captainbob Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1051 Posted July 4, 2015 Happy birthday, Mark. Bob mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1052 Posted July 4, 2015 A birthday?!?!?!? Woo Hoo!!!! Party at Marks house! Have a great day. Sam cog, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1053 Posted July 4, 2015 I think we had this conversation last year about us being a day apart, only don't remember the year - mine was '49 Hope you had as good of one as I had... GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1054 Posted July 4, 2015 Mark: there is a fairing issue at the stern here (perhaps I'm coming in on this conversation a little late). The curve should be nicely radiused, without any sudden turn. I've attached two examples here: one is a full-bodied ship, the other lean and mean. Hope this is of some help. shipmodel, newbuilder101, Salty Sea Dog and 6 others 9 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1055 Posted July 4, 2015 Happy birthday! hope your build will give a pleasure to you and us, followers mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share #1056 Posted July 4, 2015 Thanks for the wishes, my friends. Druxey, there is indeed a fairing issue. I've studying this and it looks like the low transom piece is the culprit. Giampiero pointed this out also. I've been scratching my head, double checking the plans. The only way to fix this is to rip off the last three (maybe four) strakes at that stern and re-fair. I was hoping to avoid that, but... what needs to be done, needs to be done. lb0190, CaptainSteve, Mike Y and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1057 Posted July 4, 2015 It's a tough choice, Mark ... A 'refaire' (nearly same pronunciation i.c. French ... being a multilinguist is sometimes fun) or later mebby a vs 3.0 ... GLakie and Salty Sea Dog 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateNY Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1058 Posted July 4, 2015 Hi Mark, I've been following quietly along for a while and trying to catch up on all the history of your build. Seems like today is the ideal day to say that your Licorne looks absolutely fabulous and that I especially admire your determination to do whatever it takes. Happy Birthday! Cheers, Nigel. GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1059 Posted July 4, 2015 Happy Birthday Mark....... Hope it was a good one!.......... you'll be a lot happier redoing those strakes frank GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share #1060 Posted July 4, 2015 To quote Shakespeare's King Henry V: "Once more unto the breach, dear friends," Or maybe Daniel (Dafi): "Mass Destruction!!!! hihihihi!!!!" Bottom photo is the mod to be made... I need to arc more. Planks are stripped, power sander and sanding sticks at the ready... Elmer Cornish, mikegerber, egkb and 31 others 34 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1061 Posted July 4, 2015 Ugh! I prescribe an ice cold adult beverage of choice, a comfortable chair and birthday cake while enjoying a fireworks display. Each revision brings a better result, kindly sir. Your work is amazing! Back to quiet lurking, I remain, Your ob't servant, Canute, Jack12477, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1062 Posted July 4, 2015 Sorry you had to undo and redo Mark, but it's your B-Day and I'm with Wayne on this one. Pull up a frosty and an easy-chair and enjoy the day. Jack12477, Salty Sea Dog, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1063 Posted July 4, 2015 A somewhat late birthday wish, Mark. And I hope the work you do now will preclude a Version 3. Slainte, birthday boy! GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share #1064 Posted July 4, 2015 Thanks for the birthday wishes. I'm going to avoid Version 3.0 at all costs. I'm comfortable with ripping things apart and putting them back together. As a footnote, I'll probably open a sub-log like Danny did for the ship's boats but not until the first one is nearly done. I want to try to use Chuck's method but at 1:64. There's three boats, the longboat, the cutter, and the barge. Keel's are 1/16" thick cherry, frames are 1/32" cherry, and the planking is 1/32" holly. I hope I can pull those off. It'll be a bit as I'm making the drawings (as well as for what I need for the main build) and testing on the laser cutter. IgorSky, GLakie, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted July 4, 2015 Share #1065 Posted July 4, 2015 Good on you for going ahead with the re-fairing, Mark. A brave and wise decision. John GLakie and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1066 Posted July 5, 2015 I concur with Jim. You will be glad that you revised the model now. Courage! GLakie, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1067 Posted July 5, 2015 I agree with Wayne and George - pull up a frosty one and celebrate your birthday - you're still three hours behind us here in the east lots of time left to celebrate Canute, GLakie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share #1068 Posted July 5, 2015 Lessons learned at this point on framing, fairing, and planking.... I guess I should say that it's not that I lacked the courage but more of the knowledge of deciphering the plans, supplementing them with the correct information and translating it all in my head to a course of action. And then I got