Pegasus build way back in 2013, my previous involvement with wooldings.

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It is easy to apply, conforms to the required shape, and sticks easily using pva. It is also a near colour match to the masts.

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Slices of heat shrink tubing are used for the iron bands.

 Mizen Mast

The kit includes a spider band which I added to provide a little interest to an otherwise plain stick.

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I’m not sure it is period appropriate, and I still may remove it. Were I rigging the ship my leaning would be towards cleats at this point in history. 

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Trial fit of the masts. I quite like the look, I think I’ll keep them.

 

Moving onto the Bowsprit.

 

 

B.E.

24/07/2022

 

Posted

Thank you Thomas, much appreciated.

 

Glad to see MSW is back online, been down all day, dark memories of the great crash came into my mind.😟

On with the show,..

 

Post One Hundred and forty-four

 

Dressing the Bowsprit.

 

The most prominent and only feature on my reduced length Bowsprit is the Gammoning.

 

Steel indicates 5” circ line for ships of 20-22 guns which equates to 0.63mm ø at scale.

 I have used Syren 0.63mm rigging line.

 The kit plans indicate use of 0.75mm ø line and there is a diagram on Plan sheet 20 Rigging Plan 1.

 

I would rig this before I add impediments such as the Boomkins to the head.

 

To rig the gammoning  the position of the  gammoning cleats needs to be established.

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 To mark their position a temporary line is fed thro’ the slot with the line restrained at the aft end of the slot. The line must be vertical to the keel.

 

I found the kit provided  cleats (393)  impossibly small to handle for char removal and clean up. I found it easier to fashion the five required from some clean Boxwood section.

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The faces of the cleats are angled to meet the run of the line.

 

Bowsprit Gammoning

 It is important to ensure that enough line is taken to complete the turns and frapping. I allowed 60” to complete the job, I had 12” left over, better too much than too little.
 

Steel refers to cross turns of the frapping.

When all the turns are passed, and hove tight, they are frapped together in the middle, by as many cross turns as are passed over the bowsprit, each turn hove tight: the end of the gammoning rope is then whipt, and seized to one of the turns. The frapping increases the tension; and adds to the security acquired by the purchase.

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Starting the gammoning thro’ an eye splice on the Port side.

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The gammoning progresses, note the twist as the line passes from fore to aft with each turn.

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Well that’s the rigging done on my Sphinx, but the build is not over.

 

 

B.E.

25/07/2022

 

 

Posted

Post One Hundred and Forty-five

 

Twelve month review.

 

The final completion of Sphinx will now be put on hold whilst I attend to the ships boats.

 

A convenient point with the twelve month anniversary of the build start coming up.

 

I have worked on Sphinx  pretty much daily over this time, and it is a testament to Chris’s  design that a model of this detail and appearance can be produced in such a relatively short time.

 

I have tweaked the kit in quite a few areas to reflect my Navy Board Style version, but my Pegasus build which necessitated far more scratch adjustments, took over two years to reach this point.

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Pegasus at two year stage.

 

As a change from my usual hand held cluttered work bench shots, a tidy up, and tri-pod photo shoot to mark the twelve month stage.

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These last three shots  show the Hammock Cranes temporarily in place to help me decide if I want to fit them.

 

The contemporary Navy Board style model of the Amazon does show them, and the kit provided versions are very nicely detailed, but at this point I’m still undecided.

 

Sphinx will now be put into her case while I make the Ships boats.

 

Thank you to all who have shown interest in this build over the past year.

 

 

B.E.

26/07/2022

 

 

Posted

Really well done! All your extra touches, especially the friezes, headworks, and your deft touch on the scroll work really make this version of Sphinx stand out above all others. Consistent with your usual outstanding work your result and the well defined and detailed log you've provided will be the preeminent guide all others can follow.  Very impressive!

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: Don't know yet.
Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

Posted
5 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

A convenient point with the twelve month anniversary of the build start coming up.

 

I have worked on Sphinx  pretty much daily over this time, and it is a testament to Chris’s  design that a model of this detail and appearance can be produced in such a relatively short time.

Congratulations, B.E. Your model is a reference for everyone who decides to follow and build Vanguard's excellent kit: superbly executed details and creative solutions await future modelers, in abundance.

I'll hit my one year Sphinx (HMS Camilla) build anniversary this September. Time does seem to fly when you're having fun...

 

Ron

Director, Nautical Research Guild

Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society

Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society

 

Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner)

Completed Builds: HMS GrecianHMS Sphinx (as HMS CamillaOngakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS GodspeedHMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren

 

Posted

All I can say is fabulous work!

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted
14 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

These last three shots  show the Hammock Cranes temporarily in place to help me decide if I want to fit them

I suggest keeping the cranes but adding the safety ropes will be necessary, otherwise they may look peculiar and draw attention away from other impressive aspects of your model. You may want to consider mounting only one boat (Pinnace) should you retain the cranes. My entirely unsolicited recommendation. Whatever the final decision, I'm certain you'll decide on a complementary outcome.

 

I'll be interested to see how you choose to present your beautiful model.

 

Ron

Director, Nautical Research Guild

Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society

Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society

 

Current Build: Grace & Peace (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner)

Completed Builds: HMS GrecianHMS Sphinx (as HMS CamillaOngakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS GodspeedHMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren

 

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