side-tracked... anyway, after working through the side-track for the last 30 days, I'm re-focused and back on course. Solution.. try not to get side-tracked by new toys... think further ahead.. instead of 10 steps or 20 steps... look 100 steps. The problem stems from not fairing the aft frames as far as the Hahn frame drawing show and the lack of knowledge on my part in setting up the transom timbers. I guess I should have done a better documented ship first.... Same goes for the garboard strake.. I wasn't thinking that far ahead when I did the rabbet. I've been working through the problem and have a better result which should show when I put that strake in. Seems I didn't get the bevel quite where it should be in the aft section. Next update will be after I get everything re-faired and sorted out and the now four strakes of wide planks replaced... If you hear foul language from the west coast, ignore it.. it's just me sorting out things and venting to myself. But it will be fun. KentM, UpstateNY, JesseLee and 10 others 13 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnharv2 Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1069 Posted July 5, 2015 Mark, I think we all suffer from not planning ahea. . . d Harvey GLakie, CaptainSteve, Omega1234 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1070 Posted July 5, 2015 Happy birthday Mark!!!!! i wish you all the best and here's looking at many, many more happy ones to follow. Cheers Patrick GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1071 Posted July 5, 2015 Sounds like you've got the thought process in place. Your honest narrative gives all of us a reminder of how what we do today can impact a year down the road. Your strength is that you forge ahead with the required modifications rather than simply 'make do'. Fine work, mate. GLakie, Jack12477, Omega1234 and 6 others 9 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 5, 2015 Share #1072 Posted July 5, 2015 Mark: if you have been working from Hahn's drawings, the problem lies with his drafting, not your construction accuracy. I've noticed this issue with other Hahn models and ones built from his plans. Cold comfort for you, but.... GLakie, Erebus and Terror, Omega1234 and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share #1073 Posted July 5, 2015 It's indeed cold comfort, Druxey. I should have paid more attention when I was planning this build but I plead ignorance. I've stumbled upon several issues already and this is just one more. But... it's wood, it can be fixed. Time to go make some more sawdust..... and a template or two for symmetry. cog, GLakie, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share #1074 Posted July 6, 2015 Being the conservative builder that I am especially when it comes to major changes, I've done some serious reshaping of the transoms. I think I'm close but I'd like some other opinions. I've blue taped down some thin battens. If it looks good, I'll start bending the real wood and planking. The ends of the existing planking are not a problem. I have some fashtion pieces that cover the counter timber ends and the hull planking timber ends. SkerryAmp, popeye the sailor, newbuilder101 and 21 others 24 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 6, 2015 Share #1075 Posted July 6, 2015 Much, much improved, certainly, Mark. Perhaps even a tad more, if there is enough wood remaining to do so. You'll be glad you did this, and you'll find reinstalling the planking will be much easier. cog, GLakie, UpstateNY and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share #1076 Posted July 6, 2015 Thanks Druxey. Will do some more. Getting a bit thin but I pack from the other side if need be. And it's looking a whole lot better in the testing. CaptainSteve, UpstateNY, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyz Posted July 6, 2015 Share #1077 Posted July 6, 2015 Mark, re-doing anything is not fun, but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Not only will this look much better but you will also have peace of mind. Batten down the hatches and weather the storm. There is smooth sailing ahead. Tom Canute, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 6, 2015 Share #1078 Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) On the road again ... Mark, you said it yourself, since it's still reachable, you can add some thickness when you are taking off more than you like ... still looking solid Edited July 6, 2015 by cog mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share #1079 Posted July 6, 2015 It's all doable and it's all good... And to be very blunt, if it weren't for MSW, I would never, ever tried scratchbuilding. The help and encouragement is priceless. So a big thank you to everyone. Mike Y, wyz, GLakie and 9 others 12 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipmodel Posted July 6, 2015 Share #1080 Posted July 6, 2015 Hi Mark - Yes, much much improved. You can't go far wrong if you follow Druxey's suggestions. Your progress up the learning curve is well underway and you are going to be very happy that you took the step back before you took the next step forward. And a belated Happy Birthday. Dan wyz, GLakie, Salty Sea Dog and 3 others 6 Quote Current build -SS Mayaguez (c.1975) scale 1/16" = 1' (1:192) by Dan Pariser Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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